[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-21 Thread cyclotourist
Hah! The Woodchipper is mounted on the Fargo bike: http://www.salsacycles.com/amigos/2009/10/interbike-follow-up-new-woodchipper-bar.html Look like the flare starts at the bottom of the drop as opposed to the Midge/Garys. I like that more as I can use the brake levers position more, which doesn'

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-21 Thread cyclotourist
Cool, thanks Todd! They're really hard to find... my LBS guy just stared at me blankly when I asked about availability... On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:30 AM, ToddBS wrote: > > On Oct 20, 8:33 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > I already have some Gary bars (Origin 8) so I'll use 'em. Glad Salsa is > >

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-21 Thread EricP
Yes, that is an advantage of threaded and quill stems. But I'm one of the few that seems to adjust stem/handlebar height as the mood/whim hits. It can be done with a threadless setup. Two options, with spacer(s) above the stem (inelegant looking but structurally strong), or with a steerer exten

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-21 Thread usuk2007
Yes, now we're on the same page. Of course after you cut that steerer the threadless approach doesn't give you much upwards adjustment. That's where I feel the threaded approach wins out. On Oct 21, 10:01 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > "I'm not sure I get this. You can uses spacers w

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
"I'm not sure I get this. You can uses spacers with a threaded headset too. " Threaded steerers tend to be sized to the frame - i.e. the steerer is roughly 4-7 cm longer than the headtube to take up the stack height of the headset (30-50 mm) and maybe a few 5 mm spacers and/or a cable hanger, lea

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-21 Thread Earl Grey
> Am I missing any other options (low cost, steel, 29ers > that take cantis)? You might have a hard time finding one, but the 1990 Fisher Sphinx fits your description. It's been my main bike for the last 18 years, and has served well from single track to road club rides to centuries to loaded tou

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-21 Thread usuk2007
I'm not sure I get this. You can uses spacers with a threaded headset too. On Oct 20, 11:23 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Actually what I was trying to say was that the frame size does NOT > affect the handlebar height, provided you start with an uncut steerer > and can tolerate a st

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-21 Thread ToddBS
On Oct 20, 8:33 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > I already have some Gary bars (Origin 8) so I'll use 'em.  Glad Salsa is > selling some drops.  Wish OnOne weren't so difficult to get hold of in the > States... I bought my Midge bars from these folks: http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-4108-on-one-midg

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread cyclotourist
I already have some Gary bars (Origin 8) so I'll use 'em. Glad Salsa is selling some drops. Wish OnOne weren't so difficult to get hold of in the States... On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Mike wrote: > > Hey David, be sure to check out the MTBR Surly forum. There's tons of > info there and I'

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread cyclotourist
Bike in the top pic is awesome, just what I'm thinking of! On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:13 AM, james black wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 07:26, cyclotourist > wrote: > > So you're thinking 20 is better? That's why I asked the Bicycle Experts > > Inc. Does it make a difference that I'm p

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread cyclotourist
I just got home, and had an email from the good people at Surley that suggested the 18" w/ Midge bars, 20" with regular bars. I'll definitely be using Midge/other drops, so will report back to the group! THANKS On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:25 PM, ToddBS wrote: > > Have you taken a look at this bi

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread cyclotourist
A, thanks for the clarification, I get it now. Spacers don't bug me too much On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < thill@gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually what I was trying to say was that the frame size does NOT > affect the handlebar height, provided you star

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread ToddBS
Ahh, never mind on the Vassago. I see that it only has V-brake mounts and not canti studs. On Oct 20, 8:25 pm, ToddBS wrote: > Have you taken a look at this bike? > > http://vassagocycles.com/fisty.html > > It seems to fit what you are looking for.  I'm not trying to talk you > out of the KM th

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread ToddBS
Have you taken a look at this bike? http://vassagocycles.com/fisty.html It seems to fit what you are looking for. I'm not trying to talk you out of the KM though. I do love the KM quite a bit. If you do plan on running Midge bars, I wouldn't go over the 20" frame. Maybe even look at the 18".

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread Mike
Hey David, be sure to check out the MTBR Surly forum. There's tons of info there and I've seen pictures of KMs with drop bars. Are you aware of these (scroll to the bottom and you'll see what I'm talking about)? http://salsacycles.com/handlebars_mtn.html A drop bar KM will be killer and I bet y

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread james black
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 07:26, cyclotourist wrote: > So you're thinking 20 is better?  That's why I asked the Bicycle Experts > Inc.  Does it make a difference that I'm planning on using Midge/Gary > bars? I would suggest the 20" for you. I used to have a 20" SKM with dirt drop bars, for ref

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Actually what I was trying to say was that the frame size does NOT affect the handlebar height, provided you start with an uncut steerer and can tolerate a stack of headset spacers. This is a key difference between threadless and threaded, and one that is often misunderstood. On Oct 20, 9:35 am,

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread cyclotourist
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Chuck wrote: > > On Oct 19, 11:29 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > Hey Bicycle experts, just for kicks, if I ride a 62cm framed Rivendell > > designed bike, what would be the proper sized Karate Monkey for me, an 18 > or > > a 20"? > > > > The KMs seem to be the only

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread Chuck
On Oct 19, 11:29 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > Hey Bicycle experts, just for kicks, if I ride a 62cm framed Rivendell > designed bike, what would be the proper sized Karate Monkey for me, an 18 or > a 20"? > > The KMs seem to be the only production 29er frames out there with canti > bosses.  Gunnar R

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread cyclotourist
The 29er Bombadil is just too big for me and I don't want to invest in another wheelset for the 56cm. I'll probably pick up a used one someday, but until then, I have a really nice Phil/Bontrager 29er wheelset waiting for a frame! On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:51 AM, Mike wrote: > > Dude, go with

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread cyclotourist
So you're thinking 20 is better? That's why I asked the Bicycle Experts Inc. Does it make a difference that I'm planning on using Midge/Gary bars? I looked at Voodoo but their canti attachments are an ugly afterthough on the frame, plus it has too much slope on it's top tube. Looks more lik

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread Mike
Dude, go with the 20". I guess you're not getting a Bombadil? On Oct 20, 3:47 am, Eric Daume wrote: > Don't forget that Surlys run big--they measure to the top of the top tube, > not the top of the seat tube as most others do. I think a 20" KM would be > right. 22" is huge. > > Soma and Voodoo

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-20 Thread Eric Daume
Don't forget that Surlys run big--they measure to the top of the top tube, not the top of the seat tube as most others do. I think a 20" KM would be right. 22" is huge. Soma and Voodoo also make canti 29ers. Gunnar will add canti studs for $75--I bought a used Rockhound that has them. Eric Dublin

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-19 Thread cyclotourist
Interesting, I didn't even consider the 22". I gave up worrying about my crotch long ago. I found it takes admirable care of itself just fine, thank you. Much to ponder this evening, much to ponder... THANKS On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < thill@gmail.com>

[RBW] Re: RBW sizing compared to Surly KM

2009-10-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I'd suggest 20" if you're a crotch-worrier, or 22" if you're not. I would ride an 18" myself, and you're about a foot taller than me. Since all of the sizes have the same steerer length, the bigger sizes will let you get the bar higher without so many unsightly spacers, but the bar/saddle/pedal r