Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-25 Thread Jeff Oldham
IMHO no one makes a better inverter than Exceltec. However, in these large stacks the idle current can really add up under low to no loads. You should look at average draw and do the quick math to see if it makes sense as you'll need to add additional generation to offset this. To my knowledge t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-23 Thread Exeltech
. Dan --- On Sun, 10/23/11, William Miller wrote: From: William Miller Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid To: "RE-wrenches" Date: Sunday, October 23, 2011, 11:30 PM Dan: We are not desiring 120 degrees.  We are desiring 180 degrees, and it can be derived, and witho

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-23 Thread William Miller
pology works at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott-T_transformer Dan --- On Sun, 10/23/11, mac Lewis wrote: From: mac Lewis Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid To: "RE-wrenches" Date: Sunday, October 23, 2011, 9:02 PM Wrenches, Is it a "special&quo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-23 Thread Exeltech
be used with closely balanced loads between phases. There's an explanation of how a Scott-T topology works at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott-T_transformer Dan --- On Sun, 10/23/11, mac Lewis wrote: From: mac Lewis Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid To: &q

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-23 Thread William Miller
Dear Anonymous: Define special. I am not certain what your question is, but I will provide some information that might help. One part number for an applicable device is : C1F007LES. The link to this product is: http://www.alliedelec.com/search/productdetail.aspx?SKU=8680214 I hope this

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-23 Thread mac Lewis
Wrenches, Is it a "special" transformer that will give you the 180 deg phase shift from the original 120 deg shift? Thanks On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:52 PM, William Miller wrote: > Friends: > > I posted a question here about three weeks ago on the subject of connecting > a dual SW inverter stac

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-22 Thread penobscotsolar
Ray, The nice thing about the Exeltech (and what made me decide to use them) is that they are not "large". They are simply an array of 1 kw inverters, allowing for multiple redundancy. Essentially, a 30 kw three phase inverter is 31 small inverters, which, with the removal of two nuts, can be s

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread William Miller
Friends: I posted a question here about three weeks ago on the subject of connecting a dual SW inverter stack to a three phase generator. I have learned a lot since then. Here are the most important points: Most large, three phase generators are allegedly field convertible to be either 208

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Gary Willett
Alan: Thanks for setting me straight about 3-phasing the Outback Radian - I was not aware they are limited to parallel single phase applications. Regards, Gary Willett On 10/21/2011 15:29, Allan Sindelar wrote: Gary, I was surprised by this information, as I had presumed that both units wer

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Jeff Clearwater
Hey Allan, SMA is about to release a 6 KW version of the 5 KW SI if that figures in your considerations at all. And of course the advantage of the SI is you can feed power into the micro-grid anywhere along the backbone without AC coupling relays in true off-grid mode. But to stack 6 you'd n

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Allan Sindelar
Gary, I was surprised by this information, as I had presumed that both units were for single-phase only. So I checked. Mary Raub in tech support at Outback told me that the Radian works only in 120/240 single-phase, although they are stackable in parallel.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Gary Willett
Allan: Also, you might consider using six to nine Schneider/Xantrex XW6048 inverters, or six to nine Outback Radian GS8048 inverters, in a 3-phase configuration, with a common battery bank. Also, Schneider/Xantrex has an 80A 600V charge controller that may be advantageous depending on the di

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread penobscotsolar
We are working on a 60 kw off grid system in Mexico and plan on using Exeltech MX series inverters. They are truly innovative and very well thought out. They do require a separate battery charger, but output very clean AC in a multitude of battery configurations. They are rackable, redundant and we

Re: [RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Do they actually have 208v loads? If not, replace with 120/240 panel. Just a thought... Although a transformer would be required to use an existing 208v generator. Jason Szumlanski On Oct 21, 2011, at 11:17 AM, "Allan Sindelar" wrote: > Wrenches, > We have been asked for a design for an off

[RE-wrenches] Three-phase off-grid

2011-10-21 Thread Allan Sindelar
Wrenches, We have been asked for a design for an off-grid system to reduce generator runtime for a mountain resort. Initial projections (consumption measurement results not yet available) suggest 15-20 kW of PV and around 30 kW of inverter capacity. However, the generato