Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub?

2015-01-08 Thread Tony DeFilippo
IRD released an updated FW design they are calling Classica and they are still closing out their earlier design Defiant at around $33 a FW. It'll be a while before I build the wheel up so I'm not in a rush. I'd be happy to help someone clean out their garage to finish this project though! **

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2015-01-08 Thread Matthew J
> That's interesting. What about the Interloc Racing (IRD)'s freewheels: When they first came out there were the internet lit up with quality complaints. The pawls would strip and many noted uneven spacing between the cogs. Mike Kone of Boulder Bicycle / Rene Herse Custom Bicycle says the curr

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2015-01-07 Thread Brewster Fong
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 11:22:16 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > For me the big risk is that nobody makes a good freewheel. For good > freewheels, you are stuck trolling the NOS market, for the most part, or > accepting the Shimanopore quality level. > That's interesting. What about

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2015-01-07 Thread Bill Lindsay
For me the big risk is that nobody makes a good freewheel. For good freewheels, you are stuck trolling the NOS market, for the most part, or accepting the Shimanopore quality level. The secondary risk is that when freewheel hubs first stretched to 130mm people had more problems with axles be

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2015-01-07 Thread drew beckmeyer
yeah, this is really interesting. i dont need a wheel built or anything, but this hub seems like something nice to have around in case. i dont know anything about this sort of adjustable axle. can anyone testify to potential downsides of this design? On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 4:23:26 AM

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2011-02-19 Thread Justin August
This is one of those "this is why we miss Sheldon" conversations. -Justin "Pick up some Sheldon fender nuts today" August On Feb 19, 12:43 pm, bfd wrote: > On Feb 18, 7:04 pm, EricP wrote:> Interesting.  As in the > 1980's I often could bend "oversized" solid > > axles.  As in the ones with fl

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2011-02-19 Thread bfd
On Feb 18, 7:04 pm, EricP wrote: > Interesting.  As in the 1980's I often could bend "oversized" solid > axles.  As in the ones with flats on two sides to fit in the > dropouts.  Then it was purely the metal quality. Cro-mo versus mild > steel. > May be it was metal quality. I never broke or don

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2011-02-19 Thread bfd
On Feb 18, 6:49 pm, benzzoy wrote: > On Feb 17, 9:02 pm, bfd wrote: > > > On Feb 17, 8:28 pm, benzzoy wrote:> I don't know if > > it's solely about the "over locknut" dimension. > > > Except for most Shimano cassette hubs, all other cassette hubs also > > > have the right side bearings (that

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2011-02-18 Thread EricP
Interesting. As in the 1980's I often could bend "oversized" solid axles. As in the ones with flats on two sides to fit in the dropouts. Then it was purely the metal quality. Cro-mo versus mild steel. As to Campy, only have a passing knowledge of the brand. My actual ownership has been limited

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2011-02-18 Thread benzzoy
On Feb 17, 9:02 pm, bfd wrote: > On Feb 17, 8:28 pm, benzzoy wrote:> I don't know if it's > solely about the "over locknut" dimension. > > Except for most Shimano cassette hubs, all other cassette hubs also > > have the right side bearings (that supports the hub body) very close > > to the cente

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2011-02-18 Thread Philip Williamson
> > Why start at 121 spacing and not 120? > > Wondered that myself.  Probably has something to do with the unique > design requirements.  There should not be any problems with fitting a > 121 hub on a 120 bike anyway. My two roadish bikes have 120mm spacing. I would have no problem spreading eithe

Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub

2011-02-18 Thread Jason Hartman
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 11:28 PM, benzzoy wrote: > I don't know if it's solely about the "over locknut" dimension. > Except for most Shimano cassette hubs, all other cassette hubs also > have the right side bearings (that supports the hub body) very close > to the centerline of the axle. > > Shim

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2011-02-18 Thread JoelMatthews
> Why start at 121 spacing and not 120? Wondered that myself. Probably has something to do with the unique design requirements. There should not be any problems with fitting a 121 hub on a 120 bike anyway. I certainly have no need for these hubs at the moment. They are fascinating and I am som

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2011-02-17 Thread bfd
On Feb 17, 4:39 pm, EricP wrote: > Have not had a problem with a cassette hub.  Have also not had a > problem with my Phil FW hub on my Sam Hillborne.   I think the reason why you haven't had a problem with your Phil Wood fw hub is because of the oversized axle used by Phil. Like Campy cassett

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2011-02-17 Thread bfd
On Feb 17, 8:28 pm, benzzoy wrote: > I don't know if it's solely about the "over locknut" dimension. > Except for most Shimano cassette hubs, all other cassette hubs also > have the right side bearings (that supports the hub body) very close > to the centerline of the axle. > You appear to have

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2011-02-17 Thread benzzoy
I don't know if it's solely about the "over locknut" dimension. Except for most Shimano cassette hubs, all other cassette hubs also have the right side bearings (that supports the hub body) very close to the centerline of the axle. Shimano has a patent on attaching the hub body to the freehub and

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2011-02-17 Thread JL
Why start at 121 spacing and not 120? If 130 and 135 are options then it isn't a question of that extra mm used to get to 126mm from 125. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch

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2011-02-17 Thread EricP
Back in the 1980's (before the big layoff from cycling) used to regularly bend and/or break rear freewheel hub axles. Usually low level Shimano or Suntour. Including Suntour XC. Back then my weight was about 190. My low tech solution - replace the cones and axles with nutted solid axles. Cro-m

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2011-02-17 Thread bfd
On Feb 17, 2:35 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Don't you ride maxi-car fw hubs? If so, those never break either! > > Yes.  So admittedly I am not the best person to talk about run of the > mill FW hubs as MaxiCar are head and shoulders above the rest when it > comes to longevity.  Still, I accept t

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2011-02-17 Thread JoelMatthews
> Don't you ride maxi-car fw hubs? If so, those never break either! Yes. So admittedly I am not the best person to talk about run of the mill FW hubs as MaxiCar are head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to longevity. Still, I accept that in the day there were plenty of hollow axle hubs

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2011-02-17 Thread bfd
On Feb 17, 9:28 am, JoelMatthews wrote: > > No problem. I presume you're a lightweight as I broken 3 rear axles, > > including 2 Campy and 1 wheel mfg, in about a 2 year period when I > > decided to switch to cassette rear hub. That was back in 1997 and I > > haven't broken an axle yet. May be i

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2011-02-17 Thread JoelMatthews
> No problem. I presume you're a lightweight as I broken 3 rear axles, > including 2 Campy and 1 wheel mfg, in about a 2 year period when I > decided to switch to cassette rear hub. That was back in 1997 and I > haven't broken an axle yet. May be it was the C-Record rear hub > design, bad luck with

Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub

2011-02-17 Thread Jason Hartman
Chainline is not really the problem. It's keeping the rim centered between the dropouts and in plane with front wheel Jay hartman Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2011, at 10:17 AM, newenglandbike wrote: > Yes, if you are especially assiduous about your chainline.for me > it would be relativ

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2011-02-17 Thread bfd
On Feb 15, 6:36 pm, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Interesting. Is that an oversized axle? If not, does anyone know how > > he addresses the broken axle issue with freewheel hubs. > > Good Luck! > > Yeah thanks.  Cause everyone knows in the 40 years or so that > freewheel hubs were the default cyclists

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2011-02-17 Thread newenglandbike
Yes, if you are especially assiduous about your chainline.for me it would be relatively easy to go from say 121 to 126 with an adjustment of the derailers. On Feb 17, 9:45 am, Jason Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:25

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2011-02-17 Thread newenglandbike
good point, but a redish can be done; we have the technology :) On Feb 17, 9:45 am, Jason Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:25 AM, newenglandbike > > wrote: > > >> Wow, that's great.    I love the adjustable spacing too-

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2011-02-17 Thread newenglandbike
Although, you have a point about rim position.OTOH, re-dish is quicker than rebuild with different hub On Feb 17, 9:45 am, Jason Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:25 AM, newenglandbike > > wrote: > > >> Wow, that's grea

Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub

2011-02-17 Thread Jason Hartman
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Jason Hartman wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:25 AM, newenglandbike > wrote: > >> Wow, that's great.I love the adjustable spacing too- to me that >> gives it so much extra value for the $$, since it would be that much >> easier to swap among bikes. >>

Re: [RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub

2011-02-17 Thread Jason Hartman
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 7:25 AM, newenglandbike wrote: > Wow, that's great.I love the adjustable spacing too- to me that > gives it so much extra value for the $$, since it would be that much > easier to swap among bikes. > If it's already built into a wheel then you would have to re-dish ev

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2011-02-16 Thread newenglandbike
Wow, that's great.I love the adjustable spacing too- to me that gives it so much extra value for the $$, since it would be that much easier to swap among bikes. On Feb 15, 6:30 pm, Michael_S wrote: > Has anyone seen the new Paul Jono freewheel hub?  MUSA and pretty > clever and not even tha

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2011-02-15 Thread JoelMatthews
These would have come in handy on my Raleigh Supercourse restoration last summer. The hubs I planned to use were from a Supercourse made the same year as the frame I was working. Raleigh being Raleigh, the project frame chain stays were too narrow. I had to take the frame to the LBS and cold spr

[RBW] Re: Paul Jono Hub

2011-02-15 Thread JoelMatthews
> Interesting. Is that an oversized axle? If not, does anyone know how > he addresses the broken axle issue with freewheel hubs. > Good Luck! Yeah thanks. Cause everyone knows in the 40 years or so that freewheel hubs were the default cyclists couldn't go half a mile with a broken axle. Sheesh!

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2011-02-15 Thread rperks
I have been looking into them a bit. if you look at the parts pile here: http://www.paulcomp.com/images/jonohubd1full.png it appears that these, while flexible in spacing, have different left and right end cap fitting design. While the phil endcaps are not cheap, you have almost infinate flexibil

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2011-02-15 Thread William
> Interesting. Is that an oversized axle? If not, does anyone know how > he addresses the broken axle issue with freewheel hubs. > Good Luck! The folks at Paul are very helpful. Give them a call and ask them. Here's the contact information: Address:Paul Component Engineering 11204 Midwa

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2011-02-15 Thread bfd
On Feb 15, 3:30 pm, Michael_S wrote: > Has anyone seen the new Paul Jono freewheel hub?  MUSA and pretty > clever and not even that pricey.http://www.paulcomp.com/jonohub.html > > With IRD making Freewheels again it is a workable alternate to the > 10-11 speed world. > I just love the new/old te

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2011-02-15 Thread William
Reading the blurb I felt like Paul was looking into my soul.. "Face it, you're a bike person, a total bike dork, freak and hard core bike tinkerer." It was like getting a tarot reading. Creepy On Feb 15, 3:30 pm, Michael_S wrote: > Has anyone seen the new Paul Jono freewheel hub?  MUSA and