Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Lyman Labry
Black for my money. Elegant. On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 8:39 PM Reid Echols wrote: > The black and cream, for my money :) I’d love a grilver one too, though. > > Reid in Austin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsub

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread R Shannon
Sage is such a versatile color. Much like the gray on Joe’s custom:-) Best, Rich in ATL Sent from my iPhone > On May 19, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Will Ashe wrote: > >  > I'm with Joe. The sage was my favorite Sam color. I think they look great > with black bits. > >> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 1:

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Will Ashe
I'm with Joe. The sage was my favorite Sam color. I think they look great with black bits. On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 1:14:59 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > My impression is it's a previous Sam color. Sage Green wasn't real popular > but the Riv crew loved it (me, too)..my guess is they'll gi

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Jason Fuller
Whether the current Sam is too long, too short, or just right certainly depends on your body type but for me, it's perfect. I have a 51 that fits me spot on, and I believe strongly that in order to really love a bike, it can't just be close - it needs to fit. For my 50cm drops I run a 5cm stem

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Joe Bernard
My impression is it's a previous Sam color. Sage Green wasn't real popular but the Riv crew loved it (me, too)..my guess is they'll give it another run. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and sto

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Fryfam
For those of us with short torsos and long legs, and a strong preference for drop bars, 2cm can make a huge difference in comfort over a 3-4 hr ride Market interest in custom or limited release stems seems mostly fueled by the overabundance of long TT framesets in a world moving in the direction

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread David Johnston
I think MTB's were steered to long top tube short stem route because of Fat 29er wheels and long travel suspension. Doesn't mean it doesn't work well, but it's not unheard of for the bicycle world to sell a compromise as a feature. Maybe 650b wheels are the better compromise? I admit to being one

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Patrick Moore
It seems that many riders are very happy with short stems and bars compensating for longer top tubes. I'd have to try such a combination before I paid for one, but it seems there are many different ways to skin a cat -- so to speak. And now I recollect that modern mountain bikes have similar design

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Eamon Nordquist
Clayton, I'd probably need the zero offset stem to fit noodles on the current 59 Atlantis. Obviously, the 70 degree head angle can get the bars a lot closer, but only by having the bars much higher than I want). Yes, it could be done for me, but only just. The 55 Atlantis, with its 59cm top tub

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
Eamon, What stem length and which upright bars would you run on the 59 Atlantis? What top tube length and stem length would you need on an Atlantis to run Noodles? Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 6:15:20 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > Clayton, most people I know, if chan

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Drw
The analog stem is no joke. I run a 30mm one on a MUSA Atlantis that fits me like a glove and fit me like a glove before the short stem. It has improved comfort, and handling especially off road. It’s definitely stiffer than a longish technomic, so maybe that’s the handling improvement I feel.

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Eamon Nordquist
Clayton, most people I know, if changing from drops to upright bars on the same bike, would use a longer stem for the uprights. That’s not an emotional decision. For myself, if on a 59 Atlantis with its 64cm top tube, I’m not running anything but upright bars on it. I bet it’s great too, but it’

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
One more observation. People accept and love handlebars like Bosco, Losco, Jones and Albas. These bars often put your hands behind the steertube/steering axis. But, the same people throw their hands in the air over sub 40mm stems paired with drops that usually (unless you reverse the stem!) pla

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Joe Bernard
Patrick: I had a 53cm MIT Atlantis that came to me from Analog Cycles with a 0 stem and flared drops. Later I ran a shorty - maybe it was 50mm - stem with a Jones Loop. Granted I'm not a trail rider and not particularly sensitive to slight differences in road handling, but the frame rode the sam

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
One more observation. People accept and love handlebars like Bosco, Losco, Jones and Albas that put your hands behind the steertube/steering axis, but throw their hands in the air over sub 40mm stems paired with drops that place the hands still well ahead of the steertube/steering axis. Likel

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
Hi Patrick, This will all sound a little vague and I am likely not describing it perfectly but here it goes: To answer the question about how handling changes with shorter stem: Personally I don't think it affects handling much *as long as it works within the overall bike bike/rider system*.

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Patrick Moore
How do such short stems affect the handling of the Atlantis? I use stems on my Riv Roads that are short by conventional standards -- 8 cm, and I absolutely insist on drop bars with sufficiently long ramps (but short-hooded Shimano aero levers and not the very long brifter levers), and insist on a b

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread David Johnston
It is nice that stems and seatposts are now available to make so many bike frames work for a variety of riders with the huge variety of handlebars out there. I haven't done it yet but I'd like to try Drops on my old 1989 Miyata MTB. Maybe I'll become a convert of longer top tube shorter stem concep

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
Just to be clear, I am not advocating reversing stems, what I am getting at is more along the lines of a 30-50mm stem vs. a 100-120mm stem. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 10:58:17 AM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote: > > There are benefits to one-size-fits all bicycles like Bromptons

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread David Johnston
There are benefits to one-size-fits all bicycles like Bromptons. I suppose there are benefits to reversing your 8cm stem and running a 16cm longer top tube, but I think I prefer the benefits of a bike that actually fits. On 5/18/20, Clayton Scott wrote: > A few thoughts: > > - Completely agree t