Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread Nick Soleil
Hello wrenches and Marv: How many Enphase inverters do you put on a single parallel string? The Enphase manual allows for up to 15, but I have found that a single string of 15 can have very high voltage rise on the AC wiring. Up to 1.5% loss just on the Enphase cables, and that does not ta

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread markf
Nick, Good to see other wrenches looking at this issue. However, remember that in the interconnect cable between the last and the second to last Enphase, the current is small. If you really want to see how the loss is adding up you need a more detailed analysis that averages the voltage drop for

[RE-wrenches] Warranty replacement (was Astopower 120 failure)

2010-06-11 Thread Joel Davidson
Our customer, an engineer in San Diego, self-installed 28 KC120 modules in 2002. May 25, 2010, he reported that the array output stopped. The same day I emailed him that his test results indicated that the problem was bad cell interconnects, that Kyocera knew of the problem, did not recall the m

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread jay peltz
Hi Nick, You bring up a good point that Enphase should address more clearly. However, I think the math should be done section by section to accurately account for the wire loss and not the total combined amps for the entire length. If the loss's are too high then reducing the number in each strin

Re: [RE-wrenches] Real world PV production

2010-06-11 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Joel, Thanks for the information. 35% loss due to to smog or soiling is a big hit and, I'm sure, an exception. Still, if the loss is even 20% it supports the concept that an array here on the cool, cloudy west side of the WA Cascades can perform on par with an equivalent array in a hot, du

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread Nick Soleil
Did you notice that in my calculation I divided the total amperage by 2 to get the average ampacity across the string. This seems to be the best way to deal with that. Otherwise the loss would have been over 2.8% Nick Soleil Project Manager Advanced Alternative Energy Solutions, LLC PO Box 65

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread David Brearley
Maybe Marv can help out here. I¹ve talked with tech support at Enphase and am under the impression that you can center tap their branch circuits to reduce voltage drop. This technique was used on a project that we profiled in SolarPro: http://solarprofessional.com/article/?file=SP3_2_pg92_Projects

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread Kirk Herander, VSE
I guess all this does is effectively reduce the number of inverters in each string, and create two strings from one (but without additional homerun string wiring). So you need two factory pigtails instead of one for each "original" string for the center tap j-box, but a small price to pay for incre

[RE-wrenches] desperately seeking MC4 connectors

2010-06-11 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
Anyone have any line on some MC4s or have some, even a paltry quantity, that they're willing to part with? Thanks, marco ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Options & settings: http://lists.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Real world PV production

2010-06-11 Thread Bill Brooks
Kelly, Your area is a prime example of needing to find a data site that is not geographically closest, but climatically closest. In Washington, the microclimates are so extreme, that data from PV:Watts must be manually selected. It is not because the program is that far off, it is the climat

Re: [RE-wrenches] PVWatts Module Temperature Coefficient

2010-06-11 Thread Bill Brooks
Joel and All, PV:WATTS is just a very simple simulation. You can make simple corrections for temp coefficient if you like, but if you want better accuracy, you have to go to a more sophisticated program like PVSyst or PVSol. Bill. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wre

Re: [RE-wrenches] Isofoton modules

2010-06-11 Thread Jeff Yago
We did a 6 kW system 6 years ago using 160 watt, 160 watt modules, and the client recently called back and asked us to add another 4 kW. We no longer install this brand of module and have lost track who in US supplies them. We found them to be well made and look great, but we just started usi

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread Jeff Yago
I just attended a training class in Philly last week by Enphase technical staff and my notes say they suggest up to 15 micro-inverters @ 190 watts each per string with no problem.  They also are now shipping their dual module micro-inverter which should help with this wire issue since this model #D

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread Marv Dargatz
Title: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters Nick, Sorry for the delayed reply.  I've been traveling and am just catching up on e-mails. Your method is absolutely correct.  We're working on an appnote and a calculator to provide you guys with some quick tools. David also brings

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC wiring loss on micro-inverters

2010-06-11 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi fellow wrenches forgive me if this has been said. The AC is a special problem on MIcro inverters because the long runs modules to service are now in the AC section of the system.  The DC connections are very short.  The utility has a +- 5% normal tolerance, which leaves us with only 5% to co

Re: [RE-wrenches] desperately seeking MC4 connectors

2010-06-11 Thread Darryl Thayer
I have maybe 50 DT --- On Fri, 6/11/10, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: From: Marco Mangelsdorf Subject: [RE-wrenches] desperately seeking MC4 connectors To: "'RE-wrenches'" Date: Friday, June 11, 2010, 4:58 PM Anyone have any line on some MC4s or have some, even a paltry quantity, that

Re: [RE-wrenches] Real world PV production

2010-06-11 Thread Darryl Thayer
Just my two cents worth, from measured data we get about 1250 kWh per watt in Minnesota per year this is measured over roughly 8 years, I had more trouble with the monitoring system than the array.  The winter measured lower than predicted, and the summer measured higher.  The winter is easy to

[RE-wrenches] Housekeeping: product needs

2010-06-11 Thread Michael Welch
Hi gang. If you have a comments on this post, please contact me off list. Some time ago we decided we should allow requests for hard to find products and replacement products on the list. This has me a bit worried, specially as systems become older and products damaged by weather etc. need to