Re: [RE-wrenches] SWH data logging

2008-11-14 Thread bill roush
Anyone using these to receive REC's Renewable Energy Credits? On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 9:39 PM, Carl Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kelly, > > I have installed several of the Metrima BTU/KWH meters for SHW. The kit > comes with a flowmeter, temperature sensors and wells (hot and cold), and a

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWH data logging

2008-11-14 Thread Carl Adams
Kelly, I have installed several of the Metrima BTU/KWH meters for SHW. The kit comes with a flowmeter, temperature sensors and wells (hot and cold), and a calculator, nicely integrated. These are utility grade meters and more economical than the hardware you mentioned(dealer price $425). Check

Re: [RE-wrenches] permit denined since no grid connection

2008-11-14 Thread Peter Parrish
It would seem to me that a properly designed off-grid system with a properly engineered battery (or other) back-up subsystem would provide a continuous source of power. One may need to do a load calc to show that the PV system (under a suitable worst case scenario) can indeed provide the 24 hour lo

Re: [RE-wrenches] permit denied since no grid connection

2008-11-14 Thread Matt Lafferty
Jeff Y wrote: Yes, I guess its possible a local county can make up their own rules, but I am not aware of any requirement in the NEC Jeff, this sounds like a job for Donuts! It sounds like their position is possibly based on a local requirement or perceived requirement, independent of the NEC.

Re: [RE-wrenches] permit denined since no grid connection

2008-11-14 Thread William Miller
Jeff: There is a passage in 690 that declares that a power panel does not have to be fed with the amount of power it is rated for. This means to me that no permanent power feed of any particular amperage is required. Good luck. William Miller At 01:13 PM 11/14/2008, you wrote: Thank goo

Re: [RE-wrenches] SWH data logging

2008-11-14 Thread Glenn Burt
Kelly, IMC Instruments makes a few differential controllers that have the ability to provide data output for logging & analysis. I have installed one, but have not yet done any data logging; it looks promising. http://www.imcinstruments.com/Home/Eagle-2%20Group%206-17-08w.pdf YMMV Regards, Gle

Re: [RE-wrenches] permit denined since no grid connection

2008-11-14 Thread Richard Bogan
Jeff, I had a couple off-grid installations (newly constructed homes) where the owners could not get their certificate of occupancy until the off-grid system was installed and inspected. Once it passed they officially could move in. Richard From: [EMAIL

Re: [RE-wrenches] permit denined since no grid connection

2008-11-14 Thread Jeff Yago
Thank goodness this was not my project, but I just received a call from a couple that had purchased an old farm house in a rural part of the state that was almost a mile from utility lines and never had power.  They are renovating the old farmhouse and applied for all permits from county and have n

Re: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question

2008-11-14 Thread Allan Sindelar
Hey, old friend and neighbor, Given that you live with the abandoned Aermotor windmill on Old Windmill Trail at the bottom of your driveway ("yard art"?), I suspect that you'll come out just fine in the water department. My toes are crossed for you for the "sweet" part. Allan -Original Messag

Re: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question

2008-11-14 Thread Phil Undercuffler
off grid with water being trucked in and stored in a ground level polyethylene tank. My building inspector does not allow grade level tanks as the warm temp adds to bacteria growth. I agree with Darryl about putting the tanks underground, otherwise they become veritable cornucopia of bugs a

Re: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question

2008-11-14 Thread Ian Woofenden
Hi Conrad, At 12:35 PM -0500 11/14/08, Conrad Geyser wrote: Hey Ian, The key is that you want "temperature modulated", not "flow modulated". As a terminology guy, I really appreciate you bringing up this distinction. There are a number of temperature modulated units out there, the Rinnai an

Re: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question

2008-11-14 Thread Conrad Geyser
Hey Ian, The key is that you want "temperature modulated", not "flow modulated". There are a number of temperature modulated units out there, the Rinnai and Takagi probably being the most popular. We have had one problem with a solar preheat through one of these and that is if the solar water is p

Re: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question

2008-11-14 Thread Matt Tritt
Title: Todd Cory Todd, Having already mentioned my using the Bosch Aquastar (I'm completely happy with it), your original question was concerning a good 24 volt pressre pump, I believe. The best one I know of is one that we sell, so I think it would be best to contact me off-list - or on the m

Re: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question

2008-11-14 Thread Matt Tritt
Ian, I have a Bosch Aquastar hydro-ignition unit, but no solar feed. I originally had a Myson tankless heater (you probably remember them) that I bought with the misunderstanding that it would modulate according to input temp, but the standing pilot was kind of a drag, even if the unit might

Re: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question

2008-11-14 Thread Ian Woofenden
Hi Todd and all, Since this is a renewable energy list, I think it's worth mentioning that installing a modulating demand heater will make the installation "solar ready". I'm only aware of one tankless heater that accepts pre-heated water and has no electrical usage, and that's the Bosch 16

Re: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question

2008-11-14 Thread robert ellison
My understanding of the Bosch Hydro units is that there is just a hydro generator in the water line, no other gear, water runs, it sparks and lights. the service manuals I have do not have that model in them. I plumbed one last summer and don't remember any controls, they are as simple as can be.

Re: [RE-wrenches] 25 kw inverter

2008-11-14 Thread Eric Andrews
Evergreen 195's probably... service is 3p 208. Eric >> Eric, What are you using for modules? I'm a big fan of the SMA inverters--very reliable, easy install, excellent support. There's a good article in the new journal Solar Pro deals with this issue of multiple small inverters vs. one large

[RE-wrenches] SWH data logging

2008-11-14 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Thermal wrenches, We have a customer who wants to log the energy gain of his SHW system. The only viable option we've found is by Resol (also rebranded by Caleffi) which includes their top-line controller (~$280) in conjunction with their data logger, DL-2 ($500). With markup and installation this

Re: [RE-wrenches] tankless hot water and pumping question

2008-11-14 Thread Bill Loesch
Todd Cory Hi Todd, Congrats on the off-grid solar application to improve quality of life. I will defer to my more learned colleagues re the optimum water pressure pump. If you don't want to use any electricity to create the hot water, then you want to use a natural draft tankless. (Like a conve