Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-21 Thread John Speare
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > Downside is I have some real nice XTR Ti cassettes in 8spd on > different wheelsets. > Maybe when I grind 'em down to nubs some day... > Well. Let me help you out. Go ahead and send those out-dated XTR 8speed ti cassettes to

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 12:46 -0700, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Oct 21, 12:16 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0700, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette > > > options w/ 34T cogs that it offers

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 10:07 -0700, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: > I was pleasantly surprised that my LBS sells 8 speed SRAM chains for > pretty much the same as mail order prices. > > Yeah, I should get a couple more... > > Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette > optio

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-21 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 13:36 -0400, Seth Vidal wrote: > Is there any effective difference between a shimano hg40, 50 or 70 cassette? The HG50 are black, the HG70 silver. That's a big (cosmetic) difference right there, and it matters a lot to some people. Functionally, I'm not so sure. Personall

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-21 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 1:07 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: > I was pleasantly surprised that my LBS sells 8 speed SRAM chains for > pretty much the same as mail order prices. > > Yeah, I should get a couple more... > > Thinking about converting my 8 speed to 9 as I like the cassette > options

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide part two

2010-10-20 Thread CycloFiend
on 10/20/10 2:28 PM, doug peterson at dougpn...@cox.net wrote: > All this talk about longevity me thinking: How long does a rear > derailer last? I've worn out a couple - an old "Deer Head" Deore which was the original on my '83 Montare mtb. Towards the end, you could actually feel the slop as

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide part two

2010-10-20 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 14:31 -0700, Eric Norris wrote: > I've never worn out a rear derailleur, although I have had to replace > jockey pulleys. I wore out -- as in, it became very sloppy and shifting became imprecise -- a Shimano Titlist GS in a couple of years back around 1974. I replaced it wit

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide part two

2010-10-20 Thread Eric Norris
I've never worn out a rear derailleur, although I have had to replace jockey pulleys. Classic Campagnolo derailleurs, with bronze bushings, will last for decades (I have a 1972 rear der that I'm still using). Modern indexed systems have less tolerance for wear and may not last as long, but kept

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-20 Thread CycloFiend
on 10/19/10 8:26 AM, Peter Pesce at petepe...@gmail.com wrote: > I can't say I understand the need for this either? > I must be missing something - what does this stuff do that low end > Shimano wouldn't do? > > I can understand Riv selling low-end thumb shifters, because there's a > big leap fro

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:00 -0700, bfd wrote: > That's always been Grant/Riv's thing, buy a $3K+ custom frame then put > on zip ties or use low end components like those $24 single pivot > brakes with no q/r he use to sell. I remember those brakes. They had plenty of reach and clearance, and this

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 12:42 -0700, Garth wrote: > 7 speed cassette stuff became hard to find, As far as I know, every gearing combination originally available for 7 speed cassettes is still available, although it's true the HG70s have been discontinued. 7 is more widely available than 8: in the w

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread John Speare
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Beth H wrote: > > Here's a little more reality for you: > > I spoke with a very knowledgable wholsale rep yesterday who told me > that we should expect to see all things 8-speed fade away in perhaps > two to three years. This is because of Mountain 10 drivetrains

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, bfd wrote: > > > On Oct 19, 10:03 am, Johnny Alien wrote: >> I'm sure it's fine but I personally don't see the need to go super >> cheap on a component that I am buying for a $1500 + frame.  Seems a >> little backwards. > > That's always been Grant/Riv's thing, bu

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 11:06 -0700, Peter Pesce wrote: > Also, If their philosophy is to provide things that otherwise wouldn't > be available if they didn't make them, which I think is an awesome > mission statement, I don't see where cheap derailers fit in. The work > will always be full of them.

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 07:18 -0700, James Warren wrote: > > As long as I can use index bar-end shifters in 9 rear and friction > front and use a largest cog of 34T, I don't care what brand it says on > the derailleur. > And if Shimano is no longer interested in supporting 9 speed shifters, it's n

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread James Warren
As long as I can use index bar-end shifters in 9 rear and friction front and use a largest cog of 34T, I don't care what brand it says on the derailleur. On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:04 AM, Seth Vidal wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, MKahrl wrote: >> Most of the discussion on other forums

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Seth Vidal
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:00 AM, MKahrl wrote: > Most of the discussion on other forums about Microshift centers on how > well the brifters work and how well the rear derailers work with other > manufacturer's brifters.  From RBW's point of view (and mine) these > concerns are meaningless since w

Re: [RBW] Re: worlds collide

2010-10-19 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 04:48 -0700, Johnny Alien wrote: > > I think Microshift makes the dérailleurs and shifters that Nashbar and > > others rebadge. > > This is true. I have not heard fantastic things I am a little shocked > they will be carrying them. I guess the real question is, how much of