Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2018-01-08 Thread MiJo Nels
I agree with everyone's sentiment, I always felt a little insulted reading manufacturer's manuals and being told that covering modules was enough. It isn't. . . . Remove load. . .Open circuit in as many places as you have to. . hahahaha. On Dec 24, 2017 19:18, "Chris Worcester" wrote: Hi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2017-12-24 Thread Chris Worcester
Hi Jay, Years ago I had one Sunny Boy system needing looking at string to string, and covered them with multiple layers of blankets and tarps, only to get one heck of a jolt... short of a good primer paint and barbeque black top coat, I'll not waste the time, and know they are always treated as

Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2017-12-24 Thread Glenn Burt
: Saturday, December 23, 2017 7:38 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules HI Dan, Would you have a link to that UL test? These folks hopefully will listen to UL but they won’t listen to me, I don’t have enough letters after my name. And thanks to all for chiming in. Yes I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2017-12-24 Thread William Miller
Jay: You are quite right to object to the concept of covering PV modules as a means to energize feeders. It is not practical on any level. Implementing this on a roof with the potential for unexpected wind gusts adds to the risk of a service call. We know 99% of the tarps available are not opa

Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2017-12-23 Thread Dan Fink
This is the best I can do right now on a holiday weekend. https://newscience.ul.com/articles/pv-panels And, if you are going to try it, gotta get the GOOD tarps, and dog them fast.Know the knots. Dan Fink Professor of Solar Energy Technology, Ecotech Institute IREC Certified Instructor™ for: ~ P

Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2017-12-23 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi jay, i once covered the array started work and got bit another time with street light and full moon and got bit covering is not adequate On Dec 23, 2017 5:04 PM, "Martin Herzfeld" wrote: > 1. NEC 690.18 was removed from the Code in 2017 and an "opaque covering" > for Installation and Servi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2017-12-23 Thread jay
HI Dan, Would you have a link to that UL test? These folks hopefully will listen to UL but they won’t listen to me, I don’t have enough letters after my name. And thanks to all for chiming in. Yes I agree with all of you, all good points. But you know, an engineering group is going to want

Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2017-12-23 Thread Dan Fink
Just look at the latest UL test results on tarps, and firefighter foam. A tarp blowing off in some wind could expose workers to a high-voltage situation when they thought it was safe. Blue tarps don't work, you have to get the better grade. FF foam slides off and doesn't block enough wavelengths.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2017-12-23 Thread Martin Herzfeld
1. NEC 690.18 was removed from the Code in 2017 and an "opaque covering" for Installation and Service of an Array. 2. Light to the underside of the array is still an issue too for a ground-mount - albedo. Try this in sunlight on a windy day? :) I'd also suggest "treating everything as if it were

Re: [RE-wrenches] Covering modules

2017-12-23 Thread jryago
I always thought this was a waste of time, waste of materials, and gives a false sense of security. I have had the crap shocked out of me while trying to hurry and finish up string connections in a combiner box when it was almost dark and could barely see so now I never assume near darkness me