Re: [RE-wrenches] Packaged On-Grid PV Systems

2009-08-05 Thread Max Balchowsky
We've worked with a local distributor and have been able to design the "kits" ourselves with all the familiar components we've found most trustworthy over the years. If we need anything specific for any particular installation, a phone call changes that particular "kit" It's work well... Max

Re: [RE-wrenches] Packaged On-Grid PV Systems

2009-08-05 Thread David Palumbo
Joel, We use pre-packaged systems when working with out of state electricians. We have used SunWize kits in these cases and have been happy with them. Good engineering design, solid components and good documentation/manual. For our own local installs we find that working with individual compone

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV System Design Compromises (was solid vs stranded AC vs DC)

2009-08-05 Thread Joel Davidson
Matt, Right-on. I meant solid smaller gauge wire and multi-stranded larger gauge wire as compared to finely-stranded wire. Dave, Almost every electrician has nipped off a strand or more to get a conductor to fit into undersized connectors. Older model charge controllers and inverters were notor

[RE-wrenches] NEC Art 310 Ampacity

2009-08-05 Thread Peter Parrish
When we do ampacity calculations, we always use Table 310.16 in Section 310.15 for wire in raceway (EMT, PVC, FMC, LNFC, LMFC), and MC cable. Of course we use Table 310.15(B)(2)(a) in a raceway or cable with more than three conductors. A colleague asked me about the applicability of table B.310.1.

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV System Design Compromises (was solid vs stranded AC vs DC)

2009-08-05 Thread Matt Tritt
Joel, Changing any wires connected to a SW to solid core would be virtually impossible because of the almost impossible to connect with stranded wire connection blocks. Remember how ^$*! tight the spaces are in those babies? Living with a marginally relevant inefficiency from stranded seems a

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW6048 parts problem

2009-08-05 Thread Roy Butler
Allan, I remember you speaking at that Xantrex event. As I recall, you were a Charter member? And I bet Pagan remembers me grilling her at one of the picnic tables in the hot sun for about an hour. I was trying to determine what my $300 and a 4 hour test was going to do for me! Not much..

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW6048 parts problem

2009-08-05 Thread Joel Davidson
Hello Ezra, This is not good news. I have a lot of customers with 10 year old SW4048 and SW4024 inverters. What is the most reliable and simplest swap-out? Joel Davidson - Original Message - From: Ezra Auerbach To: RE-wrenches Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:48 AM Subject

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV System Design Compromises (was solid vs stranded AC vs DC)

2009-08-05 Thread Dave Click
> are we talking about 2% voltage drop, resistance, or power loss? No- I was talking about the 2% difference in resistance between two wires, which is not the same thing as 2% voltage drop. What I got from this discussion was that solid copper wire will help your voltage drop by about 0.05%, a

[RE-wrenches] PV System Design Compromises (was solid vs stranded AC vs DC)

2009-08-05 Thread Joel Davidson
Dave, I agree. but are we talking about 2% voltage drop, resistance, or power loss? What I got from this discussion about solid vs. stranded wire (1) use solid copper wire and (2) keep I2R losses low and (3) if you use stranded wire, be very diligent when tightening connectors. Anything else?

[RE-wrenches] Xantrex Technical Service

2009-08-05 Thread Peter Parrish
Called again at 11:29 AM PDT, muzak for 5 min and rolled over to voicemail. _ From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Peter Parrish Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:15 AM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches]

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW6048 parts problem

2009-08-05 Thread Allan Sindelar
Jeff, Around 2001 Trace/Xantrex set up its Certified Dealer Program (it happened while Xantrex was taking over Trace). It was a good attempt, long before NABCEP, to set up a way for better installers to set themselves apart and market accordingly. Pagan MacKay set it up under Ezra Auerbach's initi

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW6048 parts problem

2009-08-05 Thread jay peltz
Hi Ezra, How did it work in stand by mode? I couldn't get one to work with 250 watts of 4' tubes, even at the lowest search setting. I tried tech, but they only offered a link to old Trace "hard to use" items. jay peltz power On Aug 5, 2009, at 5:48 AM, Ezra Auerbach wrote: Hi Folks, I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Packaged On-Grid PV Systems

2009-08-05 Thread Max Balchowsky
Joel, we've been working with a local Dist (so cal) and have been getting packaged systems in the 2-10 Kw range. Contact me off list. Max 760-403-6810 - Original Message From: Joel Davidson To: RE-wrenches Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 8:42:33 PM Subject: [RE-wrenches] Packaged On

[RE-wrenches] Packaged On-Grid PV Systems

2009-08-05 Thread Joel Davidson
Hello wrenches, I'm getting tired of shopping for parts and want to spend less time talking to vendors and more time with customers. Some manufacturers and distributors offer packaged on-grid residential PV systems that include modules, mount, inverter, etc. I know some wrenches are don't like

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW6048 parts problem

2009-08-05 Thread Ezra Auerbach
Hi Folks, I had an XW on my off grid system for a number of months, at the insistence of my partner it has been taken out and our old SW Plus is back doing homestead power duty. The reason we took the XW out of service was because it had an unreasonably high tare loss and it didn't work w

Re: [RE-wrenches] Xantrex Technical Service

2009-08-05 Thread Peter Parrish
Just to drive a stake in the ground.I was on hold for 18 minutes this morning (9:01 AM to 9:19 AM before someone picked up). - Peter Peter T. Parrish, Ph.D., President California Solar Engineering, Inc. 820 Cynthia Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90065 CA Lic. 854779, NABCEP Cert. 031806-26 peter.parr..

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW6048 parts problem

2009-08-05 Thread William Miller
Jeff: The plug was included in a bag of screws, cover plates, bushings etc. I suggest that rather than manufacturer's be burdened with providing each individual part, they offer a replacement bag of parts as included in the original shipment. Mark Edmunds is out of town, but I hope for a rep

[RE-wrenches] Xantrex Technical Service

2009-08-05 Thread William Miller
Friends: While not perfect, my experience with Xantrex technical support has been pretty good. The phone is answered within 4 or 5 minutes and I get somewhat differing but reasonable answers. William Miller Please note new e-mail address and domain: William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW6048 parts problem

2009-08-05 Thread Andrew Truitt
We, too, do about 5 XW AC coupled systems per year and they can definitely be issue prone. The latest issue that we have is a system with 2 Sunpower 3300x (positively grounded GT3.3's) inverters and an XW6048. The system operates as expected when the grid is present but when the grid goes down cr

Re: [RE-wrenches] solid vs stranded AC vs DC

2009-08-05 Thread Darryl Thayer
hi all In minnesota we get about 1400 Wh/Wp/yr (no losses) , if a system is designed for 3% voltage drop loss, this is 42 Wh/yr/Wp or 1050 Wh/Wp for 25 yrs. if the wire is solid instead of stranded this saves 1Wh/yr/Wp or about 25 Wh/Wp for 25 years. In terms of money if the customer is payin

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW6048 parts problem

2009-08-05 Thread Jeff Yago
Thanks to all.  William Miller had a spare plug left over from another job and is sending it to me so for now I am back on track.   However, this still does not resolve my initial question and comments from several others on the list.  Over the years when installing and later servicing different br

Re: [RE-wrenches] XW6048 parts problem

2009-08-05 Thread Drake Chamberlin
Hi Peter, The Outback inverter will not regulate battery charge while AC coupled. The SMA is the only system designed to give a regulated charge to batteries in the AC coupled mode. The Outback axillary relay can be used to drive a relay that will disconnect the input to the inverter, to reg

Re: [RE-wrenches] solid vs stranded AC vs DC

2009-08-05 Thread Darryl Thayer
Thanks DAve yes I meant 2% more for stranded than the voltage drop for solid. So the number is very small. Your example was right on. Darryl --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Dave Click wrote: > From: Dave Click > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] solid vs stranded AC vs DC > To: "RE-wrenches" > Date: Wednesd

Re: [RE-wrenches] solid vs stranded AC vs DC

2009-08-05 Thread Dave Click
2% loss is significant, but I think that Darryl was saying that the resistance for stranded wire was 2% higher than solid. So if you had a 3% voltage drop in your system with stranded wire, you could rewire the system with solid wire and have a voltage drop of (3% x 0.98) 2.94% at peak producti