Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread jay peltz
Hi Joel, 1. unisolar 64's and sharp single cystal 2. SMA inverters 3. Arcata California 4. exact, I mean side by side with no shading, same azimuth ( south) same tilt ( can't remember) 5. As to the unisolar producing more, I must stress that I have never seen the Unisolar produce more

Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread jay peltz
Hi Ian, There was a fat spaniel site for it. I can ask to see if this can be posted, jay peltz power On Oct 31, 2008, at 12:55 PM, Ian Woofenden wrote: Hi Jay, Is there documentation available on this side-by-side comparison? URL? Thanks, Ian Hi Geoff, In regards to the performance

Re: [RE-wrenches] mix-n-match Unisolar

2008-10-31 Thread Darryl Thayer
Hi Geoff The Unisolar have the same cells just in different number of cells which determines the lengths. If the cells have similar exposure, all that is needede is the same number of cells in each string. Each cell has the same current thus each string wheather composed of 9 foot or 18 foot m

Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread Larry Crutcher
Geoff, When you mentioned "plenty of partial shading", that settled the issue for me. Every cell in Uni-Solar modules have a bypass diode allowing them to handle shading better than any other module I know of. For potentially shaded areas or high ambient temperatures, it is our module of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum AGS with Kohler RES 8.5

2008-10-31 Thread ryan
What we have done a couple times is to install a 15 amp breaker in the epanel and wire in an outlet then plug a 12 vdc transformer into it. when the generator kicks in the transformer turns on and it all fits neatly inside the epanel. Alternative Energy Systems of Maine 57 Hemlock Rd Corinna, Me

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum AGS with Kohler RES 8.5

2008-10-31 Thread tump
The units have a w 12 volt source at the solenoid valve if it is propane.this source can also be used for the GSM w/ the XW inverters. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -Original Message- From: John Raynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:11:38 To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum AGS with Kohler RES 8.5

2008-10-31 Thread John Raynes
If switched 12V isn't readily available from the generator as configured, couldn't you add a relay with 120 or 240 volt coil across the generator outputs, whose contacts (or solid state outputs) would switch 12V battery power as a signal line to the AGS? I realize it's more stuff to wire in bu

Re: [RE-wrenches] fuel canopy and PV

2008-10-31 Thread Jason Lombard
You may want to look through the 2008 NEC articles 500 to 516. I have visualy seen one system by a propane tank, ground mount and it was well shielded between them. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Phil Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wrenches, > > Anyone out there have experience installi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum AGS with Kohler RES 8.5

2008-10-31 Thread boB Gudgel
AHHA, OK, Now I see... Sorry. Nevermind. Say no more !! Wink Wink... Nudge Nudge... Thanks, boB David said: Hi boB, The Kohler RES is is a very simple 2 wire start as are all of the Kohler's that I know of. These Kohler's have worked very easily with OutBack and Trace inverters ov

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum AGS with Kohler RES 8.5

2008-10-31 Thread penobscotsolar
Is this a propane generator? If it is, all propane generators that we have dealt with (Kohler included) have a 12 v solenoid on the propane regulator where the propane line enters and is attached to the generator. There should be two wires going to this solenoid 12+ and common. When the generator s

[RE-wrenches] fuel canopy and PV

2008-10-31 Thread Phil Schneider
Wrenches, Anyone out there have experience installing PV on a fuel station canopy? I'm interested to know what special considerations there are for managing the DC electricity and potentially flammable location. Thanks... P. Phil Schneider Creative Energies __

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum AGS with Kohler RES 8.5

2008-10-31 Thread David Palumbo
Hi boB, The Kohler RES is is a very simple 2 wire start as are all of the Kohler's that I know of. These Kohler's have worked very easily with OutBack and Trace inverters over the years fro remote automatic start/stop control. The problem is in getting the Magnum AGS module 12v power when the gen

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum AGS with Kohler RES 8.5

2008-10-31 Thread boB Gudgel
Hi David. Gary Baxter says he apologizes for not having that exact wiring diagram for the Kohler RES generator and the answer you got over the phone. (we gotta get him on this list too soon) Magnum Energy does rely somewhat on customers to help with different generator wiring if they hav

Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread Joel Davidson
Hello Jay,   Sounds like something is wrong other than Unisolar vs. crystalline. All things being equal, the Unisolar should produce more kWh per kW than crystalline. Questions: 1. What modules and how many of each? 2. What inverter or inverters? 3. Geographic location? 4. Array azimuth and tilt?

Re: [RE-wrenches] smart mount racking

2008-10-31 Thread Geoff Greenfield
String 2 has a bad diode on the > 3rd panel in and is reducing the Voc of that string by th 2 panels ahead of > it in the string.  I am hoping to figure this out without removing the > entire string and checking each panel if possible. > I think the Vmp is equal due to the fact that

Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread Ian Woofenden
Hi Jay, Is there documentation available on this side-by-side comparison? URL? Thanks, Ian Hi Geoff, In regards to the performance between Unisolar and crystalline, there is a side by side ( same watts, batteryless intertie with metering) installation up here on the North coast of Califor

[RE-wrenches] smart mount racking

2008-10-31 Thread Jeff Blick
due to the fact that both strings are paralleled in the inverter and the 1st string is being pulled to the same level V as the 2nd string under load..Is my logic good? Thanks for the help and advice. Cheers, Kirpal Khalsa Renewable Energy Sytems -- next part -

Re: [RE-wrenches] Magnum AGS with Kohler RES 8.5

2008-10-31 Thread David Palumbo
Wrenchsters, We have a new 3.4kW PV off grid installation that includes a Magnum ME-AGS Auto Gen Start module, Magnum ME-RC50 Remote Control, MS4448AE inverter and a Kohler 8.5 RES lp gas generator for automatic backup battery charging (16 L-16G's). We have successfully used a Magnum AGS control

Re: [RE-wrenches] mix-n-match Unisolar

2008-10-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Geoff, The ultimate issue is how many cells are in each series string and is the voltage of the cells nearly the same. As long as the number and the voltage of the cells match up for each string, it makes no difference what arrangement the modules are in. You could have 5 + 6 + 7 = 18 cells

Re: [RE-wrenches] Trouble Shooting Bad Diode

2008-10-31 Thread Bill Brooks
Kirpal, When you parallel, your voltages have to be the same, so you are correct in that assumption. Your assumption about the diodes is not correct. Diodes don't work like that. You could have a shorted module (all three diodes shorted) which would lower the Voc by one module. It looks lik

[RE-wrenches] Request for signage, disconnect, other safety photos

2008-10-31 Thread Dan Fink
Hi all. In addition to being a solar and wind system consultant and author, I'm an officer on a volunteer fire department in a remote area of the Northern Colorado mountains. About 5 percent of the residences in our response area are off-grid, though the gridless area comprises over 75% of the

[RE-wrenches] Trouble Shooting Bad Diode

2008-10-31 Thread Kirpal Khalsa
Greetings all..I was hoping i could have someone help me confirm a troubled series string on a system we have installed. System consists of 16 BP 170 W 24V nominal modules..2 strings of 8 modules.Vmp of each module is roughly 34V and Voc of each module is roughly 41V. One string is

Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread Matt Tritt
Hi Jay, From my own Unisolar installations, and many comments from installers all over the US, I have to say that the system on the North coast is some kind of an anomaly if it isn't performing at least as well as a crystalline system of = power rating at the same or similar site with the sam

Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread Jeff Lahl
In 2006, I managed a research project here in Hawaii sponsored by our local utility and the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) that did a  6-month side-by-side comparison of Uni-solar 64-watt modules and a leading single-crystal module.  Utilizing detailed system monitoring (Fat Spaniel),

Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread ASAP POWER! 2
We have UniSolar on an East face and Kyocera on a West face. UniSolar outperforms Kyocera in my opinion, but we will stick to solid crystalline Si for residential/commercial work for space efficiency and racking/mounting ease. Nothing scientific because it's not side-by-side, but the lower ener

Re: [RE-wrenches] mix-n-match Unisolar

2008-10-31 Thread Jason Lombard
You are correct and they are not. The entire string or array will drop the lowest performing panel and seriously detain performance. On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Geoff Greenfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I thought I knew the answer to this one, but wanted to run it by the list. > > > > We

Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread jay peltz
Hi Geoff, In regards to the performance between Unisolar and crystalline, there is a side by side ( same watts, batteryless intertie with metering) installation up here on the North coast of California, and the the Unisolar is the constant under-performer. This includes cloudy, sunny, wa

Re: [RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread Wind-sun.com
This is very similar to the old argument (sales pitch) that single-crystal panels are better because they have better low light performance. While basically true, it is meaningless. Getting an extra 10% when your light levels are down to 2% of full sun is almost totally irrelevant. One of phrase

[RE-wrenches] crystalline VS uni-solar

2008-10-31 Thread Geoff Greenfield
As a follow up to my uni-solar post (and thanks to all who provided feedback),  I have a second request: Any references to recent side-by side "shoot-outs" between Unisolar and conventional crystaline PV?  Scientific studies?  Your own wrench thoughts? I am more and more often encounter

Re: [RE-wrenches] mix-n-match Unisolar

2008-10-31 Thread Geoff Greenfield
Thanks Tony - yes, that approach makes perfect sense.  Unfortunately, this design ends up with plenty of lower voltage strings paralleled with higher ones. For a brighter energy future, Geoff Greenfield Founder and CEO Third Sun Solar & Wind Power Ltd. 340 West State Street, Unit 25 Athe

[RE-wrenches] Apricus SHW Charging

2008-10-31 Thread Dana
Manual refers to a maximum pressure, not an operational pressure, ie:" < 72.5 psi" This is fine for both open and closed loop systems as most mains operate below this range, and the TNP on most solar pump stations is set higher than this value. Thanks - Dana Orzel Great Solar Works, Inc