[RBW] Re: New frame day: Charlie H Gallop and a weight weenie Riv build status

Riv has updated the Gallop page to reflect the weight that I measured. Wink! BL in EC On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 4:42:34 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I picked up my 57 Gallop frame today. I told Will and Roman about my > weight weenie build intentions, and they were entertained. Wi

[RBW] Re: New frame day: Charlie H Gallop and a weight weenie Riv build status

"Dang that's a boat anchor!" In truth, it is not a boat anchor. Neither is your Roadini. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 10:00:35 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote: > The frame though was a full 2528g with the headset cups still pressed in. > That's about a half-p

[RBW] Re: New frame day: Charlie H Gallop and a weight weenie Riv build status

The frame though was a full 2528g with the headset cups still pressed in. That's about a half-pound heavier than the claim on the webpage. That's also about 1/4 pound lighter than my RoadUno frame, and about 3/4 pound heavier than my Roadeo frame. Dang that's a boat anchor! The Ritchey M

[RBW] Re: New frame day: Charlie H Gallop and a weight weenie Riv build status

Congrats! My 57 has a fully 1 kg fork, 2 kg frame. Built up into 25 lbs with a heavy Salsa stem (130 mm) and swept back bar, Kalloy post, Brompton saddle, 32* CXP33xDA wheels with 40 mm Conti “basketball” tires with butyl tubes — an upgrade from a normal Riv build, but nothing extraordinary.

[RBW] Re: New frame day: Charlie H Gallop and a weight weenie Riv build status

It's a single Ti King Cage as it is. 28 grams. Bike weigh-ins never include bottles. :-). BL in EC On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 4:58:39 PM UTC-8 nlerner wrote: > Bill, I think you'll need to skip water bottles and cages and go with a > Camelback. > > Neal Lerner > Brookline MA > > On Mo

[RBW] Re: New frame day: Charlie H Gallop and a weight weenie Riv build status

Bill, I think you'll need to skip water bottles and cages and go with a Camelback. Neal Lerner Brookline MA On Monday, December 16, 2024 at 7:42:34 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I picked up my 57 Gallop frame today. I told Will and Roman about my > weight weenie build intentions, and they we

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Yes Plumber, please share your wife's bike photos! You won't be stealing Bill's pink bike thunder if you make your own post... On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-8 plumber...@gmail.com wrote: > Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I too > recently pi

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

wow...what a dream bike! congrats. On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 2:43:01 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I expect 700x38 Barlow Pass will fit without fenders. I test fit a Barlow > Pass wheel on the front and there's room. > > Honestly I'm probably going to get the Orondo Grade 700x31 tubele

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

I expect 700x38 Barlow Pass will fit without fenders. I test fit a Barlow Pass wheel on the front and there's room. Honestly I'm probably going to get the Orondo Grade 700x31 tubeless and leave it that way with fenders, semi-permanently. The build right now has used 700x32 Stampede Pass.

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Very classy build, Bill! I love the boldness of the pink and the contrast with the cream. Do you know what your max tire size will be with/without fenders? And I assume its built for a 700c wheel? Can't wait to see it with fenders! On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:55:16 PM UTC-6 plumber...@gm

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Good call I think I’ll hold off for a little until I start building and have some more content to share with the group. Enjoy the new ride Bill! On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 8:12 PM Bill Lindsay wrote: > Start another thread! Participants on this group love seeing photos of > other people's bikes.

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Start another thread! Participants on this group love seeing photos of other people's bikes. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 10:58:41 AM UTC-8 plumber...@gmail.com wrote: > Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I too > recently pick

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Lovely custom and selection can’t wait to see the finished project! I too recently picked up my wife’s frame that was painted by Rick at D&D. Had to do my best not to chime in with photos and disrupt your thread here. On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 7:50 PM Matthew Rebmann wrote: > The color isn't my cu

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

The color isn't my cup of tea either but I absolutely love that you went above and beyond for it. That's a sick build! On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote: > I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of > components (I wouldn't be able to t

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

I agree with other commenters - a very nice build and selection of components (I wouldn't be able to tolerate that ass-hatchet saddle, though. It would get me right where my sciatica flares up). I'm still not entirely on board with the frame/fender color, though, but to each his own. On Sunday

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Bill, beautifully done! Those color matched Honjos are going to be the piece de resistance!!! Pardon me now while I mop up the puddle of drool from my keyboard. On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 12:20:03 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > We have a huge glass jug (two of them actually) where every

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

We have a huge glass jug (two of them actually) where every cork goes. I just shop from those jugs for the right outside diameter. About 80% of wine corks are too wide. I've got a pretty good eye for picking out the ones that'll work, and it is entirely as a mechanic would think of them. Th

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Something local like a Napa Valley rose ?? " Located just north of St. Helena, this state-of-the-art winery features 17,000 square feet of winemaking caves and has three different vineyard AVAs. The *2022 Rosé of Pinot Noir* is summer in a bottle, with tastes of sweet watermelon and pink grapef

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Congratulations on the new bike Bill. I always look forward to seeing your builds. Since there appear to be no existing Velominati rules that govern the use of wine corks for bar ends, is it up to us (RBW Owners Bunch) to create them? I am inventing the role of Velosommolier. - Must the wine b

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Wine corks go in the bar ends after more shellac BL in EC On Monday, February 19, 2024 at 5:59:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote: > The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8 works! Noticed the > unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't > overlooked. Nitto barend plugs

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

The black tape/saddle/bottle cage combo as per rule#8 works! Noticed the unplugged barends but I am positive this is a detail you haven't overlooked. Nitto barend plugs? Or something from Rene Herse? On Sunday, February 18, 2024 at 6:52:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote: > The pre-fenders build

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

The pre-fenders build is now complete. It's pouring rain so there's no inaugural ride and the lighting is poor but I took a few shots on my porch of the bike looking like a complete bike. With two water bottle cages, and a pump, and a front rack the bike is still just under 20 pounds, but I c

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Rule #9 is on my Mount Rushmore of the Rules. If I get caught in the rain, I get Rule #9 points. It's not bad planning; I'm a badass! BL in EC On Saturday, February 17, 2024 at 10:48:52 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote: > I only know Rule #8 and Rule #5 by heart, and I flout them both. > Exce

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Huh. I'm not familiar with Rene Hearse brakes. Pads with adjustable conical washers are not available for these? Seems like bending an aluminum alloy part like this would be kinda risky. On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:24:15 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

I only know Rule #8 and Rule #5 by heart, and I flout them both. Except when I don’t. Philip (surprisingly matchy-matchy on #8) in Sonoma County On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:24:15 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati. It's a somewhat tongue > in c

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

U R welcome, Steve. The Velominati Rules are a hoot. Required reading 4 sure. And do not mess with the rules 🤪 !!! Jock On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:55 PM Steve wrote: > I sheepishly asked "What is this rule #8...?" > Now I know -- and not just #8, but all 95 of them! Thank you Bill & John > Dew

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

I sheepishly asked "What is this rule #8...?" Now I know -- and not just #8, but all 95 of them! Thank you Bill & John Dewey for the illuminating me about the Velominati --- but now I can't stop giggling. On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 3:31:58 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Yes, I've modifie

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Yes, I've modified my Wahoo mount to bolt on to that boss. I have that feature on two of my three custom Nobilette stems. BL in EC On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 12:16:34 PM UTC-8 Collin A wrote: > I'm curious about the threaded boss on the stem, I would've thought it > would be for the br

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

I'm curious about the threaded boss on the stem, I would've thought it would be for the brake cable, but it doesn't go all the way through! I'm guessing for a GPS mount? Collin On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, ste

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

When I inspected the frame at Riv prior to paint, they asked if I wanted to take the fork to the grinding wheel, but I didn't do it at that time. I prefer to do delicate maneuvers like that in my own work space in my own time. One thing people do sometimes is completely clear the dropout faces

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

The inaugural ride will be back to Riv HQ so they can photograph it. I'll probably take it on my March Diablo Summit as well BL in EC On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:52:20 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: > Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a > j

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

"...and indeed grinding off the lawyer lips..." ??? I would'a thought you'd have ground those off before it was painted. You must have some touch up paint of the same color. On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 10:24:15 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote: > Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Pretty fabulous! Can’t believe how quick you put that together. Like a jackrabbit on a date, as they say! I’m excited to see all the little details at the end, oh please let them be sparkly. Where will the inaugural ride take you? On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:24:15 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay w

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati. It's a somewhat tongue in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles. Rule #8 just states that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and deliberatel

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Wow! and that stem is gorgeous. On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 11:16:21 AM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote: > https://www.velominati.com > > > On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:20 AM Steve wrote: > >> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak? >> >> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 P

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

https://www.velominati.com On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 7:20 AM Steve wrote: > Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak? > > On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > >> SMH >> >> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Oh man that is an absolutely stunning Riv in a world full of stunning Rivs. Holy cow. Thanks for continuing the updates too. It's been a pleasure to follow along. Was that bit of art with the cat in the bed what you delivered for color inspiration? On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 9:20:01 AM UTC

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak? On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > SMH > > Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule #8, > and then recite Rule #8 > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Thursday, Feb

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

SMH Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule #8, and then recite Rule #8 Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote: > I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge! > > Toshi > > -- You received this message

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I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge! Toshi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To v

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

What a beauty. Love that stem! On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:08:10 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I'm planning on selling my build list for $50, to help offset the price of > the bicycle. For an extra $25 I will autograph that build list. > > Those are not Highway One bars. > > Bill L

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

The biggest surprise I'm awaiting is the color of the bar tape. I'm expecting pink (or at least light red) and white splash. Maybe you should start a lottery for the build specs instead of a flat charge. He/she who guesses the bestist wins the mostest. On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 4:08:1

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

I'm planning on selling my build list for $50, to help offset the price of the bicycle. For an extra $25 I will autograph that build list. Those are not Highway One bars. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 1:58:28 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote: > Are you planning

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Incredible Bill! Can't wait to see the build progress. On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 4:58:28 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote: > Are you planning to provide a component list (make & model) when you're > done with the build (e.g., are those Highway One bars?) > > On Thursday, February 15, 2024 a

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Are you planning to provide a component list (make & model) when you're done with the build (e.g., are those Highway One bars?) On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 1:49:24 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at > Riv HQ. I took sev

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Looks amazing!!  Looking forward to the final version!What’s the brazon for under the fork crown?Love the brazed-on rear cable adjuster. Very cool add-on!!Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 15, 2024, at 4:31 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:I've got a decent start at it now:   Untitled | Hillbubba | FlickrBill Lin

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

I've got a decent start at it now: Untitled | Hillbubba | Flickr Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 12:34:26 PM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote: > Very slick frame. When do you plan to bu

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

Very slick frame. When do you plan to build it up? On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 11:49:24 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote: > I picked up my Pink Roadeo frame, fork, stem and fenders this morning at > Riv HQ. I took several photos and added them to my Flickr album with no > commentary (yet): >

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day

Please keep us posted with pictures as your bike comes together. I agree with Leah that planning the bike is part of the fun. Having people to bounce ideas off of has been such a fun way for me to consider new things. I've always been an Albatross/Billie bar person and am about to try Choco bar

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day

Yeah, new rivSister. While Leah’s bike is colorful, mine is subdued — colors of black, white and silver. And mermaid green. Im looking forward seeing your vision. Roberta On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 10:33:25 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote: > Thanks for your input Bicycle Belle. I do own a few pu

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day

Thanks for your input Bicycle Belle. I do own a few purple shirts but a purple bike would be too much for me! I have a bright blue Velo Orange mixte with orange lettering which is the one I ride to the grocery store and wouldn't mind if it got stolen. I never did care for the color but there we

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day

Happy NBD, RivSister! I really hope you will keep thinking aloud about your parts and colors and keep us in hearing of it. I think planning the bike build is as fun as actually getting it. And I love a Platypus. So beautiful. And you can go any direction with a Platy, I think. I have a 50 in pu

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Hi Laing, Just want to say — that frame is BEAUTIFUL and I love the rack up front. Can't wait to se this bike all finished. Awesome! Paul On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:17:50 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote: > > Last March Grant had this frame on the Blahg and I knew that I had to have > it,

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Good to see this frame reappear after Grant's posting several months ago. I was very intrigued by it. What is the headtube length out of curiosity. Thanks. On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 10:24:04 UTC-7 lconley wrote: > Yes, especially on Rivs which have longer threaded sections on the fork,

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Yes, especially on Rivs which have longer threaded sections on the fork, due to the extension of the steerer above the headset. I hold the stem up to the bike to see where it must be to get the wedge below the headset. Usually need to drop the stem another 1/4" to 1/2" below the minimum inserti

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Nice bike/build, Laing. Just a reminder to be careful with shorter-quill stems, that the wedge isn't landing in the threaded portion of the steerer. =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 9/8/20, lconley wrote: > [image: IMG_0686.jpg] > > Sorry for the sideways picture. This shows the rack bolted to

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

I imagine the swoop of the top tube matches the golden curve. It is beautiful. Let us know how it rides with a load! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving em

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Sounds like its going to be a perfect fit for you! Cant wait to see the finished build. Such a cool, cool bike! On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 7:33:03 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote: > I finished building the wheels for my Riv custom, so I decided to try them on the Cargo bike to see how big of

Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

That is cool as heck. Congrats. On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 9:41:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote: > This is from the Blahg that shows the four mounting points on the head > tube. Basically they used the Clem head tube "napkin rings" and mounted the > rack mounting points to the napkin rings: > >

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

No, this was a Grant designed custom built by Nobilette for Kevin, a former Riv employee, several years ago that evidently didn't get built exactly as intended. Earlier this year, Riv sent it to Taiwan to get standard Riv paint and then sold it to me. Laing On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Was this to be the original Anniversary bike? It's LOVELY. Happy hauling! Roberta On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:17:50 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote: > > Last March Grant had this frame on the Blahg and I knew that I had to have > it, so I pestered Riv until they sold it to me. I consider it to

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

So cool!! I hope they do a cargo-specific design some day... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.c

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Rear rack would only be for Vetta Box, not a big load. [image: Capture.JPG] Laing On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 9:43:57 AM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote: > Super cool. You're putting a rear rack on it? I wonder how it would feel > with a heavy load up front and in back? I put some

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Go Gators. UF graduate. On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY wrote: > P.S.- Knicks fan? > > >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

P.S.- Knicks fan? On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:17:50 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote: > > Last March Grant had this frame on the Blahg and I knew that I had to have > it, so I pestered Riv until they sold it to me. I consider it to be a true > mixte - low twin top tubes. My plans are to make it

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Super cool. You're putting a rear rack on it? I wonder how it would feel with a heavy load up front and in back? I put some ridiculously heavy loads on the front of my "mixtes" (one having been Marty's in the past!) avoiding the addition of rear loads for fear of frame waggle and what that might

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Last March Grant had this frame on the Blahg and I knew that I had to have > it, so I pestered Riv until they sold it to me. > This is one to watch! Really interesting one-of-one frame. Cool factor X11! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owner

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Glad to hear I'm not the only one with the consistent bike reconfiguration affliction, er, hobby. Trust me I do it, too. I sweat all those details to the extreme while I’m > doing the build. Then after I ride it a few times I remember that a pound > here or there doesn’t matter all that much i

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Bill said: "If I wanted a more expensive Leo, I’d probably let Grant design that for me." It's good of you to say that. At one time I considered having Grant's geometry replicated by another builder in welded lightweight tubing, but wouldn't do this without getting Grant's consent and probabl

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Jack confessed to being a little ashamed of weight weenie-ism. Trust me I do it, too. I sweat all those details to the extreme while I’m doing the build. Then after I ride it a few times I remember that a pound here or there doesn’t matter all that much if the ride is great. I worked hard to

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

I do have plans to order a frame or two from Steve Rex in Sacramento. I also have plans to someday order a frame from Jeff Lyon. If I buy a Lyon it will be a classic 650b Rando like ripped from the pages of BQ. He’s great at those and I think it’s a good idea to hire a builder to build something

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Bill, thanks for all the informative reporting on your 'Leo'. I've admired this bike from afar and you are making it very difficult for me to resist. The Roadini would be a replacement for my Nordavinden, which has not been ideal for purely subjective reasons. I was taken aback when you repor

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Christopher Murray asked me my PBH. 86cm. On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 8:50:51 AM UTC-7, Christopher Murray wrote: > > Thanks Bill! I just put my Roadini in the work stand to build up. What’s > your PBH? From your previous posts, I thought we were about the same size > and mine is a 54. > >

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Thanks Bill! I just put my Roadini in the work stand to build up. What’s your PBH? From your previous posts, I thought we were about the same size and mine is a 54. With only the bars, saddle, and wheels on the thing that strikes me is how high the handlebars are. The bars look almost level wi

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Read somewhere else online low is fast long is strong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.c

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

I hear you Austin. My issue exactly. Anti long and low! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To p

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

It’s the Leo’s stack height that did it for me. I’m on a 62cm frame with a stack height of 636mm + 50mm of spacers + a VO tall stack stem. I’m at the top of my uncut 350mm steerer tube and my bars are still not quite level with my saddle. There aren’t too many XL frames out there that get the s

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Leo is the best Thanks Bill On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 7:56:03 PM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote: > > Ugh Billyou are contunuously making me want to finally get the Leo. > Seems like everything I want in a road bike these days. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Ugh Billyou are contunuously making me want to finally get the Leo. Seems like everything I want in a road bike these days. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from i

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

I don't mind in the slightest if you refer to yours as "Leo". I'll be interested to see what the 'fill colors' will be in your decals. My fill colors on Grilver are red/green. The apparent fill colors on the blue are transparent/navy. I imagine orange might get transparent and navy as well,

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

^THIS^ is great stuff and is the answer to my "nuanced" questions I asked a couple posts ago. I'm not fast my most standards, but sometimes like to ride fast without being in a hurry (because as Jan H. says "Riding fast is fun"). Occasionally, I just want to push it and want the bike to to respo

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Followup ride reporting. I did my 40 mile 3000ft commute to Union City today on the Leo, and I did it "Full Send" as the kids like to say. In other words, I got after it. The executive summary is that the Leo is definitely a keeper. I set PR times on numerous sections that I've ridden many

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

I didnt know about the sparkling orange until now.oh man. Now I want one even more. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+un

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Hey Bill, is Inspiration Point that spot with the circular parking area at Tilden Park? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+uns

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Thanks for the reply, Bill. I appreciate the time you took and, despite your claims to not having the vocabulary to reply, your comments were much more helpful than you might think. I now have a clear preference on which frame to choose. Thanks again! Austin -- You received this message becau

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Austin asked for more nuanced comparisons than I have the vernacular to describe. So my short answer is that I have not found any discernible differences in 'Sportiness'. With stouter tubing, is the Roadini less flexible than the BMC? I don't know that the Leo has stouter tubing. If it does

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Hi Bill, I read your above thread and your initial ride report. I saw that you found the Roadini to be fast and stable. I am curious how it compares to your BMC in more specific ways which I attribute to "Sportiness" if you have found any to be discernible. With stouter tubing, is the Roadini

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Now that there is a forthcoming batch of Leos in orange, your decision should be even easier. BL in EC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Be my spirit guide, Bill! That's all I'm asking of ya! (I jest). I always appreciate your observations about bikes, and was curious about overall impressions, especially on handling. I've ridden enough bikes and know enough about my own style of riding that I wouldn't expect myself to be signif

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

John G asked if I had any more thoughts. I’m not sure what exactly you are after. Are you asking which frame is ‘better’? Are you asking which frame I like more? Are you asking which frame is faster? Are you asking which one is more comfortable or more versatile? If you want to buy one or

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Bill, any more thoughts on the Roadini vs Black Mtn Road? I went a size smaller than I should've on my Black Mtn, and I'm thinking of swapping its parts over to a 61cm Roadini. With a 90 pbh, I'm at the very lowest end of the range on a 61cm. On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 9:23:30 PM UTC-4, Bill Li

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Stoker asked whether I considered a stem with less rise. Yes, I considered purchasing a stem with less rise vs using the stem that I had. I elected to use the stem that I had on hand already, going for a less ‘racy’ position for the time being. I was going for a ‘sport touring’ setup in the clas

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Nice build. You mention the bars are higher than most of your other builds - curious if you considered a stem with less rise? Or were you specifically interested in a higher position? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsu

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

No offense taken. My given name is William. My grandfather was Will. I go by Bill or Bubba. Old high school friends call me Cat. Ex coworkers from the bike shop call me Blintz. The kids on the high school team are actively engineering a new nickname. My fake rapper name was “Vanilla Bean”. --

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Bill L. My apologies for referencing you as Will. Hope that does not ruin my credibility regarding appreciating your posts about the team. I stand by my harlequin theory however. Ryan “horrible with names” Hankinson Somewhere in Michigan. -- You received this message because you are subsc

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Regarding the tape pattern, I went with this one quite deliberately. The “Roadini” text on the downtube is filled with two tone red and green on one side. Red on top green on the bottom. On the other side of the downtube the full is reversed: green on top red on the bottom. The wrap matches thi

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

No Bill you are clearly mistaken. If William has done a diamond harlequin pattern the time would have been clearly faster. He mentioned 4 potential wrap configurations; I think the route should be attempted to fine the fastest bar tape. On a more serious note I commend and enjoy each story Wi

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

I think the Red-Green "tape effect" made that record possible. There's no other possible explanation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-ow

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

That's your daily view. Why do I live in Philadelphia, again? And congrats! Eric On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 1:18:02 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Pics or it didn't happen: > > >

[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

Pics or it didn't happen: Perfect day in El Cerrito On Sunday, May 27, 2018 at 10:15:02 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I took Leo out for a first ride this mor

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