Re: [RBW] Getting used to "Silver" barend shifters

2011-07-29 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 20:51 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > I will contradict, deny, object, contest and defy: it ain't the number > of cogs, it's the shifter and rd. Simplex retrofrictions will shift 10 > sp cassettes so sweetly and smoothly that it will make you weep for > the pure joy of it. Even

Re: [RBW] Getting used to "Silver" barend shifters

2011-07-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I will contradict, deny, object, contest and defy: it ain't the number of cogs, it's the shifter and rd. Simplex retrofrictions will shift 10 sp cassettes so sweetly and smoothly that it will make you weep for the pure joy of it. Even rather crude SunTour retrofrictions will shift 9 adequately. Sil

Re: [RBW] Getting used to "Silver" barend shifters

2011-07-28 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I scavenged the Sam Hill Silvers when I built my Fargo and found this: They are not as precise as Simplex Retrofriction, but more precise than SunTour Power Ratchets. I attribute this to the small barrels of the Simplexes, versus the larger barrels of the Silvers and STs, and longer levers of the

Re: [RBW] Getting used to "Silver" barend shifters

2011-07-28 Thread Joe Bernard
I think you're on to something in regards to how long the levers are. I had an RB-1 that I switched from Shimano index to Silver friction. I didn't have the direct comparison because I used index before switching, but, nevertheless, the change in length was drastic, and took a while to adapt to.

Re: [RBW] Getting used to "Silver" barend shifters

2011-07-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 17:24 -0700, Rex Kerr wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote: > One thing that's been suggested a lot over the years is to > swap the > upper and lower pulleys, so that the upper pulley is the one > with no >

Re: [RBW] Getting used to "Silver" barend shifters

2011-07-28 Thread Rex Kerr
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > One thing that's been suggested a lot over the years is to swap the > upper and lower pulleys, so that the upper pulley is the one with no > float at all. > Interesting... never thought of that. In the past I always just purchased new al

Re: [RBW] Getting used to "Silver" barend shifters

2011-07-28 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 16:51 -0700, Rex Kerr wrote: > I've ridden bikes with friction shifting for more than 25 years, the > majority of that with barend shifters. I've had multiple bikes set up > with Suntour shifters and seven speed clusters, and one set up with > Shimano Ultegra shifters (always