[RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-05 Thread Michael Hechmer
Patrick, as they say in NY, fa ged aboutit. Don't waste your life comparing yourself to anyone. I remember climbing White Face Mt. in the Adirondacks with my son when he was maybe 13 or 14. The climb is 4 miles of unrelenting 14+% , without a shadow of shade. Eventually my son came riding

[RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-05 Thread Brewster Fong
On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 3:56:02 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Does anyone know of a link that takes you to average climbing speeds in > the big races, over the years, so that you can compare say, Romain Maes > with Gino with Jacques with Eddy with le Blaireau with Big Mig with the > m

Re: [RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-05 Thread Ryan Fleming
Look at it this way Patrick At least you have some hills You also have some pretty hefty winds I am sure you are svelter than you say And you ride a fixed gear a lot And you're not yet hill fit as you say We are all probably getting a little older and slower Still it hurts to get passed...I

Re: [RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-05 Thread RichS
9 mph is my favorite speed. Best, Richard On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 5:02:48 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Good points. There's no doubt that the gearing was not ideal; 66" is just > too high, even when I'm in better climbing shape, though when I am, it's > pretty easy, and though I h

Re: [RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Good points. There's no doubt that the gearing was not ideal; 66" is just too high, even when I'm in better climbing shape, though when I am, it's pretty easy, and though I have climbed i 10 gi higher. But 60" would be pretty well matched to the hill when I'm hill fit -- I can sit and turn. But aga

[RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-05 Thread Ian A
Three things to contemplate: 1) Gearing on the climb might not have been ideal 2) You mention feeling not being in peak shape, but some days climbing is just easier. The right breakfast and hydration makes a massive difference for example. 3) How many times have you ridden that hill? I find it ta

Re: [RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-05 Thread Patrick Moore
BTW, I ride this way because I *like* it. I* do* like climbing more than descending, even with a freewheel. My rides are generally short, and the relatively high efforts don't become tedious on short rides. I have no use for a cult of suffering or macho posing, but I do love the personal challenge

Re: [RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-05 Thread Patrick Moore
The young guy on the carbon fiber bike was probably going 3-4 mph faster than my 9 mph average, which after 15 minutes would put him a close to a mile ahead. Since Sunday's ride I've rediscovered the pains that come from being out of hill shape, notably pain my my lower back from all the standing

[RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-05 Thread GAJett
Grabbed my 40-year-old Raleigh Comp for a spin Friday, heading up a moderate hill. Heard bikes coming up from behind and soon passed by a couple of full-kit youngsters on spendy plastic bikes. Not surprised they passed mye by but was surprised how SLOWLY they passed. I'm still getting in shap

Re: [RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-02 Thread Patrick Moore
You're a youngster. The gradual grade on Tramway feels pretty damn' steep to me! Back when I rode freewheels (he said nostalgically, pouring yet another glass of the fiery, astringent *grappa*), I used to gauge hills by terminal coasting velocity, as Sara Road from Intel to Loma Largo was 40 mph-e

Re: [RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-02 Thread Patrick Moore
*And*, that 20 mph figure was with me valiantly backpedalling. Humph! On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > You're a youngster. The gradual grade on Tramway feels pretty damn' steep > to me! > > Back when I rode freewheels (he said nostalgically, pouring yet another > glass of t

[RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-02 Thread Deacon Patrick
You're ridin' the flats. It's not a hill unless it's <7 mph up and >30 mph down and goes for >2 miles. Grin. With abandon, Patrick (hoping I got all those > and < right!) of the highlands On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 5:02:01 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Oh, forgot as usual: 20.23 mph downh

[RBW] Re: Downhill and uphill and getting old and fat and passed.

2017-04-02 Thread Patrick Moore
Oh, forgot as usual: 20.23 mph downhill, and 9.34 mph back up, per Cyclemeter, which I thought pretty decent given my outofshapeness. On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > While Catie was skating this afternoon at The Outpost, the rink at the top > of Tramway hill, I took the '9