Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-11 Thread Joe Bernard
You are correct, all production Quickbeams were Panasonic. The original prototype Mark Abele showed me may have been Toyo-built. On Thursday, November 7, 2024 at 3:06:30 PM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: > Hmm I thought that Quickbeams were built by Panasonic; then thought maybe > I confused them with Simp

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-07 Thread Ryan
Hmm I thought that Quickbeams were built by Panasonic; then thought maybe I confused them with SimpleOnes; couldn't find anything on who built those, initially ...but I didn't do a deep dive. Chroniclers of the Rivendell timeline will know So...I googled and landed on St. Sheldon. But...maybe T

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-07 Thread J J
This is such an interesting discussion and I appreciate the thread. We have three Toyo-built Rivs in our household, a couple of Waterford-built Rivs, and one built in Taiwan (presumably by Maxway? is that the only Taiwanese builder Riv has used?). Rivendell has super high standards and expecta

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-07 Thread Corwin Zechar
Hi Christian - Actually, Toyo frames have a 3 degree upslope in the top tube from back to front. Not easy to see, but visible if you look carefully. I have a creamsicle Ram and a green Quickbeam. Both Toyo built. Also have a custom and a Roadeo built by Mark Nobilette. And a Hubbuhubbuh presuma

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-05 Thread Johnny Alien
I think a lot of the elevated appreciation of Toyo built frames has more to do with the classic designs of the era more than the actual factory. On Tuesday, November 5, 2024 at 11:17:22 AM UTC-5 Christian Santa wrote: > If you're curious to see the Toyo Factory and its history, watch the below

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-05 Thread Christian Santa
If you're curious to see the Toyo Factory and its history, watch the below YouTube link I happened to come across as I researched this topic several weeks ago. It's not directly Rivendell related, but they do mention how they used to build other brands and how they've evolved. It's an interesti

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-05 Thread ascpgh
I do not have the fastidiousness of circumstance or habit to keep my bikes that nice. Not that I abuse them, I definitely think I'm a bike owner that keeps bikes a long time but depend on them to deliver what I expect and sometimes the margins blur. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Monday, Nov

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-05 Thread iamkeith
The Toyo article is in Reader #31. https://notfine.com/rivendell/ I can see how I romanticized my recollection of it. I don't think they're the ones who reserved certain tasks for elder artisans. They're a company like many, who train employees in their methods and culture, and hope they'll

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-04 Thread Nick Payne
I have a Toyo built Romulus, a Bleriot which I believe was made by Maxway, a Riv custom built by Curt Goodrich, and an Appaloosa which I guess is probably made by Maxway as well. I can't really differentiate the quality of the lugwork and paint between the three factory-built frames, it's fine

Re: [RBW] Re: Toyo frames

2024-11-04 Thread Josh C
The Toyo frame Rivs are different, but IMO, this is mostly due to the design of the era. They are two different bikes, but again, this is MOSTLY because of design, and not the manufacturer. I have a 2002 Atlantis and a newer one with the swoopy tube and longer stays, and they are two different