Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-24 Thread John DeBoever
-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:54 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up Hi John, Current is not reduced "due to"

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-24 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Hi John, Current is not reduced "due to" the PWM or the MPPT process ass you described. Current is reduced as a function of the electro-chemical process causing the internal resistance to increase as the cells reach full absorption. The PWM regulation only controls voltage. MPPT is only convert

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-24 Thread John DeBoever
: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Darryl Thayer Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:44 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up One of the advantages of LiFeP is the fast rechange

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-24 Thread James Surrette
ay, August 23, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up I 2nd what Ray Waters is saying. Much too soon, BMS will be an insane challenge, we rarely care about weight and footprint like the EV's do. Returning defective cells to China IF they accept res

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-24 Thread Darryl Thayer
with.  Lead carbon? Ni Magnisum Cobalt? From: Jeff Oldham To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up I 2nd what Ray Waters is saying. Much too soon, BMS will be an insane challenge, we rarely

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-23 Thread Jeff Oldham
I 2nd what Ray Waters is saying. Much too soon, BMS will be an insane challenge, we rarely care about weight and footprint like the EV's do. Returning defective cells to China IF they accept responsibility for the failure - I don't think so!! Sex appeal is overwhelming good judgement, one of th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-22 Thread James Surrette
Hi Dave, We've been doing some work in this field - all of which is preliminary at this time. By no means would I consider myself an expert but a few things I have garnered over the past couple of years. 1) Most Iron Phosphate (jelly roll or prismatic) are relatively low capacity resulting in

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-21 Thread Ray Walters
enches' *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up We have a potential client for a net metered PV with battery backup system with a serious interest in using lithium ion storage batteries. I do not know of any systems th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-21 Thread Darryl Thayer
.     The Li batteries no maintenance, 3000 to 5000 deep cycles, I want them, but I can't afford Darryl  From: Dave Palumbo To: 'RE-wrenches' Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up We have a potential client for a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-21 Thread Dan Fink
Dave; The way modern high-performance electric vehicle manufacturers are able to wrest such awesome performance out of Lithium batteries of any type is by using extremely sophisticated battery management systems (BMS). Per-string and per-cell monitoring *and* control is not uncommon, and temp

Re: [RE-wrenches] Lithium Ion Phosphate for grid back up

2011-08-21 Thread Dave Palumbo
We have a potential client for a net metered PV with battery backup system with a serious interest in using lithium ion storage batteries. I do not know of any systems that have used these batteries yet. From some quick calcs I come up with 105 LiFEYPo4 3.2 volt cells. 7 strings of 15 cells for 700