Re: [regext] REGEXT Interim Meeting (2018JUN05) Notes

2018-07-17 Thread Pieter Vandepitte
Hi Roger, Thanks for taking the time to answer my question. I try to convince myself using client validation / UX argumentation. The most common user journey we experience – but maybe that’s not a typical user journey for all TLDs? – is: 1. A candidate Registrant visits the Registrar websit

Re: [regext] REGEXT Interim Meeting (2018JUN05) Notes

2018-07-17 Thread Roger D Carney
Good Morning, Thanks Pieter. I think the real goal of Validate is improved customer experience. I don’t think wrapping this in a transaction helps as the error identification is still occurring to late in the process. There are quite a few steps in the registration process but today one of the

Re: [regext] Poll messages with unhandled namespaces (was Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-regext-change-poll-07.txt)

2018-07-17 Thread Martin Casanova
Ulrich I am impressed by your process of checking who tested and who did not and actively contact those who did not test. We did something like that as well when we turned off TLS1.0 so I agree to this procedure for some cases. It kind of confirms my statement that a technical change needs lon

[regext] Milestones changed for regext WG

2018-07-17 Thread IETF Secretariat
Changed milestone "Submit for publication "Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) Object Tagging"", resolved as "Done". URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/regext/about/ ___ regext mailing list regext@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/re

Re: [regext] Tidbits after monday meeting, related to registry mapping extension => IPR

2018-07-17 Thread Hollenbeck, Scott
> -Original Message- > From: regext On Behalf Of Patrick Mevzek > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 3:37 AM > To: regext@ietf.org > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [regext] Tidbits after monday meeting, related to > registry mapping extension => IPR > > I discovered this myself just before the meeting

Re: [regext] Poll messages with unhandled namespaces (was Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-regext-change-poll-07.txt)

2018-07-17 Thread Ulrich Wisser
Martin, if I understand you right, the problem is ignorant registrars. And the solution is to make it easier for them to stay ignorant. I am convinced that this is not the best way to go. Clear communication with registrars and all internal departments sounds more feasible. We deploy these change

Re: [regext] Tidbits after monday meeting, related to registry mapping extension

2018-07-17 Thread Gould, James
Patrick, Thank you for your detailed feedback. We'll take a look at your following messages. I believe the goal of the Registry Mapping is to hit on the most common use cases and leave exceptional cases up to extensions (the 80/20 or 90/10 rule). If there is a crosscutting policy being appli

Re: [regext] Poll messages with unhandled namespaces (was Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-regext-change-poll-07.txt)

2018-07-17 Thread Martin Casanova
Hi Ulrich We do have contracts yes. However experience shows us that some registrars just don't have the necessary technical skills or means to react on any changes we ask them to implement. To pull a change through, long dead lines must be granted and even after that, only a part of them actu

Re: [regext] Tidbits after monday meeting, related to registry mapping extension => HOST

2018-07-17 Thread Patrick Mevzek
* some registries allow, in domain:create, either attributes or objects for host. One might say this is against the core EPP specification, so do we want to treat it? * some registries do not allow all possible values for IP addresses. For example one is saying that it will refuse any IP provid

Re: [regext] Tidbits after monday meeting, related to registry mapping extension => CONTACT

2018-07-17 Thread Patrick Mevzek
* int/loc The current 4 values in the draft (loc, int, locOrInt, locAndInt) should be replaced by 3 independant booleans: loc = loc only int = int only locAndInt = loc+int only With combinations, that will makes us available to encode all cases I think: - wide registries accepting every case (so

Re: [regext] Tidbits after monday meeting, related to registry mapping extension => DOMAIN

2018-07-17 Thread Patrick Mevzek
* contacts, the extension has: : Zero or more elements that defines the minimum and maximum number of contacts by contact type. This will not cover all cases, like those: - admin contact is optional and falls back to registrant - since you allow for custom type (and I disa

Re: [regext] Tidbits after monday meeting, related to registry mapping extension => RFC5730

2018-07-17 Thread Patrick Mevzek
Specific points related to RFC5730: * clTRID is optional; but some registries make it mandatory * some registries do not allow some commands, like contact:transfer being not implemented (this is very frequent) or even sometimes contact:check (especially if registrars do not control their IDs), o

Re: [regext] Tidbits after monday meeting, related to registry mapping extension => IPR

2018-07-17 Thread Patrick Mevzek
I discovered this myself just before the meeting when preparing it but Scott also clearly mentioned it during the meeting (thanks for that): there is currently an IPR on this extension, with the case of "details will be provided later". You may recall that we were in a similar case for the key

[regext] Tidbits after monday meeting, related to registry mapping extension

2018-07-17 Thread Patrick Mevzek
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-gould-carney-regext-registry Multiple subjects were covered and I had to input some data, so I will be doing different topics by replying to this email so that they are threaded together. You may wish to read all of them for context before replying to