Re: [RBW] Heavy chain lubes for wet conditions.

2014-04-18 Thread Patrick Moore
Zack: I don't think we're really that far apart on waxing; just wanted to note the difference between hot waxing and wax-type, bottled lubes. I agree that heavy lubes work much better in the wet (at least, the light lubes and the wax I've used do not stand up well to our very occasional, but often

Re: [RBW] Heavy chain lubes for wet conditions.

2014-04-17 Thread Zack B
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Even as someone who is abandoning chain waxing, let me play devil's > advocate. If you are going to disprove waxing, at least let it be done for > the correct reasons. > > I'm not "disproving" it. I used waxed chains for years, including mul

Re: [RBW] Heavy chain lubes for wet conditions.

2014-04-16 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 04/16/2014 12:30 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: Lastly, don't conflate waxing with "wax type" lubrication. The whole point and benefit of waxing with paraffin or paraffin mixes is that it *does not*, repeat: *does not* create a coat on the outside of the chain. That much, at very least, is a pro

Re: [RBW] Heavy chain lubes for wet conditions.

2014-04-16 Thread Patrick Moore
Even as someone who is abandoning chain waxing, let me play devil's advocate. If you are going to disprove waxing, at least let it be done for the correct reasons. "Boiling" need not be complex at all; it is easier in fact than removing, scrubbing, replacing, and oiling. With a master link and a c

Re: [RBW] Heavy chain lubes for wet conditions.

2014-04-16 Thread Eric Platt
Used to use Phil's in winter here in Minnesota as it was one of the few that didn't wash off immediately. Stopped using it when it became obvious that the tenacious oil not only sticks, but lets things like sand, salt and other abrasives stick just as well to the chain. Not only did I ruin a chai

[RBW] Heavy chain lubes for wet conditions.

2014-04-15 Thread Zack B
Riding year round in SF and PDX, I have experimented with almost every chain lube available in extremely wet conditions. The problem with wax lubes is that boiling your chain in wax is a major pain in the ass, and while the wax lubes do a good job of staying on the outside of the chain (where lubr