Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Exeltech
--- On Fri, 8/19/11, Ray Walters wrote: > So is it fair to say that an inverter run at half it's design capacity > might last twice as long? It will last longer .. but as to how much longer .. there's no firm rule.  Much depends on how well the inverter is designed and built in the first

[RE-wrenches] Warranty repair costs [was Evergreen goes down]

2011-08-19 Thread Joel Davidson
How much does a $29 part cost your business when you have to pay a technician to travel to a jobsite, troubleshoot, submit an RMA or order a replacement, and return and replace the bad unit? I advise contractors not to subsidize bad equipment suppliers by doing repairs and replacements at their

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Joel Davidson
Out of Warranty Inverter ReplacementsWhere inverters and other equipment are mounted affects their life. Exposure to south and west intense sun and heat and exposure to sea winds shorten equipment life even if the equipment is turned off. - Original Message - From: Mark Frye To:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Large, off grid

2011-08-19 Thread toddcory
Yes... and we finally get the second AC input we have wanted for so long... the price? $13,000.00... wow Todd On Friday, August 19, 2011 2:35pm, "Jeff Oldham" said: Yes it does! From the Solar, Wind and Hydro powered office of Jeff Oldham/Regenerative SOLutions __

Re: [RE-wrenches] Mobile XW

2011-08-19 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I'm pretty sure the only mobile inverter/chargers they have are the old Trace Freedom designs that are part of their RV and marine lines. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William

Re: [RE-wrenches] Large, off grid

2011-08-19 Thread Jeff Oldham
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[RE-wrenches] Mobile XW

2011-08-19 Thread William Miller
Friends: Do any of you know if Xantrex offers and XW inverter in a mobile configuration (switching neutral)? Thanks in advance. William Miller William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com License No. C-10-773985 __

Re: [RE-wrenches] Large, off grid

2011-08-19 Thread William Miller
Jeff: Will it do generator support? William Miller At 02:23 PM 8/19/2011, you wrote: The new Outback Radian GS8048 (aptly nicknamed "The Beast") is one extremely impressive inverter! I've been beta testing one on a customer's system for a couple of months and it is a beast alright! Howeve

Re: [RE-wrenches] Large, off grid

2011-08-19 Thread Jeff Oldham
The new Outback Radian GS8048 (aptly nicknamed "The Beast") is one extremely impressive inverter! I've been beta testing one on a customer's system for a couple of months and it is a beast alright! However, it will not do 3 phase at this time. It has 2) 4kW 120/240V modules in it, if one fails t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Ray Walters
HI Dan; So is it fair to say that an inverter run at half it's design capacity might last twice as long? What in your opinion would be the sweet spot of enhanced reliability but still reasonable cost? I'm sure Exeltech just like everyone else (including me) are being squeezed from all sides

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Jason Szumlanski
As long as "next gen" means "actually works reliably." We gave up on TED after many failed installations due to interference and product failures. Unfortunately, the competitors we evaluated came up short on reliability and/or accuracy. We're still crossing our fingers that Galtronics can come thro

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Exeltech
--- On Fri, 8/19/11, Mark Frye wrote: > The question is to what extent can the installer rely on the representations > made by manufactures with respect to their ratings and product life? Depends on what failed in the units.  Take failures in anything .. cars for example.  In 100,000 cars, le

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Mark Frye
Jay, I may be thinking of a Photon Magazine article authored by an employee of SMA talking about in-house studies. Sowhat guide do we have in this wicked world for proper mod/inv design ratios? Was I such a fool to rely in the sources I mentioned? Would it have been wise to size to say, 7

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Keith Cronin
Perhaps as an add on value-relationship building component for your businesses, go introduce your clients, new and existing to The Energy Detective- http://www.theenergydetective.com/ted-5002-g At the very least, you can help them, help you, monitor what they have and discern between whether th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread jay peltz
Hi Mark, I dont' have the SMA white paper. However I wonder if the "optimal" is for array to inverter sizing ( ie rare clipping ) but not necessarily for inverter reliability? jay peltz power On Aug 19, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Mark Frye wrote: > Ray, > > Here are the nameplate module rating vs

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Mark Frye
Ray, Here are the nameplate module rating vs nameplate inverter rating: - 24 x 175 W = 4,200 W : IG4000 = 4,000 W : 105 % - 18 x 175 W = 3,150 W : IG3000 = 2,700 W : 117 % - 8 x 175 W = 1,400 W : SB1100 = 1,100 W : 127 % (sub-optimal orientation limits peak power levels) I think it is fair to

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Ray Walters
Hi Mark; In cases like that, I let the customer decide. My job is to present them with two or three streamlined options and let them decide. It seems it comes down to cost vs continued warranty (and possible expandability?). Financial decisions ultimately need to be made by the people paying t

Re: [RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Keith Cronin
Mark My sense is we will all see more and more of this, given in CA and other pioneering states, there will be orphaned systems looking for TLC. The micro inverter scene helps, as it gives Analytics and the other benefit is the client doesn't loose their whole system or learn about it after a m

[RE-wrenches] Out of Warranty Inverter Replacements

2011-08-19 Thread Mark Frye
Folks, Yesterday I took a trip through my service area and initated 3 inverter replacement actions: - A 6 year old Sunnyboy 1100W, 5 year warranty expired, $360 for a refurbished unit w/ 1 year warranty, new replacement not available - A 2 year old Fronius IG4000 refurbished, sent as warranty rep

Re: [RE-wrenches] Evergreen goes down

2011-08-19 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Sounds like you are making a good argument for microinverters. We've already had that warranty discussion, but if module mismatch is an expensive and difficult to manage module warranty issue, microinverters allow you to, a) not replace a bad module, or b) replace it with a different module if phys