Re: [RE-wrenches] Sick pack

2013-12-19 Thread Tump
What is the Spg (use a good refractometer)of each cell 1.11?1.15? that temp is not to hi especially w/ the temp comp. Charging w/ the unit in bulk, the inverter will see voltage rise quickly and decide that they are charged. disconnect the batteries and check as individual units Eq at high volt

[RE-wrenches] SB 240 - No Neutral Sense Conductor

2013-12-19 Thread Mark Frye
Folks, I was looking at the SMA micro inverter and notice only connections for L1, L2 and earth. I thought all grid tied inverters needed a neutral sense conductor to monitor for phase loss. Any ideas? Mark Frye ___ List sponsored by Home Power mag

Re: [RE-wrenches] SB 240 - No Neutral Sense Conductor

2013-12-19 Thread Bill Brooks
Mark, There are many inverters that do not have a neutral-just not many single-phase inverters. Since all inverters must have at least an equipment ground, the phases can be compared with ground. The testing standard covers what is required. If neutral-ground bond is lost, it will show up in a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sick pack

2013-12-19 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Bill, I forgot to mention that your charge voltage is very low for most L16's. what is the make/model of the batteries? Larry On Dec 18, 2013, at 11:28 PM, frenergy wrote: Gentlemen and women, I have been called in to deal with a pack of 16 (4 strings of 4 for 24V), L-16s, 6 years

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sick pack

2013-12-19 Thread Ray Walters
You can waste lots of time trying to save an already dieing set of batteries, or just cut to the chase and install a new set. L16s are not a long life battery. While some folks can baby them and get 10 years, I've seen failures at less than 5 years. Compare cycle life; most L16s are only 600

[RE-wrenches] Busbar rating with multiple main breakers

2013-12-19 Thread SunHarvest
Hi guys - Concerning the 120% rule: I've encountered several circumstances recently where a 400A nameplate-rated (listed on inside label) main panel has two 200A main breakers. One of the breakers will be feeding the busbar in the main and the other will feed a subpanel. I had previously though

[RE-wrenches] Any familiarity with Dynapro batteries?

2013-12-19 Thread Allan Sindelar
Wrenches, Through a circuitous route I have come across Dynapro Batteries - the name, not any of the actual batteries. They basically manufacture and distribute flooded fork lift batteries at (relatively) low prices and freight included. Most are made as 12V sets with

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sick pack

2013-12-19 Thread Tom Duffy
Bill With 4 parallel strings at 6 years you surely will have some bad cells. I would let the bank sit (with no load or charge) for at least 8 hours, or if you can 24 hours and simply do a voltage check. You can't get a good 6 volt battery below 6 volts (at rest) so eliminate the 4 lowest voltag

Re: [RE-wrenches] Any familiarity with Dynapro batteries?

2013-12-19 Thread Tom Duffy
Allan The name rings a bell, they might be produced by Dyno Battery out of Seattle 206-283-7450 Kind regards Tom Duffy Senior Solar Design Engineer [Real-logo-X-195] E-Mail: t...@thesolar.biz Panama Office: 507-6126-1253 Direct Toll Free: 888-503-6772 International: 575-539-2111 SKYPE Address:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Busbar rating with multiple main breakers

2013-12-19 Thread Brian Mehalic
Best bet is to contact the manufacturer of the equipment and get documentation. Typos courtesy of my iPhone. > On Dec 19, 2013, at 2:16 PM, "SunHarvest" wrote: > > Hi guys - > > Concerning the 120% rule: I've encountered several circumstances recently > where a 400A nameplate-rated (listed

Re: [RE-wrenches] Busbar rating with multiple main breakers

2013-12-19 Thread Chris Mason
The 120% rule refers to source breakers, not load breakers. On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 3:16 PM, SunHarvest wrote: > Hi guys - > > Concerning the 120% rule: I've encountered several circumstances recently > where a 400A nameplate-rated (listed on inside label) main panel has two > 200A main breake

Re: [RE-wrenches] Busbar rating with multiple main breakers

2013-12-19 Thread William
Eric: Greetings! These panels are called 320 series because the sockets are rated for 320 amps continuous duty. Your calculations are based on the main OCPD ratings. You can add 40 amps of backfed OPCDs to the internal bus and to the external load center if you use 200A breakers. You can dow

Re: [RE-wrenches] Busbar rating with multiple main breakers

2013-12-19 Thread SunHarvest
Sounds like I may be misinterpreting something but I don't think so... NFPA 70, 2014 NEC 705.12(D2)(3)(b) states, "The sum of 125% of the inverter(s) output circuit current and the rating of the overcurrent device protecting the busbar shall not exceed 120% of the ampacity of the busbar." Based

Re: [RE-wrenches] Busbar rating with multiple main breakers

2013-12-19 Thread William
Eric: Check which code version your AHJ is using. Earlier versions calculated solely on OCPD ratings. CA building codes are based on NEC 2008 for 11 more days, then 2011. William > On Dec 19, 2013, at 4:03 PM, "SunHarvest" wrote: > > Sounds like I may be misinterpreting something but I do

Re: [RE-wrenches] Busbar rating with multiple main breakers

2013-12-19 Thread William Miller
Eric: Here is another distinction to make: 1.In PG&E territory, the largest service that is direct metered is 320 amps (continuous). This may be likely in many other areas. 2.Above that, the metering is all done with CTs (current transformers). 3.If you pull a direct meter