My liteskin 26 x 2.1" Thunder Burts also measure 51 mm on Mavic 319 rims
(23 mm external). Plenty of clearance under P65 fenders.
Tim Gavin
Cedar Rapids, IA
On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> My light skin 29 x 2.1" TBs measure 2" (51mm). They are a weekish old, and
> ha
My light skin 29 x 2.1" TBs measure 2" (51mm). They are a weekish old, and
have not been inflated over 20 psi, so I'd expect they'd stretch to 2.1"
fairly easily with increased pressure.
With abandon,
Patrick
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just reading this thread for the first time myself. There's a post from
Hugh near the top that cites 47.5mm on 23mm rims Presumably for the 2.1 x
26" tire.
On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 9:37:21 AM UTC-7, Michael Cinibulk wrote:
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> What reading do you get from calipers on width of the 2.1,
What reading do you get from calipers on width of the 2.1,and 2.25 TBs? Are
Schwalbes generally true to size on old school MTB rims?
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Like you, Mark, I find the "extra" clearance of the 2.1" wonderful --
though if I had the green Hunqapillar I'd likely love the extra width/float
of the 2.25s.
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On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 8:12:49 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
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> Wow now that is a good deal!! I may ha
Wow now that is a good deal!! I may have to order some...
My 2.25 TBs are still running since the oregon outback. I've had one flat,
after hitting a broken beer bottle on the trail. I've also started using
the 2.1's just to get a bit more clearance when it's muddy. The 2.25s lock
up pretty quic
Update on Thunder Burts:
I've ridden the "light skin" TBs for about a week now and have been
surprised how much more supple they are than even the "snake skin". THat's
testing them out on the gnarly frozen slush on a walking trail, so it's
rougher than most and they are noticeably smoother than
Brian,
Glad to hear your report em. I wasn't giving up them and hearing your
experiences adds to my resolve to run them. And so supple :)
Tail Winds,
~Hugh
“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein
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O
I'm surprised to hear Mark's experience with shredded Thunder Burts on the
Oregon Outback. I ran the liteskin 2.1" tubeless, and had one leak early
on the first day, but managed to spin seal it, and never had to pump it up
again. My buddy was running the Snakeskin 2.1 rear and 2.25 front, and
It would seem like the Schwalbe 'Rock Razor' might be a good model to try for
dirt touring
(http://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/off-road_tires/Rock_Razor). . .
I've been searching for the perfect medium-duty touring tire as well. I have
helped a friend setup some Super Motos as tubeless on
Daniel,
They were running the Snakeskin version.
~Hugh
“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein
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On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark, what v
So if I were to go with Schwalbe for dirt road touring, would Nobby Nics or
Smart Sams be a smarter choice? Other alternatives that folks have tried?
Maxxis Ardents?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 6:55:21 PM UTC-6, David G wrote:
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>
> In the MTB world Schwalbe is known for making fast (low rolling
Mark, what versions of the tire were ya'll running?
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 2:07:03 PM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Just finished a 7 day gravel tour, including the Oregon outback. Tires are
> shredded. My buddy graham had two rear blowouts and a dime sized piece of
> tire in the middle tear
I wish I'd known that before I bought 3 more of the FFs from Wiggle! Oh
well, the FF is plenty fast.
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:26 AM, David Yu Greenblatt <
david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Patrick, Furious Fred is lighter, but Thunder Burt is faster:
>
> http://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad-
Patrick, Furious Fred is lighter, but Thunder Burt is faster:
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad-reader/thunder-burt.html
- David G in San Diego
> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Patrick Moore
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:55 PM, David Yu Greenblatt <
>> david.yu.greenbl...@g
Patrick, Furious Fred is lighter, Thunder Burt
On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:55 PM, David Yu Greenblatt <
> david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> In the MTB world Schwalbe is known for making fast (low rolling
>> resistance) but
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 6:55 PM, David Yu Greenblatt <
david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> In the MTB world Schwalbe is known for making fast (low rolling
> resistance) but relatively fragile tires.
For the record, the Big Apple obviously not a dedicated off road tire, is
very sturdy whil
In the MTB world Schwalbe is known for making fast (low rolling resistance)
but relatively fragile tires. Here in SoCal many mountain bikers who enjoy
bombing down gnarly downhills eschew them because of their relatively low
longevity, even with Snakeskin or Super Gravity enhanced construction
Yeah, wonder what the carried weight amount was. Bummer that they
didn't hold up as hoped for...
On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Mark & his buddy Graham were rolling with the snakeskin's. But yeah they're
> race tires not originally designed for loaded touring. I'
Mike,
Mark & his buddy Graham were rolling with the snakeskin's. But yeah they're
race tires not originally designed for loaded touring. I'm bummed to hear
how they didn't hold up, still gonna ride with em, even though Mark's
experience...at least for now.
~Hugh
On May 25, 2015 1:25 PM, "Mike Sch
Bummer the problems were that significant, Mark. So far so good for me, but
we don't have much in the way of flint, more micro-edge sharp roundish
decomposed granite, or exposed decomposed granite boulders on trails. I
suspect a lot depends on the type of road. Perhaps weight matters a great
de
The TB's are considered a "race" tire by Schwalbe. I would only use the
Snakeskin version for extended off-road touring. They are wonderful tires.
I've been using Panaracer Comets recently, less supple but more durable and
roll pretty good on pavement.
~mike
Carlsbad Ca
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Just finished a 7 day gravel tour, including the Oregon outback. Tires are
shredded. My buddy graham had two rear blowouts and a dime sized piece of tire
in the middle tear out. I have some big slashes halfway through the tread and
the knobs are showing signs of tearing. These tires roll so nice
Mark Reimers buddy on the OOB slashed a TB. Still waiting to hear which
version he was running. The weight savings was so nominal I chose puncture
resistance.
~Hugh
“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein
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I'm running Snakeskin but wish I'd gotten the plain, most supple. Next
time, and then I'll know. My understanding is: Snakeskin = sidewall
protection and best for tubeless; Raceguard = puncture protection.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:30:43 AM UTC-6, Daniel Jackson wrote:
Hey Deacon,
What model Burt are you running? Snakeskin, Raceguard, none of the above?
Any idea about differences in puncture resistance between the Snakeskin and
Raceguard forms?
Thanks,
D.
On Friday, May 22, 2015 at 4:31:26 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> I couldn't resist sharing this ph
I couldn't resist sharing this photo from today's wee ride, but didn't
think it deserved its own thread. So here are the Thunder Burts climbing a
third of a mile of trail-become-creek with all our rain. Climbing the
smooth Pikes Peak Highway to get to the trail head, the tires were very
smooth.
Not sure when the shift happened, but it was with the first green batch as
far as I know.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 5:40:57 PM UTC-6, Daniel Jackson wrote:
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> What year did the chain stay clearance increase? Did the paint job change
> that year from bean/green-grey to c
What year did the chain stay clearance increase? Did the paint job change
that year from bean/green-grey to cream/green?
On Monday, May 18, 2015 at 8:58:58 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'm running Atlas in the rear and Synergy in the front with Tektro CR720
> Cantilever Brakes. Brake clea
I had a GREAT ride yesterday on TBs. I wanted to see how much sand
they could tolerate, and for relatively short stretches (<25
yards/meters) they did pretty well. I had to walk them a few times,
but not bad. 30 mile ride yesterday through lots of sand, and a decent
amount of asphalt. Neither slowe
I'm running Atlas in the rear and Synergy in the front with Tektro CR720
Cantilever Brakes. Brake clearence should be fine, as I've eyeballed Paul
cantis for someday on the Hunqapillar (I have them on my Quickbeam, though
I love how the Tektros work, so will ride them into the ground first).
De
Hi Deacon,
Wondering what rims and what brakes your running on your Hunq with Burts.
I'm considering setting up a Velocity Chukker with some 2.1 Burts and Paul
Touring Cantilever breaks. Do you think clearance would work out?
Thanks,
Daniel
On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 10:24:33 AM UTC-6, Deacon
Yes, 25-35 psi (depending on load) is the sweet spot on mine.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, May 11, 2015 at 10:21:59 AM UTC-6, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> I went for a 100km gravel ride on them on the weekend. I felt a bit
> sluggish, thought it was the legs, just one of those days. When I got hom
I would be surprised if the 2.25's didn't fit, I've got room to spare in my
Atlantis, mounted to Dyad rims.
I went for a 100km gravel ride on them on the weekend. I felt a bit
sluggish, thought it was the legs, just one of those days. When I got home
I realized I had been running them at around
Thanks for the info guys, I'll check out the 2.1" ones. My Bombadil would
probably fit the 2.25's but it'll be close and if they 'grow' any it would
be a problem.
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:
> MIke,
>
> If I knew what I know now I'd have built a wheel set with wider rims
MIke,
If I knew what I know now I'd have built a wheel set with wider rims for
the Atlantis!
~Hugh
“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein
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On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Mike Schiller
wrote:
> I
I have the 650B x 2.1" version. They measure 51+mm wide on my Dyads which
are 24.5mm outside width. I have the same Performance version David has.
They are an OEM tire and not generally for sale *and* they are folding
beads.
~mike Carlsbad CA
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Funny on the 26er I have a ton of room! I sort of wished they made em
larger for 26" but then they'd be heavier!
~Hugh
“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein
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On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 8:40 AM, Mark Rei
Unfortunately, the technical term is "yea much," Mark. Sardonic grin. It's
based on thinking when I installed them "they have more clearance than the
2.1 Smart Sams" and thinking on my bikepacking trip yesterday, "They have
expanded to be about the same as the Smart Sams, but with smaller knobbi
Deacon, how much did they expand? I wish I would have measured mine when I
installed them. They are tight in my Atlantis. I've ground to a halt
once when I hit some wet mud already. Really pushing the limits of my frame
with these :)
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> I
I haven't measured them but my Thunder Burts have less clearance now after
150ish miles than they did at first, at 30 psi. So they do grow in size
with inflation and use, which seems typical of a more supple tire. Size
accordingly.
With abandon,
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Looks like Schwalbe is now offering the Thunder Burt in 29 X 2.25" ! Very
exciting for those looking for even more volume! http://bit.ly/1H1SrjZ
I already have a super duper 3" knobby (Bontrager Chupacabra) so I'll be
passing on these, but I'm looking forward to trying to run Super Motos tubeles
Mike,
I have the 2.25" tires in my 58cm Atlantis. Been there about a month. They
are AWESOME. They roll way way faster than Rock N Roads or WTB 2.1 Nano's,
the only two tires I've used in my Atlantis so far.
I only wish I would have found them for as cheap as listed here. I think I
paid arou
Mike,
I have the 2.25" tires in my 58cm Atlantis. Been there about a month. They
are AWESOME. They roll way way faster than Rock N Roads or WTB 2.1 Nano's,
the only two tires I've used in my Atlantis so far.
I only wish I would have found them for as cheap as listed here. I think I
paid arou
I have the Performance line right now. They're fine, but not tubeless
ready. If you don't plan on going tubeless, I'd say get the cheaper/lighter
Performance. Snakeskin means an extra layer of material on the sidewalls.
Very useful if you ride in areas w/ sharp rocks that damage tires
regularly. Al
Tony-
You have some apples and oranges going on here.
>
> http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/schwalbe-thunder-burt-evo-snakeskin-pacestar-27%2C5x2%2C25-tl-easy-folding-444604/wg_id-8913
> -540grams, $37
>
>
The "evolution" tire you linked to is 2.25" wide, but the "performance" one
is 2.1" wide.
Hugh or anyone else who can answer
http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/schwalbe-thunder-burt-evo-snakeskin-pacestar-27%2C5x2%2C25-tl-easy-folding-444604/wg_id-8913
-540grams, $37
vs
http://www.bike-discount.de/en/buy/schwalbe-thunder-burt-performance-dc-650b-27%2C5-x-2%2C10-98533/wg_id-238
Look, Schwalbe is offering the Thunder Burt as a 29 X 2.25" model now! Even
more volume for super-cush All-Road and trails riding!
http://www.schwalbe.com/en/offroad-reader/thunder-burt.html
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Liesl,
I just received by TB's and promptly mounted them on my '03 Atlantis
running 26" wheels and took it for a spin today. My initial reaction is
damn wow! I road mixed terrain, mostly sandy loose trail with some fist
sized rocks. Right off the bat I was amazed how fast they rolled over
asphalt
Liesl, When I talked with the folks at Riv (I don't remember who), they
said Big Ben would not be as supple but would have more protection.
I have to say, given what I put the tires through on my abbreviated tour,
if you aren't flat prone, you would love these. I'm considering taking the
Hunqap
I'm intrigued! Can anyone compare how's the clearance for fenders with Big
Ben v. Thunder Burts? And thoughts about the TB's as a commuter tire,
summer and winter both? The reduction in weight is of great interest. I
run 26" BB's on the wee but long custom and *love* the ride (and that I can
I will have a better report after the Oregon Outback, but I've been
commuting and done a couple 25+ mile rides with gravel on the Hunqa with
tubeless Thunder Burts (TLR, not Snakeskin), and they are great so far. I
do ~30/40 front/rear PSI, and no flats or problems thus far. Probably have
400
Mud report: 2.1" Thunder Burts float over the mud compared to Smart Sams. I
was stunningly fast climbing up muddy roads and trails (sinking in an inch
plus when I stopped and stood on the road or trail, often quite a bit more,
once in something akin to quicksand made from clay and decomposed gra
Tubeless: I've debated this and doubt I'll try it. Too fussy when the tire
comes off if I'm in the middle of nowhere. I'm running them at 30 PSI and
they handled 40+ MPH (no idea of exact speed as I don't use a computer)
curvy mountain descents fantastically, on both dirt and asphalt.
With aban
I rode Dureme 50's for the first 2 years, Smart Sam 2.25 front/2.1 rear for
the last year. Interestingly, I'd put the Smart Sams on par with the smooth
ride of Clement MSO 60 TPI. I'm debating when it is time to replace the
QB's tires if I go Barlow Pass or MSO 120/dual compound. Since the Burts
One last remark: I'm not hugely experienced with different tire brands and
models, but I have used many Schwalbes, and I daresay that this company is
easily in the top 3, if not #1 outright, when it comes to Intelligent
Design -- of tires that are durable and comfortable and fast rolling at
reasona
I see that my story idea outran my narrative talent. I meant to say: I got
pleasantly lost, and was pleasantly surprised to find myself heading North
when I thought I had been riding East -- interesting how familiar landmarks
(in this case a certain section of the very familiar Rio Grande
recreatio
What were you using before? Sorry, I missed that part of the conversation.
I must keep those in mind for the Fargo, though I seem to be going in a
more roady direction with that bike: from 37 lb and 12 psi 65 mm tires to
28 lb and skinny little 51 mm tires (tho' I just checked pressure after 19
mi
Wow! Holy Smokes! Gadzooks! Absolutely amazing. Wow!
All surfaces are smoother, faster, grippier, more sure. Butter.
Now, lets hope they last at least a year. Sardonic grin. Photo (and the
next three to the left):
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16724441584/
With abandon,
Patrick
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I've damaged plenty of sidewalls, but the only time it ever mattered was
when riding tubeless. The Snakeskin sidewalls are fine, but you'll be
sacrificing a bit of suppleness. Definitely gaining protection in the
bargain, so nothing wrong with that!
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Deacon Patrick
I suspect you're right, David. It may be overkill having the snakeskin.
That's what I get for reading so many reviews from people I don't know (I
at least feel like I know you all a bit) who tore their sidewalls on rocky
trails. The Smart Sam's have a beefier casing, but none of the protection,
I don't think the Snakeskin sidewalls are really needed unless you're
running tubeless. Weak sidewalls are the bane of a tubeless system, but
with tubes, it's not really a problem. YMMV.
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> We'll get to try them together, Hugh! Here's what sol
We'll get to try them together, Hugh! Here's what sold me on supple as a
priority for tires:
-- I put on and rode my well worn Duremes 50mm on my Hunqapillar. I rode
the 5 mile trail and dirt road I ride to get anywhere. The ride was more
jarring than on the Quickbeam Clement MSO's (which are r
Funny I'm waiting to get my 26 x 2.1 TB's. I've had the same questions and
hoping for the best! I elected to go with the snake skin side wall for
added puncture protection and still I'm shaving a little more than two
pounds of ( currently running Big Ben's 910 grams each) rotational weight.
Gla
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