Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread Jeff Oldham
Sorry, I did not read enough of this string, I wrongly assumed the issue was the 4/0 wire not being large enough for the addition. Perhaps be ever more conservative on the PV expansion and use a Apollo HV100? The migration to 48V is certainly a logical solution but can be a horrible economic sol

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread boB Gudgel
On 10/20/2010 12:16 PM, jay peltz wrote: Hi Jeff, Its not the voltage but amps, the apollo is only 80amps, and the old MX's you can push to 70 so no real advantage there. j I think that what he means is that by switching to a 48V battery you can have (add) twice as much array power ratin

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread jay peltz
All good ideas. thanks, jay On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:56 AM, R Ray Walters wrote: > I second Allan's move to 48 v; that's usually what we've ended up doing in > very similar situations, to keep the existing 'monsta' cable. > Usually they have a dated mod sine inverter, so the upgrade to Outback >

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread jay peltz
Hi Jeff, Its not the voltage but amps, the apollo is only 80amps, and the old MX's you can push to 70 so no real advantage there. j On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:26 AM, Jeff Oldham wrote: > I think you run a very high risk of smoking the controllers. So rather than > waste the money, gear and potenti

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread R Ray Walters
I second Allan's move to 48 v; that's usually what we've ended up doing in very similar situations, to keep the existing 'monsta' cable. Usually they have a dated mod sine inverter, so the upgrade to Outback improves the system coming and going. As much as I loved the SW series inverters, their t

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread Allan Sindelar
Jay, When we faced this issue recently, we used it as an opportunity to upgrade to a 48V system. The obsolescence and lack of Schneider support for the SW4024 contributed to the logic of this approach. At 48V an MX60 will handle 3200 watts.

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread Jeff Oldham
I think you run a very high risk of smoking the controllers. So rather than waste the money, gear and potential fire I would suggest using either a Apollo HV-80 (200Voc) or the brand new Schneider/Xantrex 600Voc controller - the new holy grail of controllers! Then rewire the array accordingly.

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread jay peltz
Hi Ray et all, The customer has 200' of 4/0 direct buried with a 24v system, and is running close to 60 amps now, and wants to add 6 more 215 watt modules. So the issue has been to try and find a way around putting in another wire ie digging a new trench through his yard. the client may be will

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread R Ray Walters
Hi Jay; I'd second (3rd, 4th?) everyone else's comments that it probably isn't a good idea. I'd add that the diode will eat at least a volt, so that's not good for MPPT, or balancing. The one possible way to do this, might be to use a Vanner battery equalizer, which is designed to split an inco

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread Allan Sindelar
Mick, I don't believe Apollo make a T-100, only a T80 and T-80HV. Allan Sindelar Allan@positiveenergysolar.com NABCEP Certified Photovoltaic Installer EE98J Journeyman Electrician Positive Energy, Inc.

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread Mick Abraham
This sounds like a job for a single Apollo T-100. If you do that, Jay, be sure to wire the solar strings with somewhat more than 36 PV cells for every 12 volts of battery. Jolliness, Mick Abraham, Proprietor www.abrahamsolar.com Voice: 970-731-4675 On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Kent Osterb

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread Kent Osterberg
William, There are some issues with putting the charge controller at the other end of the feeder: 1. The advantage of a higher voltage feeder is lost. 2. The voltage drop in the feeder will mess up the charge controller's absorption and float set points.  Say there is only 1% drop in the deepe

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread William Miller
Jay: Bad idea. The differences in tolerances within components will make one work harder than the other. They will never balance. Why not put the charge controllers at the other end of the feeder? William Miller At 08:06 AM 10/20/2010, you wrote: HI All, Say anyone ever paralleled mx/

Re: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread Steve Higgins
hes-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of jay peltz Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 8:07 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's HI All, Say anyone ever paralleled mx/fm-60's? I have a unique situation that w

[RE-wrenches] paralleling FM-60's

2010-10-20 Thread jay peltz
HI All, Say anyone ever paralleled mx/fm-60's? I have a unique situation that would be very expensive to pull additional wire however the existing wire is large enough to need 2 fm-60s' If I put a diode between them so they don't feed each other any problems that anyone knows of? thanks, jay