Re: [RBW] Re: I like MTBubbe, but this build's not quite there yet.

2017-09-09 Thread Patrick Moore
Paul: thanks; I actually liked the detail. It has been years -- 28 or 29, come to think of it! -- since I was last in Atlanta, and I'm glad to hear that the cycling infrastructure is better and that more cyclists are out on the roads. I don't recall ever seeing a cyclist on the road throughout the

Re: [RBW] Re: I like MTBubbe, but this build's not quite there yet.

2017-09-09 Thread Paul Clifton
Patrick - sorry for the obscenely long post. I guess I have a lot to say about biking in Atlanta, and some context helps. Is the "G" name Grant? If so, there's a mansion in the Grant Park neighborhood, which is where I grew up, that might be the one you're remembering. Grant was a big deal arou

Re: [RBW] Re: I like MTBubbe, but this build's not quite there yet.

2017-09-09 Thread Patrick Moore
Bill -- don't take my style of writing to seriously; I don't. "Irony" is a term very familiar to me. I simply meant that you won't be able to discover much of an "objective" reason for liking "honking"; it's just fun for some people, and fun is obviously as subjective as they come. There is of cou

Re: [RBW] Re: I like MTBubbe, but this build's not quite there yet.

2017-09-08 Thread Patrick Moore
Well described. The Deacon Patrick does more of it than I do. On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > I'm jumping in, God help me, so anyone on the fence about my sanity, you > can decidedly get off now. Honking is what the guy in the wee pock marked > near half-century Toyota pi

Re: [RBW] Re: I like MTBubbe, but this build's not quite there yet.

2017-09-08 Thread Bill Lindsay
Patrick Moore said "it's a futile attempt ". I'm not sure I follow what "it" is. The only thing I was attempting was to point out that fit and body position has a lot to do with how well your body can put power into the bike. Specifically I assert that IF Patrick Moore gave me his "most fun"

Re: [RBW] Re: I like MTBubbe, but this build's not quite there yet.

2017-09-08 Thread Patrick Moore
Bill -- it's a futile attempt; tease all you want, you can't understand it, only experience it. "Fun" after all is entirely subjective; one man's fun is another man's misery and a third man's bewilderment. I love the discipline (trained; it's a minor art) of standing to climb; and being conscious

Re: [RBW] Re: I like MTBubbe, but this build's not quite there yet.

2017-09-08 Thread Patrick Moore
Paul: I have paternal family ties to Atlanta (there is a immediately-post-civil-war house that is now a city landmark that belonged to family-by-marriage, whose name I very annoyingly now forget -- beings with "G") but never lived there for any length of time. My impression of it was that it is a v