Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-29 Thread Chris Abbey
At 06:35 3/1/00 +0800, John Summerfield wrote: [... somehow I got left out ... John's repying to me, not Mike] >> At 19:41 2/28/00 -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: >> >priority IMHO. Even experienced users will assume that something >> >has went wrong if there are no visual cues indicating >> >> exp

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-29 Thread John Summerfield
> At 19:41 2/28/00 -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >priority IMHO. Even experienced users will assume that something > >has went wrong if there are no visual cues indicating > > experienced users will alt-pf2 to get to a prompt and run ps or There are usually not so many of those things around a

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-29 Thread Jeremy Katz
[ Tuesday, February 29 2000 ] had Ivan Jager saying: > BTW, I've allways done ftp installs and I don't see what is so graphical > about the graphical install. Is it just because I do an ftp install? Yes, the GUI installer is only used by NFS and CDROM installs (possibly hard drive now, not sure)

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-29 Thread Ivan Jager
JF Martinez wrote: > > > > > At 19:41 2/28/00 -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > >priority IMHO. Even experienced users will assume that something > > >has went wrong if there are no visual cues indicating > > > > experienced users will alt-pf2 to get to a prompt and run ps or > > somehting to see

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread JF Martinez
> > At 19:41 2/28/00 -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >priority IMHO. Even experienced users will assume that something > >has went wrong if there are no visual cues indicating > > experienced users will alt-pf2 to get to a prompt and run ps or > somehting to see what the heck is happening before

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread Chris Abbey
At 19:41 2/28/00 -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: >priority IMHO. Even experienced users will assume that something >has went wrong if there are no visual cues indicating experienced users will alt-pf2 to get to a prompt and run ps or somehting to see what the heck is happening before hitting the po

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Tue, 29 Feb 2000, JF Martinez wrote: >> > If you want to keep RedHat usable by 486s you have to keep a low >> > weight GUI and rewrite in C some parts of the install. >> >> How does a long install affect the usability of the system? You only >> have to do it once! >> > >When you see a scree

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread JF Martinez
> > On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 12:34:07AM +0100, JF Martinez wrote: > > If you want to keep RedHat usable by 486s you have to keep a low > > weight GUI and rewrite in C some parts of the install. > > The CPU intensive parts _ARE_ in C. RPM is just doing much much more > in its transaction set proc

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread JF Martinez
> > JF Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If you want to keep RedHat usable by 486s you have to keep a low > > weight GUI and rewrite in C some parts of the install. > > How does a long install affect the usability of the system? You only > have to do it once! > When you see a screen

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread Alan Shutko
JF Martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you want to keep RedHat usable by 486s you have to keep a low > weight GUI and rewrite in C some parts of the install. How does a long install affect the usability of the system? You only have to do it once! -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread Matt Wilson
On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 12:34:07AM +0100, JF Martinez wrote: > If you want to keep RedHat usable by 486s you have to keep a low > weight GUI and rewrite in C some parts of the install. The CPU intensive parts _ARE_ in C. RPM is just doing much much more in its transaction set processing than it

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread Alan Cox
> RH 6.2 beta it spent about ten minutes in the 'Preparing to install' > screen and this was on a Cyrix 166+ who is supposed to have about > three times the horsepower of a 486 DX2 66. That would have meant 30 > minutes on a 486. Quite simply unbearable. A text mode install took about 2 hours

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread JF Martinez
> > On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, JF Martinez wrote: > > > If RedHat pushes towards resource hungry User interfaces like > > Gnome/KDE and installations in Python who are looong (at least the > > update was) on a Cyrix 686 at 133 Mhz (rated like a 166+) it seems > > there is little reason to continue

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, JF Martinez wrote: >If RedHat pushes towards resource hungry User interfaces like >Gnome/KDE and installations in Python who are looong (at least the >update was) on a Cyrix 686 at 133 Mhz (rated like a 166+) it seems >there is little reason to continue using the -m486 fl

Re: Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, JF Martinez wrote: > If RedHat pushes towards resource hungry User interfaces like > Gnome/KDE and installations in Python who are looong (at least the > update was) on a Cyrix 686 at 133 Mhz (rated like a 166+) it seems > there is little reason to continue using the -m48

Old Cpus and RedHat

2000-02-28 Thread JF Martinez
If RedHat pushes towards resource hungry User interfaces like Gnome/KDE and installations in Python who are looong (at least the update was) on a Cyrix 686 at 133 Mhz (rated like a 166+) it seems there is little reason to continue using the -m486 flag for compiling since 486s seem far too und