[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-25 Thread Anton Tutter
Exactly. I sort of see these hubs as creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, and in the process, ensuring there will be a problem down the road. I honestly don't get why one wouldn't just build a clincher wheelset with NOS or used freewheel hubs and freewheels. Keeps your old roa

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Philip Williamson
Or people who want to kludge a Legolas out of their Quickbeam... Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Philip Williamson
I have a seven speed cassette (with spacer) on my 135 OLD gravel roadster bike. Yep, works great. Better than the nine speed cassette: easier friction shifts and a wider range. Philip www.biketinker.come -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I'm not too interested in assuming a bunch of hypotheticals and conjecturing based on those assumptions. I was really just pointing out that 120 mm cassette hubs aren't terribly related to Rivendell bikes. That product is probably more appropriate for somebody who wants the benefits of a casset

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 09/23/2013 05:40 PM, Garth wrote: Because One *can choose ! *If I prefer less wheel dish, and find the idea of a spacer redundant and unnecessary, that is my choice. Do I have to buy any given frame someone makes as stock and try to "fit into it" ? Of course not, I can choose it any way

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Garth
Because One *can choose ! *If I prefer less wheel dish, and find the idea of a spacer redundant and unnecessary, that is my choice. Do I have to buy any given frame someone makes as stock and try to "fit into it" ? Of course not, I can choose it any way I wish. Why need parts be any differ

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Bill Lindsay
"Do you remember what Eddy Merckx' favorite freewheel cogs were?" I read somewhere, but cannot corroborate on the interwebs at the moment, that Eddy liked to run a 13/14/15/15/16 five speed freewheel, or something really similar to that. He ran two cogs of the same size in the middle for chain

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 09/23/2013 04:03 PM, Garth wrote: If someone had the conviction to still build 7 speed cassette hubs in 135mm, I'd buy them today. What is your issue with using a 135mm cassette hub with a spacer and a 7 speed cassette? I've been doing that for years with my Kogswells, and it works perf

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Garth
If someone had the conviction to still build 7 speed cassette hubs in 135mm, I'd buy them today. Better yet, hubs that are customizable with different size bodies and axles. But the Mind is fickle I want more ... no , I want less ... I want this, that and the other. Oh wait just wha

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Philip Williamson
Actually, it looks like the Compass version will be cheaper than the Sun XCD, judging by the equivalent 130mm hub on the SomaFab site. Soma has the full-width body 130mm Sun XCD cassette hubs for $240, and Compass will sell the rear short-body 120mm hub for $185, and a hub set for $265. I don

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Bill Lindsay
ONLY 150? ONLY 160? Any q-factor zealot worth their salt would give both of those numbers the same name: "doing the splits!" teehee! :) Joke! Playful! Grin! You are mostly right that you can get pretty narrow with modern parts and wide tires. I too have a 10-sp rear end 130 OLD bike, w

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Patrick Moore
It's hard to analyze Grant's mind, since we are not Grant, but I say that it is possible to have both more cogs and less Q since OL spacing contributes relatively little to Q. Q is determined mostly by crank arm angle and only relatively little by rear OL spacing. Hell, how wide apart your feet ar

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Patrick Moore
As long as you have the correct spacers, you can always buy loose cogs and roll your own. On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:35 PM, rob markwardt wrote: > I think these are realy cool looking and would work great, but I'd be more > concerned about the supply of the new 5 speed cassettes than I would >

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread rob markwardt
I think these are realy cool looking and would work great, but I'd be more concerned about the supply of the new 5 speed cassettes than I would old freewheels. There must have been millions of freewheels cranked out over the years. I'm guessing the rush to buy this new hub will be limited at

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Bill Lindsay
Jim Since you know the history as well as most people, let me ask your opinion on a hypothetical: We both know Grant was an early low-Q-factor guy. We both remember he resisted going from 126 to 130 on the RB's, and resisted going from 130 to 135 on the MBs. He reluctantly went wider. Riven

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Ron Mc
at some point it becomes all about what components are available. The current norm of 11 to 32 9- and 10-speed cassettes, and 46/30 compact cranksets pretty much dictates your frame building. I don't think we'll see 120mm wide road bikes back on the market. On Monday, September 23, 2013 1:0

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Philip Williamson
This is something I've been looking forward to (in a cheaper Suntour version) for a while, in order to quickly re-gear my fixed-gear porteur bike. Clamp on shifters, an adapter claw, and the 120 spaced cassette wheel would let me change between geared and fixed in two shakes of a lamb's tail. F

Re: [RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Patrick Moore
I meant to say: "... but even a double would have meant a Q of no more than 132 mm with a 115 mm spindle" -- which is what I have on my Ram. > > I ran a 10 sp on my 130 spaced custom with a Q of 130. Now that was with a > single ring on a Pro 5 Vis and a 113 mm bb spindl, but even a double would >

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Garth
http://www.compasscycle.com/hub_gb_hf.html *Note:* The cassette bodies are made from aluminum, and should be used with > high-end cassettes that have a carrier hub for all but the smallest three > cogs. > >- Shimano/SRAM-compatible >(8-, 9-, 10-speed) >- Campagnolo-compatible >

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Brian Campbell
All true. I run a 1978 Raleigh Pro w/ Challenge tires and 7 speed IRD freewheel, 46/30 TA crankset. It is a really nice ride. I get the concept and am a supporter. I just never thought the supply of freewheels was that low. I learn something each day! -- You received this message because you

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Bill Lindsay
Brian That supply of freewheels and even hubs does exist on the ebay market, but it will eventually dry up. Now maybe even that market might get watered down and keep the prices low. Compass claimed these are aimed at people who own a nice 50s - 70s racing bike, which typically have great c

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Jeremy Till
I wonder if the flange spacing would work out such that if they built a 130mm version of this hub with the 5/6spd freehub body, it would build into a practically dishless wheel, as is the case with the Phil 130/135 spaced freewheel hubs. That would be a great way to build a bomber wheel without

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Ron Mc
I think a lot of people are buying nice old frames and building up good bikes from them. You can stretch a 126mm frame to fit a 130mm hub. Can't really do that with 120mm frame. On Monday, September 23, 2013 7:25:49 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote: > > I used a Suntour Ultra 6 speed freewheel

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Brian Campbell
I used a Suntour Ultra 6 speed freewheel. I had no trouble finding one on ebay that was brand new for about $40. 46/42/28 triple up front. Not sure why you would need a whole new wheel set unless you wanted one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread Ron Mc
It's a great thing. 14-28 in a 5 or 6 is a great choice with the right chainrings. On my 13-28 6-speed rear, I have a cyclotouriste triple with half-steps (47/42) and a 26T escape ring. This gives me 4-inch steps from 26" to 95" with no overlaps. On Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:07:26 PM UT

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread jandrews_nyc
Couldn't this be a way for us Simpleone / Quickbeam riders to get geared for a hilly weekend? I think you'd just need a bolt-on derailleur hanger attachment and a shifter cable guide. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-23 Thread justinaugust
Ah, Looks like they haven't made it over here yet. They're on their website and folks takes of importing them but I guess no one did. Probably due to a lack of cassettes unless there were undisclosed problems. I stand corrected about US availability unless these were just vaporware. -Justin -

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-22 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Fortunately, most Rivs are 130 or 135 mm! On Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:17:47 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Compass Bikes just posted the availability of new Grand Boris branded 5 > and 6 speed cassette hubs for 120mm rear spacing. That's a pretty exciting > development for a lot of folk

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-22 Thread Bill Lindsay
Justin Where can I buy a Suntour 120mm cassette hub? On Sunday, September 22, 2013 3:02:06 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote: > > While I love this and everything they do, I'm curious as to what the > difference between this and the (already available, contrary to Jan's > statement) Suntour h

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-22 Thread Bill Lindsay
stephen s the 14-28 six speed cassette fits on the same 120mm hub. no cold setting needed. you are golden! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email t

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-22 Thread Stephen S
I'd have to either spread or cold-set the rear spacing and I'd like to keep it 5-speed for the time-being. The rest of the drivetrain would be fine. I went from a 50-42 Campy Record crankset to a 53-39 Shimano Ultegra 9-speed crankset to get some lower ratios and I run a 9 speed chain. On Su

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-22 Thread justinaugust
While I love this and everything they do, I'm curious as to what the difference between this and the (already available, contrary to Jan's statement) Suntour hubs? Rebaged? Upgraded bearings? Anything? -J On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:17:47 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Compass Bikes jus

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-22 Thread Bill Lindsay
That's not all that hard a problem to find a solution for. You could buy their 14-28 six-speed cassette and just run an 8-speed chain. I'm sure the rest of your drivetrain would take that, wouldn't you think? Or, if you've stockpiled a bunch of 5-speed chains and want to stay period, they bui

[RBW] Re: 120mm cassette hubs

2013-09-22 Thread Stephen S
A wider range 5 speed cassette would be nice. I have a 14-28 5-speed freewheel on my 72' Bob Jackson and I'd hate to lose the climbing gears On Sunday, September 22, 2013 8:17:47 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Compass Bikes just posted the availability of new Grand Boris branded 5 > and