Re: [RE-wrenches] AL wire with DC

2010-07-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
Dana, Thanks for the input. Excuse me please, "OG jobs" are? If the wire had been copper and didn't melt, but instead continued to arc, would the resultant heat have eventually started a fire? What type of splice was it? Does no one else use Al for DC? Here in rocky Vermont/NH, we use the same

Re: [RE-wrenches] AL wire with DC

2010-07-27 Thread Richard L Ratico
The insulation on Al cable rated for direct burial is thick and tough. But, DON'T direct bury it. Carefully pull it into correctly installed PVC conduit. Use marker tape above the conduit, just below grade. If you're in an area that doesn't experience ground frost, MAYBE, VERY CAREFULLY, plant the

Re: [RE-wrenches] White Paper on on the affects of a "snow, melt, refreeze process" (no pun intended)

2010-08-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
Lee, In Maryland? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Wrenches, Has anybody come across an analysis of the potential damage to a flat roof from snow on solar modules melting to form an ice layer on the roof and then forming subsequent layers as more snow melts or slid

Re: [RE-wrenches] Advice needed on upsizing a battery & grid interactive inverter stack

2010-08-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
Mick, SMA has something: http://www.sma.de/en/products/off-grid-inverters/smart-load.html Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Step three is most intimidating to me: We need a way to control 240 volt AC heating elements in a fine pulse width modulated PWM fashion, to prote

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aluminum conduit LBs

2010-08-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
Marco, Here's a link to some info from Thomas & Betts. The table you're looking for is at the bottom of the PDF. http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums//us_lc_fittings/gm102_62_67_lc1.pdf Or, call the electrical distributer you use. They may handle a different brand. Dick Ratico Solarwind Elect

Re: [RE-wrenches] Voltage discrepancy

2010-08-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Drake, --- You wrote: I called her back just now, and the voltage readings on the Mate, MX and Trimetric all match. Humm. The batteries are 4, 4 1/2 year old, U.S. Battery L-16s wired in 24 volt configuration. It seems that I remember postings of Wrenches having problems with these batteries

Re: [RE-wrenches] Aluminum conduit LBs

2010-08-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Marco, --- You wrote: I looked at the Thomas and Betts spec sheet kindly supplied by Ratico on their LB offerings and there was no notation of max conductor sizes that I could find. --- end of quote --- Look again. http://tnblnx3.tnb.com/emAlbum/albums//us_lc_fittings/gm102_62_67_lc1.pdf It's

Re: [RE-wrenches] useful info on wire color coding

2010-08-22 Thread Richard L Ratico
Marco, If I understand your question, not sure I do, my answer is, there is no requirement for such a relationship. Repeat to yourself, what Darryl said: Always check rotation either with a rotation meter or with a motor by bumping the motor to check its rotation. Dick says, ..Pay absolutely

Re: [RE-wrenches] Copper vs. Aluminum Conductors

2010-08-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
Most Esteemed Wrenches, Peak Copper? Please read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_copper http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bauxite http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/23/miners-trapped-alive-chile There's a copper Superfund site 30 miles from my home here in VT. Let's use our resources wise

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter for fire protection pump

2010-08-29 Thread Richard L Ratico
Maybe another possibility if the generator is a non-starter: 1) Sealed Batteries (no maintainance) appropriately sized for the running load only, no motor starting surge 2) Single Sunny Island 5048 inverter (the most reliable IMHO) 3) 6 kVA autotransformer (boosts SI output to 240V) 4) 240V single

Re: [RE-wrenches] phase issues with SB8000US

2010-08-31 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Nik, Some questions: Is this a 3 phase service? Details on the UPS; brand, kVA, age? Breaker sizes for the circuit(s) supplying the UPS and fan? Details on the air conditioning system and fan. Are they powered through the UPS? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Wrenchers, We i

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC to AC syncrhonizer for hydro plant.

2010-09-02 Thread Richard L Ratico
Jeremy, Not sure if this would work. but How about feeding the hydro output into a large industrial battery charger or chargers. They are available in three phase. Modify the charger by eliminating the stepdown transformer. Basically what you need is a rectifier. Then feed the resulting D

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Backup set

2010-09-03 Thread Richard L Ratico
Have you called SMA directly? SMA has other neat stuff that's only available outside the US. Apparently they don't think there's enough demand here to go through the listing process. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Wrenches, A SMA CD with their 2009-2010 product guide has a Sunny B

Re: [RE-wrenches] GEC for Enphase inverters

2010-09-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Brian, A GEC with no splices, or only irreversable splices, has only two ends. If you need to find them to check their integrity, you know where to look. No argument about acorn clamps. Exothermic welding might someday be required. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Inspectors in Ariz

Re: [RE-wrenches] RE-wrenches Digest, Vol 3, Issue 566

2010-10-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hey Richard Dean, Matt's post has a lot more tech in it than yours, which has zero. This list already has a moderator, and a great one at that. I look forward to every post of Matt's. He is exceedingly generous with his knowledge, time, wisdom and wit. If you don't like it, don't read it. Shs

Re: [RE-wrenches] The perfect solar ready roof

2010-10-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
Chris, You've probably already considered and rejected this... Unisolar PVL modules on standing seam roofing. Solves the structure & wind problems. Goes fast if installed on the pans before they go on the roof. Price is pretty good per watt now. Can't beat the look. Made in USA. I think the only d

Re: [RE-wrenches] The perfect solar ready roof

2010-10-21 Thread Richard L Ratico
Chris, You most likely recall, there was a thread here discussing special standing seam attachment details required with the S-5 product. With your weather, those might be critical for the roofers to follow, should you go that route. I was unaware of the white spotting from hail you've seen on th

Re: [RE-wrenches] The perfect solar ready roof

2010-10-22 Thread Richard L Ratico
Phil's post is right on. What is the rafter spacing, 16", 24"? Is it really half inch plywood? What does the grade stamp say? Half inch maybe works in western Washington, maybe not in Montana or Vermont. Add point loads to 1/2 inch from the PV? I don't think so. Block under the plywood with 2x6

Re: [RE-wrenches] backfeeding "six disconnect" panel

2010-11-02 Thread Richard L Ratico
If I remember correctly, we worked through this in 2008. A supply side connection is NOT considered a separate service. And, seven disconnects is one more than six, and is NOT code compliant. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: I've made similar observations as Matt before about adding

Re: [RE-wrenches] eternabond or epdm?

2010-11-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Mark, Having learned of Eternabond on this list, we've since used the doublestick version on two, raised rib type metal roofs. Of course, it's way too early to tell how it will perform over time, but we were quite impressed during installation. It's ferociously sticky. You'll want to place

Re: [RE-wrenches] outdoor disconnects on multiple buildings

2010-11-21 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Kirk, See 2008 NEC 225.30 thru 225.40. As I understand it, separate disconnects, up to six for each array, located on the main building, are required and appropriate. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Hello, I'm working on a system which will have 5 kw on an outbuilding and 20k

Re: [RE-wrenches] Data System Puzzle

2011-02-03 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Vince, I don't know anything about Energy Recommerce, but a search of their website did not result in finding an installation manual for their combiner box, only a datasheet. You stated countless hours were spent on the phone with their technicians. If it was my job, at this point, I would want

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum MMS inverter / Honda 3000i charger problems

2011-07-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
Dan, I'm confused. You wrote: "I'm measuring 125vac RMS off the honda 3000i, Hz is around 2.2khz (ripple I assumenot a fancy DC clamp meter, Tenma, as it can be dunked in the river at any time during transport -- 2 mile canoe trip, then 4 mile backpack trip to the site, after the 150 mile

Re: [RE-wrenches] Responses Welcomed!: 230/400 50Hz in the U.S Off-grid?

2011-08-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Jeff, Perhaps of some help, from the SMA German website: http://files.sma.de/dl/5615/INSELNETZ-PL-UEN105010.pdf Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Thanks for the input! Was nice to see you at Intersolar. WELL This is the Bahamas so it's the Canadian Code. So let's say everythi

Re: [RE-wrenches] ground

2011-09-30 Thread Richard L Ratico
As Dan points out, 250.52(A)(3) specifies several installation requirements in order for a concrete encased electode to qualify as a permitted Grounding Electrode. A pole mount foundation would certainly qualify if it met those requirements. Even if the requirements are not met, IMHO, any opportun

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low-power consuming LEDs

2011-10-26 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Joel, I've done business with these folks. Good products and fast service. They probably have everything you need. http://ledsupply.com/ Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Wrenches, Who is a good supplier of low-power consuming individual LEDs. Thank you very much f

Re: [RE-wrenches] Low-power consuming LEDs

2011-10-26 Thread Richard L Ratico
And here's a terrific resource for anyone interested in DIY LED projects: http://forums.mtbr.com/lights-diy-do-yourself/ Dick --- You wrote: Hi Joel, I've done business with these folks. Good products and fast service. They probably have everything you need. http://ledsupply.com/ Dick Ratico

Re: [RE-wrenches] High Voltage MPPT units

2011-11-08 Thread Richard L Ratico
I may be missing something here.. but, for a manual switching solution, why not use two standard 600V DC discos. Put the PV to the top of both, load side of one goes to the battery inverter, load side of the other to the grid tied inverter. Turn one off, turn the other one on. Not as elegant as

Re: [RE-wrenches] SW4048 & AC Coupling

2011-11-16 Thread Richard L Ratico
Fellow Wrenches, I would welcome some feedback on this one: I may be "adopting" an eleven year old, Y2K, grid tie with battery back-up system. It consists of 12 - Astro-Power 120 modules, installed in 2000, 12 - Evergreen EC-110 modules installed in 2004, only one MX60, which controls BOTH sub-a

Re: [RE-wrenches] intermittent battery problem; ...Battery Sulfation

2011-11-17 Thread Richard L Ratico
Todd, I asked Surrette about their lead calcium batteries this morning, right after reading your post. Here's their reply: I'm afraid our flooded calcium line is not yet available. Product testing went very well but at this time our present high demand for our other product lines has prevented u

Re: [RE-wrenches] Code reviewer issue with array disconenct location

2011-11-17 Thread Richard L Ratico
You might reply, that while it certainly is the case that a CODE REQUIRED disconnect be readily accessable for obvious safety reasons, a disconnect that is not required by Code, but is installed anyway for maintainance purposes, need not be. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric _

[RE-wrenches] Convert Grid Tie SW4048 to Backup System; Add New Inverter, AC Coupled

2011-11-17 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Wrenches, This is a repost. No replies the first time, so I'm trying one last time. I may be "adopting" an eleven year old, Y2K, grid tie with battery back-up system. It consists of 12 - Astro-Power 120 modules, installed in 2000, 12 - Evergreen EC-110 modules installed in 2004, only one MX60

Re: [RE-wrenches] Convert Grid Tie SW4048 to Backup System; Add New Inverter, AC Coupled

2011-11-18 Thread Richard L Ratico
ed a genny as back up anyway for long power outages during storms, so get a natural gas/propane unit as back up instead of batteries. > > OK you asked, > > jay > > peltz power > On Nov 17, 2011, at 4:03 PM, Richard L Ratico wrote: > >> Hi Wrenches, >> >> T

Re: [RE-wrenches] Liability

2011-11-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
Mac, You have already received great advice, different strokes for different folks. Three things I would add: Accepting an offgrid customer is a bit like getting married. It is a long term commitment. You want it to be a happy one. What does that mean to you? In my experience it is prudent to ex

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out Back FM-80 Problem

2009-04-28 Thread Richard L Ratico
Dave, We haven't seen this particular problem with the FM80, but we've had others. Specifically, we've seen the "locking up" Howie reported. The customer is now on their third unit (firmware version 001.009.017). This one puts out 90 amps occasionally. I don't think it's supposed to do that. As I

Re: [RE-wrenches] To Megger or not to Megger

2009-04-28 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bill and Matt, Meggering is hard on insulation. It may, or may not, be hard or harder on PV cells that is the question. Could you guys please elaborate on that? Dick Solarwind Electric P.S. Bill, your recent class here in Vermont was great. Thanks. ---Bill Brooks wrote: Just to add punct

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target Fire

2009-05-05 Thread Richard L Ratico
Kent, I looked at the photo of that expansion coupling and initially thought, "That'll work". But if the conduit was RMC OR IMC all the joints would have been THREADED into couplings, and even if by mistake they were not wrench tight, they would not have pulled apart. Even if strapped too tig

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV Fire

2009-05-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Bob, In this case it probably has to be a "bandit". I don't believe 600V DC breakers are available yet. Dick --- You wrote: The DC disco coming off the PV breaker box might be a good idea. With this case showing that. We know that we can open the box and kill all the breakers but few others

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target Fire

2009-05-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
er notice if an expansion joint wouldn't work? And then not use it. it just wouldn't make any sense to install it in if it didn't work. Kent Richard L Ratico wrote: Kent, I looked at the photo of that expansion coupling and initially thought, "That'll work". But

Re: [RE-wrenches] CHP Generator

2009-05-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
Orion, Check this out: www.freewatt.com/ Made in the USA. It's for real. Honda makes the genset part of it. Might work well offgrid in an AC coupled system. Relatively new. Might not be available in your area yet. Dick Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Does anyone have any experience with

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island 5048 & Enphase

2009-05-15 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi All, Has anyone tried this combination offgrid? Dick Solarwind Electric ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.o

Re: [RE-wrenches] squirrel problems

2009-05-19 Thread Richard L Ratico
In certain parts of the US, "chipmunks", the ones with stripes (they sing, remember Alvin?), are referred to as "ground squirrels". In other areas, "ground squirrels" are known as "chipmunks". In this part of VT, there are "grey squirrels", "red squirrels", "chipmunks", "ground squirrels, "deer mi

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupled relay

2009-06-04 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, Could you please provide more information, array size, inverter make / model, conductor size, breaker rating, breaker brand? Dick Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: If I'm following this thread correctly, the relay is to break the flow of AC current to the battery ba

Re: [RE-wrenches] FW: 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-04 Thread Richard L Ratico
Kelly, If I understand your situation, the AHJ is allowing you to use the existing grounding electrode/s as the (new for 2008) required array electrode, rather than adding an additional electrode closer to the array. He does want an additional GROUNDING ELECTRODE CONDUCTOR, sized appropriatel

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupled relay

2009-06-04 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, I'm sending you some attachments off list as well. They are Sunny Boy Specs from the SMA Installation Manuals, which are more complete than those on the SMA data sheets. Note, the Maximum Output Fault Current for the 3000 & 4000 is 30 amps, while Maximum Overcurrent Protection is 30 A

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupled relay

2009-06-05 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, Up to now, like you, we've been using the SMA DATA SHEETS (the glitzy ones with the color graphics) to size our wiring and breakers. But, those sheets make no mention of a MAXIMUM OUTPUT FAULT CURRENT. MAXIMUM OUTPUT FAULT CURRENT is specified only in the very last pages of the inst

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-05 Thread Richard L Ratico
Kelly, I always install a grounding electrode at the array. I always run a continuous (not spliced), properly sized, or oversize (usually #4), bare, copper conductor from the array modules and frame, to that electrode, then continue it, direct buried, to all of the other grounding electrodes i

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.47D (revisited)

2009-06-07 Thread Richard L Ratico
e AJH, if any. Mark Frye Berkeley Solar Electric Systems 303 Redbud Way Nevada City, CA 95959 (530) 401-8024 www.berkeleysolar.com -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Richard L Ratico Sent: Frida

Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator

2009-06-10 Thread Richard L Ratico
Ian, I like Kohler too, but, last time I checked, you needed at least the 15KW model to get an enclosure, 1800 rpms and an onboard alternator. The Backwoods Solar Catalog recommends the Kohler 10ERG. It may not be available with an enclosure. According to them, it's classified as mobile, so,

Re: [RE-wrenches] DR>FX Compatibility Problem

2009-06-14 Thread Richard L Ratico
Allan, She may be habitually overloading the washer with clothes, pushing it towards a locked rotor situation. According to NEC Table 430.251(A), the locked rotor current for a 1/2 horsepower motor is 58.8 amps, or 7056 watts. The new Outback FX2524T will surge to 4800 watts, while her old DR242

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surge protector update?

2009-08-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
Weighing in ... 1)At a recent SMA Inverter Training, we were cautioned that the Deltas were not UL listed. Like many of us, I was already well aware of that. What was interesting, was the trainer specifically recommending we NOT use them, for reasons related to liability. 2)At a different traini

Re: [RE-wrenches] down-sizing main breaker

2009-08-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bruce, This sounds like a good situation for a line side tap, rather than going to all the work of replacing the panel. Turn off main breaker at the pedestal, no need to touch the meter. At the house, pull the feeder out of the panel. Put it into a proper new junction box. Splice one set of ne

Re: [RE-wrenches] down-sizing main breaker

2009-08-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Nick, I may not be entirely clear on your situation, but I interpret 690.64(B)(2), literally or otherwise, as meaning a busbar, or a conductor used in the SAME WAY as a busbar, rather than as a feeder. By that, I mean the conductor would have the solar breaker's energy tapped into it in such a

Re: [RE-wrenches] down-sizing main breaker

2009-08-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, I stand corrected. Thank you. This is not a supply side tap. I should have said it was a tap on the supply side of the panelboard main breaker. That said , I think it works and meets code, provided the conductors spliced to the feeder are properly sized. The panelboard busbar is protect

Re: [RE-wrenches] down-sizing main breaker

2009-08-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, I don't know if I've solved Brian's dilemma yet either. But, with regard to your example below, if the 100 amp meter main is accepting 20 amps, or even all of the 50 amps of PV, that would mean that the house, at that moment, presented no load at all, and that all the PV would be backfeed

Re: [RE-wrenches] down-sizing main breaker

2009-08-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
Brian, William & Allan, Perhaps I've misunderstand the specific distribution equipment involved. I have assumed the main SERVICE consisted of a meter and single, 100 amp main breaker, as a combo unit or as separate enclosures, but with no busbar provision for additional breakers there at the pedes

Re: [RE-wrenches] down-sizing main breaker

2009-08-02 Thread Richard L Ratico
Wlliam, If there were to be a short circuit in the feeder or the main service panel ( the one with no extra breaker spaces ), the solar's maximum 50 amp contribution would be about the last thing to be concerned about. A short is going to result in perhaps 1000s of amps coming from the grid into t

Re: [RE-wrenches] down-sizing main breaker

2009-08-02 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, You may well find inspectors and others who will agree with you on this. I remain firmly unconvinced. Yes, the code may be taken literally. . . . .and also, sometimes, be taken out of context. I believe you are doing that here. It is impossible to use words in such an airtight manner that

Re: [RE-wrenches] Great service at the wholesale level?

2009-10-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
We've been well served by both DC Power Systems and AEE. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
I believe the Sunny Island 5048 can be configured to remain "online" with up to three cell failures. (Page 90, Sunny Island Manual). Of course, it is a 48 volt inverter. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: I used to think that one string was optimal; until I had a single cell failure ta

Re: [RE-wrenches] Strings and series of batteries

2009-12-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
Perhaps off topic, it's been said here previously by others, but is worth repeating, good old Vaseline, coating all exposed metal surfaces at battery terminals, totally eliminates the corrosion issue. It's benign, inexpensive and available everywhere. Dick Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Yes,

Re: [RE-wrenches] concord batteries, EQUALIZE Them!

2009-12-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
SMA specifically says they can go to 42V. This is a link to the SI5048 Installation and Instruction Manual: http://download.sma.de/smaprosa/dateien/7995/SI5048U-TUS091012.pdf It is a 6 Meg. file. See page 92. Vaseline & lead. I have observed what may be lead oxide on battery terminals. It's grey

Re: [RE-wrenches] Strings and series of batteries

2009-12-02 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bob Ellison is in Northern New York. I'm in Vermont. We usually have to thaw the Vaseline over the woodstove. Makes great hair gel too. Don't bother with the gloves. If we mix in a little maple syrup it sticks wicked. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Yes, I hate Vaseline - it has a m

Re: [RE-wrenches] Nec 225

2009-12-11 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, No direct specific experience with this, but, respectfully, what is the problem? The code sections seem clear and not unreasonable nor arduous. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Friends: I just received a plan correction for a grid-tie permit application wherein the ins

Re: [RE-wrenches] Nec 225

2009-12-11 Thread Richard L Ratico
back. It may be some kind of power trip as we have been at odds over many issues. I will report back. William Miller Millersolar.com On Dec 11, 2009, at 6:05 PM, richard.l.rat...@valley.net (Richard L Ratico) wrote: > William, > > No direct specific experience with this, but, re

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery 'Automatic'' Watering

2009-12-11 Thread Richard L Ratico
Fellow Wizards, We've found enema / douche bags, also known as "combination bottles" to be "effective" in this application. They come with an valve / shutoff that's simple and works great. It's a good test of a client's willingness to accept reasonable suggestions to see if they've got one the nex

Re: [RE-wrenches] Nec 225

2009-12-18 Thread Richard L Ratico
st do that? > >Dick > > > >--- You wrote: >Dick: > >I too am mystifed. I sent a request for clarification but have not >heard back. It may be some kind of power trip as we have been at odds >over many issues. I will report back. > >William Miller >Mill

Re: [RE-wrenches] 690.31E (through a building)

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
An inspector can bump absolutely anything. That doesn't mean they've correctly interpreted the code or made a decision that increases electrical safety, only that they have the authority to call it anyway they like. What constitutes a long DC circuit in a building? Ten feet, fifty feet? What if it

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, Not sure I understand how buried PV runs protected by touchsafe fuses in combiner boxes at the array and GFCI protection at the inverters constitute a fire hazard. That's not saying I disagree with your disconnect here. I don't. If it was a 1kW system, would you still install one? I would

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC disconnect placement

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, It is common in our area to install underground, unfused, transformer secondary laterals. The utilities require 3 feet of cover and marker tape located 12" below grade. I can't find a requirement for marker tape in the NEC. That's not a reason not to use it. It's inexpensive & available

Re: [RE-wrenches] low voltage disconnect

2009-12-20 Thread Richard L Ratico
Lee, The Sunny Island will shut down entirely to protect the batteries. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Wrenches. I have a customer with a stand-alone system with an XW inverter, XW controller, pole mounted array of four 235-watt panels, and 4 of the 8D gel batterie

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Automatic Watering

2009-12-21 Thread Richard L Ratico
Amen. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: All, I'm a little late on this thread, but wanted to give some contrary experience. We have, maybe, 15 BFS watering systems out there, dating back 5 to 6 years. Although I've experienced some issues in getting watering systems set up properly, o

Re: [RE-wrenches] dual stacked inverters on 208V service

2009-12-31 Thread Richard L Ratico
Nik, I haven't run into this myself, but... I think what you have is not really split phase, but two phases, out of the three available, from the three phase system in the main building. If that is the case, those legs/phases are 120 electrical degrees apart, rather than the 180 degrees you would

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter causing migraine?

2010-02-04 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Ron, One of our clients claims to be "sensitive" to exposure to EMR. I was initially sceptical, but have come to believe that considerable variation exists in the way individuals react. In our case the objection was to a wireless modem. Sensitivity to high frequency audio is likewise variable

Re: [RE-wrenches] Peel-n-stick Uni-Solar: were these ever made in 5' length?

2010-03-22 Thread Richard L Ratico
Huh? DC Power Systems stocks "peel and stick" Unisolar in 4 lengths, from 9' to 18'. Under $3.00/W. Great product. Performs well. Requires a standing seam metal roof. Best look available in solar IMHO. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: The US-64's were on their site for 3

Re: [RE-wrenches] Supply Side Tap Overcurrent Protection

2010-04-01 Thread Richard L Ratico
Seconded! AMEN. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Steven, A Line Side Tap, by nature, allows us 100% of the Service Entrance Conductor Ampacity. This typically ~equals Main Breaker rating, but is regardless of the Main Breaker rating or size of Loads, it's about the conductor. NEC

Re: [RE-wrenches] DC wire sizing

2010-04-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
IMHO it seems like we're all really on the same page here.. trying to make the the most out of the the resources we have available to work with..sun hours, pv, copper, labor, dollars, etc. Job specifics come into play. There are definitely times when a detailed cost/ benefit analysis is cal

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-tie Sunny Island

2010-04-11 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Dave, Depending on the house loads, you might very well do without an additional (very expensive) auto transfer switch. The inverters, of course, already have one. Just leave the Sunny Islands connected 24/7. The transfer from grid to battery is then milliseconds and flawless. The 56 amps cont

Re: [RE-wrenches] Taping Splices/Tees

2010-04-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
Peter, May be mistaken, but I don't think "Tape" is mentioned specifically anywhere in the code. What kind of splices do you have in mind? Not wirenuts I hope? One of my pet peeves, sorry. I don't have my 2008 Codebook handy. 2005 NEC Article 110.14(B) requires, "All splices and joints and the fr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Taping Splices/Tees

2010-04-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
predicted, while resistance across connections was higher. R. Walters r...@solarray.com Solar Engineer On Apr 25, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Richard L Ratico wrote: > Peter, > > May be mistaken, but I don't think "Tape" is mentioned specifically anywhere in > the code. Wha

Re: [RE-wrenches] Taping Splices/Tees

2010-04-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
0, at 6:02 AM, Richard L Ratico wrote: > Peter, > > May be mistaken, but I don't think "Tape" is mentioned specifically anywhere in > the code. What kind of splices do you have in mind? Not wirenuts I hope? One of > my pet peeves, sorry. > > I don't hav

Re: [RE-wrenches] low voltage modules in high voltage applications

2010-04-27 Thread Richard L Ratico
I second Mike's suggestion for sunglasses on startup. Wait, better go for welding helmets. Those DC arcs are bright. And I bet they didn't use listed electrical tape either! :-) Thanks for sharing this one. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Typically those types of modules a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lags & Trusses

2010-04-27 Thread Richard L Ratico
Wow, this could be a hairball. Needless to say, we've all probably already done this, more than a few times. Butas a former carpenter though claiming no expert truss knowledge, my sense is that the top chord of the trusses should be in compression. Therefore, a 3/8" diameter lag, for instan

Re: [RE-wrenches] low voltage modules in high voltage applications

2010-04-27 Thread Richard L Ratico
Just thinking out loud here.if we all sort of sit back and wait for the flames, is that where we really want to be? Granted, the party responsible for this debacle has dug their own hole, but I don't relish the thought of the waste of a building, the danger involved in fighting a fire, the poll

Re: [RE-wrenches] bare tinned solid copper

2010-05-06 Thread Richard L Ratico
My $0.02: I like the idea of bonding all the electrodes with direct buried bare copper. I always do it, typically with #4. I would use #2 if it were not so much more expensive. These are residential jobs. If I had large job, like the subject of this thread, no problem with the #2. If you only have

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformer inrush

2010-05-12 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bill, Your branch circuit breaker is pretty small. Are you energizing both transformers simultaneously? If so, it might help to energize them individually. The branch breaker can be up to 250% of the step up transformer's primary rating. 10kVA/240V=41A. 41A x 2.5=100A. (round numbers). To do this

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformer inrush

2010-05-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
tching I might have better luck. William Miller At 06:23 PM 5/12/2010, Richard L Ratico wrote: >Bill, >Your branch circuit breaker is pretty small. >Are you energizing both transformers simultaneously? If so, it might help to >energize them individually. > >The branch breaker

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformer inrush

2010-05-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
buffering... I wonder if I use a large solid state relay with zero crossing switching I might have better luck. William Miller At 06:23 PM 5/12/2010, Richard L Ratico wrote: >Bill, >Your branch circuit breaker is pretty small. >Are you energizing both transformers simultaneously?

Re: [RE-wrenches] Transformer inrush

2010-05-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
ip in the input power result in another big surge requirement? Mick Abraham, Proprietor www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 2010/5/13 Richard L Ratico > Sorry for the additional post here, but it includes a typo correction: > > Bill, > > Not a lot of personal experience with

Re: [RE-wrenches] Need 5 kW 110VAC/50Hz inverter

2010-05-24 Thread Richard L Ratico
Fronius 50 Hz unit with a stepdown transformer? Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Wrenches, I need a 5 kW grid-tie inverter with 110VAC/50Hz output for a job in the Caribbean. SMA 50Hz inverters are sold out for the rest of the year. Suggestions please? Best regards, Joe

Re: [RE-wrenches] 230W 48V Module

2010-06-25 Thread Richard L Ratico
Jason, Schott's large module series might work for you. 280W to 320W though. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Can anyone help me find a 230W 48V module mfr/model? I am trying to meet a firm specification for a single panel system to charge either 36V or 48V battery banks. P.S. I'm

[RE-wrenches] Morningstar Charge Controllers

2010-06-28 Thread Richard L Ratico
Does anyone have experience with the Morningstar Tristar-MPPT-60 charge controller? Thanks in advance. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & setti

Re: [RE-wrenches] Propane Generator, Dual Outback Inverters

2010-07-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
William, It's my understanding the SMA Sunny Island inverters do this as well. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Darryl: There is a scenario in which problems occur: If your loads exceed the generator capacity, the Outback system will fail. The Xantrex inverters are superior in

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating DC voltage drop

2010-07-23 Thread Richard L Ratico
All, For longer, underground, array to inverter/charge controller runs, are folks using aluminum or copper? Last time I compared prices, for the same ampacity, Al was 1/3 the cost of Cu. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Hi Dana; I'd say that's a bit overkill for today's market. Tha

Re: [RE-wrenches] GFX Series with generator

2013-08-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
Bob-O, Then again, SOME of us don't buy in Walmart either. Just say'in. Sorry Michael. Couldn't help it. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric --- You wrote: Then again, SOME of us don't buy Chinese goods. On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Ryan wrote: To echo Tom the XW is probably the best product for the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Hawker versusu MK

2013-08-13 Thread Richard L Ratico
I've got two Hawker installs out here, a 48 Volt and a 24 Volt system. Both are going on 6 years or so. Clients are happy, I'm happy. It does resemble work to move and place them. We typically use "Egyptian" techniques when heavy equipment isn't available or appropriate. Inclined plane, big pry bar

Re: [RE-wrenches] PSX-240 wiring question

2013-09-08 Thread Richard L Ratico
Allan, According to Wikipedia, it is not a typo. It is, however, an excellent example of lousy technical writing / documentation. You are correct to zero in on it What Outback seems to have done, is switch from a four line drawing on the input side of the circuit to a one line drawing on the outp

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sundanzer questions

2013-09-11 Thread Richard L Ratico
One out there, now about 7 years. Customers are happy. No problems. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric You Wrote: Wrenches. We have sold four Sundanzer chest refrigerators or freezers over the last ten years. All have worked without a hitch. Today I got a call from a customer asking about DC refrige

Re: [RE-wrenches] copper roof

2013-09-16 Thread Richard L Ratico
Nik, Looks to me like there may be a major bird flyway between the dormers directly over the bottom row of modules. A google search seems to confirm a correllation between between bird droppings and copper roof staining. I agree with August, this doesn't seem to be an issue caused by dissimilar me

Re: [RE-wrenches] On demand WH

2013-09-30 Thread Richard L Ratico
As concerns standby loss, I can't speak to the others, but the Rinnai has a simple on/off button on the front of the unit. A remote controller is available which also provides the switch. It does take afew seconds for the unit to boot up. Up to three remotes may be installed, making the on /off ope

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