Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island retrofit

2014-07-03 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Yes it is. But since you have to install inverters based on the manufacturer’s requirements, SMA’s instructions trump MidNite’s, IMHO. Since MidNite and SMA worked jointly together to develop those E-Panels, I can only assume that either it’s an oversight on both of their parts, or that SMA is b

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island retrofit

2014-07-03 Thread Ray Walters
A 60 amp continuously rated AC breaker is what is actually being used in the UL listed E Panel from Midnite. R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 505-8760 On 7/3/2014 9:01 PM, Brian Teitelbaum wrote: Mac, Be car

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum and Pumps

2014-07-03 Thread Ray Walters
Based on many successful installs, I'd say a 3/4 HP pump is not a problem at all, and that the Magnum could easily run a 1-1/2 HP submersible pump. 2 HP probably, but that's where you start worrying. The Franklin Subpak controller can be used on regular AC pumps and not only offers constant pre

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum and Pumps

2014-07-03 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Yes Drake, I stand corrected, I was picturing the micro inverters feeding the input rather than coupling the output of the Magnum. To your original question, I think you would have to be consuming more power than the PV array alone can provide before the Magnum voltage would drop with the pump l

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island retrofit

2014-07-03 Thread Brian Teitelbaum
Mac, Be careful with breaker sizing here. The transfer switch in the SMA SI5048 is only rated for 56A at 120 VAC. From the SI manual: “The maximum input current allowed on the Sunny Island is 56 A. Higher input currents must not be connected to the Sunny Island.” To protect that switch pro

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum and Pumps

2014-07-03 Thread Drake
We use a protective relay, unless using Sunny Islands. In this case, the relay will be controlled by the programmable AUX relay's12 V signal. Magnum does have a phase shifting function, but does not recommend relying on it. At 04:40 PM 7/3/2014, you wrote: Wrenches I have not seen either a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum and Pumps

2014-07-03 Thread Jerry Shafer
Wrenches I have not seen either a OB, Trace or Magnum do a even far job of charge control or voltage limiting for the batteries during AC coupling as this is when the transformer is basicly going backwards, it can and does but even outback says you need to do a AC discounting means or AC or DC load

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum and Pumps

2014-07-03 Thread Drake
Hi Larry, In this case, the Enphase will AC couple with the Magnum in the protected loads panel. The AC out of the Magnum provides the micro grid to which the Enphase connects. If charging exceeds loads, when the grid is down, power will go to the batteries (up to the high battery voltage se

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island retrofit

2014-07-03 Thread John Powell
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Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island retrofit

2014-07-03 Thread Mac Lewis
Hi Wrenches, Jerry, I think you are correct, sma gear all around would be best. This will be my recommendation but I am sensitive to this substantial cost. Dave, if I add the second Sunny Island, I don't think I will be throttled back because the transfer relays are rated for 60A. This should pa

[RE-wrenches] GT with batteries in Calif.

2014-07-03 Thread Bruce Erickson
Hi Wrenches, Here is the only info I've seen regarding NEM with batteries in California. It's a May 15 news post from CALSEIA, which Brad allowed me to post here. One problem clearly is defining the categories, because what is a storage system "larger than 10 kW"? Seems like there's an "h" fact

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island retrofit

2014-07-03 Thread Dave Click
Mac, that Island interconnects with a max 70A 1P breaker (6.7kW continuous), so unless they have a constant critical load draw or the Fronius is massively oversized, you probably don't want to AC couple the Fronius. The 5048 is also able to output a continuous 5000W only when it's cooler than 7

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sunny Island retrofit

2014-07-03 Thread Jerry Shafer
Group I might consider a third option SMA all the way, one additional island and go with SMA on the output side of the now two islands, SMA seems to work better with communication. I have a system someone else installed and there they used an outback and did a DC coupled it works but it has issues

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum and Pumps

2014-07-03 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Hi Drake, If the Enphase are online, up to 60 amps (30A @ 240V) can be transferred through the Magnum inverter to loads. The inverter is not providing power to loads at that time. If the Enphase go offline, the Magnum takes over using power from the battery. If the load is greater than your Enp

Re: [RE-wrenches] 208 volt off-grid well pump

2014-07-03 Thread Chris Mason
Don't worry about over voltage, 220/127 is pretty common. Most utilities run about 6% over voltage to allow for droop during high load and long delivery lines. Inverters will not suffer the same issue so it is will be fine. Also, high load single phase equipment is generally 208/240V so they are de

[RE-wrenches] Sunny Island retrofit

2014-07-03 Thread Mac Lewis
Hello wrenches, I wanted to run this scenario by the forum. I have spoken with SMA about this, but want some other opinions. We were recently contracted by a fellow solar company to do some warranty work for them out of town on a Sunny Island system that they had installed about 5 years ago. It

Re: [RE-wrenches] 208 volt off-grid well pump

2014-07-03 Thread William Miller
Chris: 1.The house is at the end of a 200 foot feeder. The feeder is generous, 300 MCM, but depending on the use at the house, there will be some voltage drop. At 205 the drop is 1.44%, not bad. 2.Your idea of increasing the voltage at the source is intriguing. Thank you for that

Re: [RE-wrenches] FullRiver Battery

2014-07-03 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Hello Bob, We began selling FullRiver about 4 years ago and probably have over 200 systems installed. We have had no failures or issues with them. One aspect I like is the high acceptance voltage of 2.483 Vpc. Higher voltage means more power into the battery so you are charging faster. The 2 vo

[RE-wrenches] Integrated visible break disconnect, meter socket, load center

2014-07-03 Thread Nathan Charles
Hi Wrenches, One of the things on my wish list is a integrated single phase integrated visible break disconnect, meter socket, load center. The use case being supply side connections for multiple single phase inverters. Does anybody make such an animal? Best regards, -- Nathan Charles Engineer

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum and Pumps

2014-07-03 Thread Drake
This information helps greatly. I really appreciate all of your expert advice. One other wild card in the installation is that the inverter is going to be AC coupled with an Enphase system. The Enphase system will contribute greatly to the overall power available in the protected loads panel.

Re: [RE-wrenches] 208 volt off-grid well pump

2014-07-03 Thread Chris Mason
Here's your buck boost: http://www.acmetransformerspro.com/acmebuckboosttransformers.htm On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:33 AM, William Miller wrote: > Friends: > > > > About two months ago I inquired of this forum about complications that > might result from running a residence on a 208 volt 3 phase

Re: [RE-wrenches] 208 volt off-grid well pump

2014-07-03 Thread Chris Mason
William, If your voltage at the pump is 205 voltage at no load, it is not a cable issue, your source of power is at too low a voltage. Voltage drop is proportional to current, no current, no voltage drop. Most 208V system are run at about 215v, to allow for some drop and to facilitate 240v equipmen