Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter 1741 Listing Process

2010-10-18 Thread boB Gudgel
On 10/18/2010 9:53 PM, Matt Lafferty wrote: Thanks for the info Dan and boB. What production tests required to maintain listing? Do you happen to know if there is a different regimen for micro vs string vs central inverters? You mean, a difference between the two when UL, ETL, CSA comes by

Re: [RE-wrenches] BAKERSFIELD FIRE former "Target fire"

2010-10-18 Thread Bill Brooks
All, With all due respect to the many people who have been involved in the review and comment on this fire event over the past 1.5 years, there is more misinformation and misinterpretations about this particular fire than any we have had to date. It stems from a variety of information that w

Re: [RE-wrenches] Inverter 1741 Listing Process

2010-10-18 Thread Matt Lafferty
Thanks for the info Dan and boB. What production tests required to maintain listing? Do you happen to know if there is a different regimen for micro vs string vs central inverters? I'm working on developing a detailed commissioning procedure. Detailed yet generic. There will be at least two ve

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC voltage in North America

2010-10-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
When I was an electrical apprentus back in the late 40's we called it 110/220 then in the fifties the voltage was reised to 115/230  and some time in the 1960 it was raised to 120 240   Darryl --- On Mon, 10/18/10, Marco Mangelsdorf wrote: From: Marco Mangelsdorf Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC v

[RE-wrenches] AC voltage in North America

2010-10-18 Thread Marco Mangelsdorf
I just don't understand it. Lots of people-from reporters to homeowners-consistently refer to the AC voltage in their homes as "110/220." Where does this come from? If North American utilities were putting out power at that voltage range, they would be in serious trouble. Anyone abl

[RE-wrenches] STRING INVERTER REQUEST, SPI10

2010-10-18 Thread Ryan J LeBlanc
At SPI10 right now, getting bigger and worse every year. Same handful of "Solar Celebs," same lack of insight, or a real market to apply it all to. HEY SMA, FRONIUS, PVPOWERED, SOMEONE, MAKE A 3840W Inverter with CYCLING MULTI STAGES, and MULTIPLE MPPT ALGO's! Minimum of 3 MPPTS, and have it be

[RE-wrenches] STRING INVERTER REQUEST, SPI10

2010-10-18 Thread Ryan J LeBlanc
At SPI10 right now, getting bigger and worse every year. Same handful of "Solar Celebs," same lack of insight, or a real market to apply it all to. HEY SMA, FRONIUS, PVPOWERED, SOMEONE, MAKE A 3840W Inverter with CYCLING MULTI STAGES, and MULTIPLE MPPT ALGO's! Minimum of 3 MPPTS, and have it be

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Matt Lafferty
Hi Nick, Technically, I sent my message a half an hour before the timestamp on yours. I've had a few messages take quite some time to actually show up on the list lately. Technically speaking, I think Michael has me on the "review before publishing" list at the moment. Was it something I wrote? ;

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
Because the ground is not fuse protected.  A short from the conduit to grounded frames and then to the "grounded" conductor passes through the comon "gronded conductor" bus to all of the modules in that string and all other strings that share that "grounded conductor bus"  which is probibly all

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Nick Soleil
Hi Matt: I saw you chimed in after I had sent my posting. It appears that the fire was caused by just the one fault at the loose 2" EMT connector. If one of the module strings was faulted, then the fuse protecting that one string should open, and thus eliminating that string from the array

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Andrew Truitt
Thanks Matt! Just what I was looking for. I have a friend who does PV commissioning for a major government agency and he has caught numerous major installation errors that posed serious safety concerns. It seems to me that a comprehesive 3rd party inspection of all commercial/utility scale syste

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Chris Worcester
Thanks Matt for the education on this. So what type of Megger's are you or others using or recommending? We mainly do smaller sized systems, not the size here that's for sure. Some small commercial and residential. Any preferences and why would be nice to know. Thanks in advance! Sincerely

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Nick Soleil
Hi Daryl: Unfortunately, the fault would not have been found with a megger because the fault occurred after thermal expansion had causes the conduit to separate. The fault probably occurred shortly after the conduits separated. It appears that what would have prevented the incident woul

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Matt Lafferty
Andrew, The General/Prime Contractor on the job was SunPower vis a vis Powerlight. As per standard operating procedures there, the actual installation was subbed out. I don't recall which subs they used on this job, but there was more than one. Per their normal routine, one sub installs the racki

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Dan Fink
Check the email CC list at the end of the official report, and I think you'll find the party you are looking for. DAN FINK Buckville Energy Consulting http://www.buckville.com/ William Miller wrote: Andrew: It may be in the report: http://mpandc.com/practices/Safety/safety_data.html Willi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Darryl Thayer
I keep thinking had the installer routinely megohmed the ground and the "hot" they would have known a ground fault existed, and would have repaired.  The event would have not happened.  Then the short on the conduit would have triped the ground fault detector, and lead to a repair.  No fire.   

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Andrew Truitt
Thanks William. That is the first place I looked but I didn't see it in there. But I love all the resources on your website! - Andrew On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 12:47 PM, William Miller wrote: > Andrew: > > It may be in the report: > http://mpandc.com/practices/Safety/safety_data.html > > Wil

Re: [RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread William Miller
Andrew: It may be in the report: http://mpandc.com/practices/Safety/safety_data.html William At 11:30 AM 10/18/2010, you wrote: Does anyone know who installed the infamous Bakersfield Target job? Andrew Truitt NABCEP Certified PV Installer™ (ID# 032407-66) Truitt Renewable Energy Consu

[RE-wrenches] Target fire

2010-10-18 Thread Andrew Truitt
Does anyone know who installed the infamous Bakersfield Target job? Andrew Truitt NABCEP Certified PV Installer™ (ID# 032407-66) Truitt Renewable Energy Consulting (202) 486-7507 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andrew-truitt/8/622/713 "Don't get me wrong: I love nuclear energy! It's just that I

[RE-wrenches] Zep Solar

2010-10-18 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Greetings All...looking for any feedback on the Zep Solar racking.any one gotten their hands on one of these racking systems ye? Care to share your experience?.what are your thoughts?..I am thinking of possibly trying one of these systems...are the benefits really as good as zep