Followup ride reporting.  I did my 40 mile 3000ft commute to Union City 
today on the Leo, and I did it "Full Send" as the kids like to say.  In 
other words, I got after it.  The executive summary is that the Leo is 
definitely a keeper.  I set PR times on numerous sections that I've ridden 
many many times.  I definitely had a very good day on the bike, and I'm 
still feeling that nice euphoria of putting a really good ride down.  At 
worst, the Leo did not prevent me from having a great day.  The objective 
fact is, the Leo today (with me on it) was faster than my Black Mountain 
ever was (with me on it).  Qualitatively, the Leo today spun up faster than 
the Black Mountain ever did.  I think that's mainly because I had a good 
day, but I report it because so many people on this board claim to be able 
to make nuanced comparisons between bikes as if their body and fitness was 
a constant.  I assure you that my fitness, strength and attitude are not a 
constant, and that makes it hard for me to make comparative judgments about 
bikes.  Some people on this board make nuanced comparisons between bikes 
they haven't ridden in decades.  That depth of recall amazes me, and I 
don't have it.  I will say my Leo was a rocket today with me on it.  That 
came into play on the descent of Redwood Road as well.  It's a 28-33mph 
descent, and the pavement is mediocre.  The bumpiness tended to scrub speed 
on the Black Mountain, but Leo appeared to roll over the roughness with 
more stability, less speed-loss, and better comfort (with the identical 
build kit that had been on the Black Mountain.  I highly recommend the Leo 
for a non-racing road bike.

It is still kind of shocking to walk the bike, because the bars are SO high 
when I'm walking the bike.  I'm accustomed to them being lower.  The fact 
that it's more upright doesn't seem to make it slower.  It does have a 
'vibe' or 'attitude' about it that made me feel a wee bit weird getting on 
it in 'kit'.  Conversely, I felt a wee bit weird getting on the Black 
Mountain Road *without* kit.  Both were fine in the costume or in civvies, 
but the difference in vibe is notable.  

BL in EC

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:24:16 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Austin asked for more nuanced comparisons than I have the vernacular to 
> describe. So my short answer is that I have not found any discernible 
> differences in 'Sportiness'.  
>
> With stouter tubing, is the Roadini less flexible than the BMC?  I don't 
> know that the Leo has stouter tubing.  If it does, I do not discern it to 
> be less flexible
> Does either the BMC or Roadini spin up/accelerate faster (neither are 
> racing bikes, nor do I intend to race).  Not that I can say.  They both go 
> faster the harder I pedal.  I don't run a power meter, so I don't know if 
> one accelerates more quickly per unit power input
> Which one has quicker steering?  Neither that I can discern.  They both go 
> where my hips tell them to go
> All things being equal, is one more "fun" to ride (might be hard given 
> they are set up differently) Both are fun
>
>
>

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