Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Connect Inverter with battery, AND auto backoff?

2009-06-24 Thread m...@southern-energy.com
Troy, I would try looking at the Sunny Island by SMA. I have had good experiences using them as part of a grid connected battery back up system. Though I haven't yet used it, they have a pretty intelligent load shedding system through their programmable relays. The main drawback is that it puts

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Replacementent tax question

2009-06-24 Thread Wind-sun.com
The tax credit applies to SYSTEMS, not replacement components .. Northern Arizona Wind & Sun - Electricity From The Sun Since 1979 Solar Discussion Forum: http://www.wind-sun.com/ForumVB/ ..

Re: [RE-wrenches] Battery Replacementent tax question

2009-06-24 Thread Bob-O Schultze
Generally I agree that it applies to systems, but a case could be made fairly easily for a significant upgrade. IE, more PVs plus an upgraded CC, larger CBs, etc. If you threw battery replacement into that mix I think it would fly as a system. I agree that batteries alone probably won't do

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Connect Inverter with battery, AND auto backoff?

2009-06-24 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar
Troy, If "cost is not an issue" and you only have 50 amp load, sounds to me like you don't need to shed loads at all. Just design the battery/ inverter system to handle this. Build a 20kW Sunny Island system or perhaps a pair of Outback series/parallel Quad Stacks, 28.8kW (see: http://www.ou

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Connect Inverter with battery, AND auto backoff?

2009-06-24 Thread Todd Cory
Oh, I see... they want self applying lipstick on their pig... (sigh) Todd Troy Harvey wrote: I've got a high-end customer who doesn't have the interest in knowing  the details of managing "manual" load shedding. He wants something  that works... period. At one point Gridpoint advertised thi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Connect Inverter with battery, AND auto backoff?

2009-06-24 Thread Joel Davidson
Troy, Unless you are going to be your client's power plant manager, he or she is going to have to be responsible for at least system operation which means managing production and consumption - or hire someone to manage the system. PV systems are automatic and virtually maintenance-free to some

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Connect Inverter with battery, AND auto backoff ?

2009-06-24 Thread Jeff Oldham
I've done this on a couple of mega-homes, where load shedding is the only option to manage loads that exceed the most massive inverter stack possible. As w/your customer mine did not care for any interface at all and in both cases they are thinking about rental when away and know that guests wil

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Connect Inverter with battery, AND auto backof f?

2009-06-24 Thread Jeff Oldham
Hi Joel, The system I designed at the Real Goods Solar Living Center was been grid-tied and on battery back-up for 13 years now, goes back to the non net-metering days and 2 meters. I did a whole "house" back-up with 2 SW5548's on the lighting panel and 2 SW5548's on the plug-load panel. PV is a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Connect Inverter with battery, AND auto backoff?

2009-06-24 Thread Chris Worcester
Hi all, Has OutBack licked the multiple stacking UL listing yet? Can we hookup a quad stack now to the grid? We would be looking at doing a 120/240 VAC single phase setup with two inverters per leg. Sincerely, Chris Worcester NABCEP Certified PV Installer Phone: 530-582-4503 Fax: 530-582-4603

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Connect Inverter with battery, AND auto backof f?

2009-06-24 Thread Joel Davidson
Hi Jeff, Was that the Living Center PV system configuration before or after the flood and fire? Was the Fetzer Winery PV system also with 2 meters? Cheers, Joel - Original Message - From: Jeff Oldham To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:41 AM

[RE-wrenches] In need of 1 x SMA SWR2500U-NE

2009-06-24 Thread Stephen Kane
Wrenches, We are doing a partial donation project for a school and were planning to clear out inventory by using 8 x SWR2500U units. But alas, we only have 7 on the shelf. If anyone has one of these inverters they'd like to get rid of, we'd like to buy it. Please contact me OFF LIST. Th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Grid-Connect Inverter with battery, AND auto backoff?

2009-06-24 Thread Christopher Freitas
All of the OutBack inverters have a programmable mode for the AUX OUTPUT which will turn off AC loads when the inverter reaches its AC output current limit or if it gets too hot (i.e. is overloaded). This mode is called "DIVERT-AC" and is in addition to a "DIVERT-DC" mode which is similar except t

[RE-wrenches] module frame separation

2009-06-24 Thread William Korthof
Recently we've had a few modules (~5 year old) exhibit frame separation from the glass... in one case, it's minor separation of the long edge of frame on one or both sides of a few modules... the frames seem okay and reasonably secure when attached on the roof, but were loose during handling.

Re: [RE-wrenches] module frame separation

2009-06-24 Thread Joel Davidson
William, The main concerns are physical damage to the unsupported laminate and moisture penetration at the exposed edge of the laminate. If the frame can be pushed back in place without breaking the laminate, you can fasten a flat bar across the back of the module to keep the frame in place. E

Re: [RE-wrenches] module frame separation

2009-06-24 Thread Marv Dargatz
Be careful with the silicon.  Most of it is hygroscopic, and contains acetic acid. Automobile windshields are often secured with Butyl rubber caulk.  It is impervious to moisture.  Might this be a good choice?  I also wonder if a polyurethane (like sikaflex) would be appropriate. See Ya! Mar

Re: [RE-wrenches] module frame separation

2009-06-24 Thread Joel Davidson
Marv, Not to split hairs, but silicone not silicon. Silicone based brake fluid is used because it is non-hygroscopic. Hydroscopic is the ability to absorb moisture from the atmosphere. Silicone bathtub caulk is not hydroscopic and the acetic acid in the caulk will not hurt the solar laminate gl

Re: [RE-wrenches] module frame separation

2009-06-24 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Joel, Are you sure that water can enter the laminate from the edge? My understanding is that the aluminum frame is only needed for structural support, and that the laminate itself is sealed at the edge. I'd like to know if I'm wrong. Maybe a module manu rep can chime in. How are frame-less lam

Re: [RE-wrenches] module frame separation

2009-06-24 Thread Doug Wells
William, I have done the procedure before. I used RTV silicone. The hard part was cleaning out some of the old sealant in the frame. After seeing enough modules that look like they were sealed by preschoolers, you might end up with a longer lasting seal than the manufacturer. Doug Wells The

Re: [RE-wrenches] module frame separation

2009-06-24 Thread Chris Daum
Not meaning to open up a can of worms, but along these lines, what do y'all think of the way Sharp frames are connected/sealed? Chris Daum Oasis Montana Inc. -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [RE-wrenches] module frame separation

2009-06-24 Thread Joel Davidson
Brian, I was general manager of 2 solar factories. There is lots of literature about EVA and moisture. For example http://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy02osti/30841.pdf I am sure moisture (H2O) can enter laminates from the edge. EVA does not protect the cells from moisture. EVA provides a path for moi