Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-09 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, I use the WEEB products whenever I can. I like the way they are an aggressive, "toothy", stainless steel "filling", in a nut, bolt, washer, locknut sandwich. Having seen way too much lightning damage of late, and lots of corroded mechanical lugs, it's great to have a bonding product

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-09 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Hi Richard, Thanks for responding to my post. It looks like no more responses are coming in on the thread. To summarize, it looks like the module grounding methods are not too clearly spelled out at this time, and that some of the methods we use could possibly be problematic (I.E. the groun

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-07 Thread Brian Wiley
Hi Jim. Please see http://we-llc.com/WEEBLug_story.html. You can certainly repeat the test in your own lab. What we were trying to point out is that the contact area for 2 threads of a thread forming screw do not match the rating of the lug.  The lug does meet the UL467 standard, but the lug

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-07 Thread North Texas Renewable Energy Inc
6) I think John Wiles recommended the star washer / bolt / weather resistant lug combination as a solution in the absence of a module manufacture's specific instructions. Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT After a quick search of Brian Wileys www site we-llc, I could not find t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-07 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, Thanks for your detailed reply. Hmmm. Grounding / bonding always the most misunderstood, confusing, controversial aspect of electrical work. Some thoughts: 1) The NEC is a MINIMUM standard. 2) The NEC sometimes has to play "catchup" in the case of developing

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-07 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Hi Dick, The methods of array grounding that I've used are WEEB bonding device, or weather resistant grounding lugs screwed to the array frame or bolted to array frames, using a star washer to dig into the anodized aluminum frame. The lugs are connected together by a copper ground wire, whic

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-07 Thread Richard L Ratico
Hi Drake, Could you please elaborate? Dick Dick Ratico Solarwind Electric Bradford, VT --- You wrote: Hi William, So is there no document we can read that delineates the actual requirements? The standard methods of module bonding that we use don't always seem logical. Engineers on a rec

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-07 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Hi William, So is there no document we can read that delineates the actual requirements? The standard methods of module bonding that we use don't always seem logical. Engineers on a recent job had similar feelings. Drake At 03:07 PM 1/6/2009, you wrote: Drake: Listed equipment must b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-06 Thread William Miller
Drake: Listed equipment must be installed per the manufacturer's instructions. Listing agencies require grounding by a specific process to replicate circumstances that occur when the product is tested.. William Miller At 10:39 AM 1/6/2009, you wrote: Hello Wrenches, Where is the require

[RE-wrenches] Module grounding requirements

2009-01-06 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Hello Wrenches, Where is the requirement that states that modules need to be grounded by means of Weeb clips, or grounded by wires connected to the modules? Reviewing the code, I can't find the requirement in Section in 690. If the issue is that the anodized aluminum frame can build up a co