[RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

Let's see..it never had one, and if it did now, we would be asking why we should by* this* 2tt bike over *that* 2tt bike, so.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.c

Re: [RBW] Visit and ride at RBW

I may join y'all. I'll know in a few days. -nathan On Monday, September 12, 2011, René Sterental wrote: > Seems like the 50+ contingent (speaking for myself only) will meet around 12:30 - 1:00pm to ensure we don't feel pressured to walk too fast uphill if needed... and still make camp before dar

Re: [RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

i haven't broken my single tt 66cm atlantis yet. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:37 PM, charlie wrote: > I don't question Grant's decisions on frame design.I'm certainly > no expert and I have virtually no experience designing, building, > marketing, selling, servicing or warranting bicycle frame

Re: [RBW] Intro

I'm always stoked to hear about folks who still ride the bicycles they bought way back when, hope to say the same when I'm your age. Riv's a kindred continuation of the spirit. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:10 PM, René Sterental wrote: > Congrats on your new Sam! > > Sent from my iPhone 4 > > On Sep

Re: [RBW] plethoric touring photos

Thanks for the compliments everyone, you're enjoyment provides much of the reason why I share my work online and I'm flattered that many of you stop by regularly. I'll be sure to get a summary post with a map online once I get through the series. Much more to come, hopefully for many more years.

Re: [RBW] Intro

Congrats on your new Sam! Sent from my iPhone 4 On Sep 12, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Jim wrote: Since I am now the owner of a shiny new 64cm Sam Hillborne frame, which will be transformed into a running bicycle by RBW in the next few weeks, I thought I would say hi to y'all (actually, growing up near

[RBW] Re: PBP 2011 Ride Photos - a set on Flickr

Spotted a few of your bikes at PBP. Loved the baby blue Riv custom. I rode in the 90 hour group on my lugged steel Vanilla. I was amazed by how many folks were riding fenderless racing bikes with non- functional luggage systems. It was great to spot the Rivs along the way. http://www.flickr.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

Stephen, Send me tour address and cellphone off list and I'll come pick you up. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Sep 11, 2011, at 3:32 PM, Stephen S wrote: I wouldn't mind carpooling. I live in Mountain View so its not too far out of the way. I also wouldn't mind the extra time =) Stephen On S

Re: [RBW] Visit and ride at RBW

Seems like the 50+ contingent (speaking for myself only) will meet around 12:30 - 1:00pm to ensure we don't feel pressured to walk too fast uphill if needed... and still make camp before dark. The stronger rides may meet at 3:00 as originally planned. Also seems like we've gone beyond our group o

Re: [RBW] Re: Riding around Seattle

On Saturday I took a very nice 17.5 mile ride led by Rob M. I'm not free during the weekdays until 5:00-5:30pm. That leaves a good 1-1.5 hours to go do the ride you recommend, but we'd have to meet at Gasworks Park since I know how to get there quickly. We could plan this for Wednesday at 5:30pm i

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bar?

Interesting comparison photos of RM-013, -014, and Noodle here: http://biketouringnews.com/bike-stuff/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/ -nathan On Sep 12, 2011, at 9:44 PM, Michael_S wrote: > There is also the RM-014 available which has a wider flare. > http://store.somafab.c

Re: [RBW] Visit and ride at RBW

sorry, still meeting at 3 at RBW? -Mike On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Michael Williams wrote: > I would love to join, also repping the under 30 contingent.Still > meeting at # at RBW?-Mike > > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Jim Mather wrote: > >> Gernot, visiting from Thail

[RBW] Re: PBP 2011 Ride Photos - a set on Flickr

Great set of pics, thanks so much .. dork question, but if you wouldn't mind: What saddle are you slogging all those miles on? On Sep 11, 3:56 pm, Taylor wrote: > Pace is a big consideration as well, these pictures show the controls > much more crowded then I saw them on my 90 hour start, riding

Re: [RBW] Re: Visit and ride at RBW

i guess i"m #8 cant wait to meet everyone On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Stephen S wrote: > I wouldn't mind carpooling. I live in Mountain View so its not too far out > of the way. I also wouldn't mind the extra time =) > > Stephen > > > On Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:55:13 PM UTC-7, René w

[RBW] Re: Exustar Touring Shoes

They're a little heavy and take a bit of breaking in. The leather is not the finest but the price is good for a nice traditional looking shoe. Also consider Quoc Pham. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] Friction shifting, moral and intellectual virtue, and a very, very Rivendellian book.

Can you get the title of author of the book you mention in this post? I am talking about where you mention about Soul Craft in a shop class. TY On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:36 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > And that calls up something I've been thinking about recently. Note > that this is in no way a

[RBW] Re: Friction

I use Silver downtube on my Jamis Aurora and Silver barend on my Sam Hillborne and I got to say if I was being honest with myself, I don't know if I will ever really go back to index shifters. Maybe on a mountainbike because the quick precise shifting may be more helpful with the quickness of

[RBW] Dia Compe 750 Brakes and Front Mini-Rack For Sale

Hello Everyone: I was going to convert a bike to 650 B but changed my mind. Therefore, I have a couple of nice, brand-new parts to sell. First is a pair of Dia Compe 750 Centerpull brakes. They're the same ones listed on the Riv site: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/dia-compe-mod-750/15-1

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

My guess is a dirt drop like bar. Regards, Chris Redding, Ca. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-b

[RBW] Intro

Since I am now the owner of a shiny new 64cm Sam Hillborne frame, which will be transformed into a running bicycle by RBW in the next few weeks, I thought I would say hi to y'all (actually, growing up near Pittsburgh, it should be "youns"...) My wife and I moved to Boulder CO a year and a half

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

There is also the RM-014 available which has a wider flare. http://store.somafab.com/nirm01didrha.html Looks a little too narrow at the top for me. So I'm considering the RM-013's for my next build. but my guess is that Grant will have something more upright. He seems to be leaning more

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

FYI - they have been back in production http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=0&keyword=rm-013 Rob On Sep 12, 4:51 pm, Brian Hanson wrote: > I'd like the resurrection of a Riv'd Nitto Dirt Drop bar...  One that is > sort of a compact version o

[RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

I don't question Grant's decisions on frame design.I'm certainly no expert and I have virtually no experience designing, building, marketing, selling, servicing or warranting bicycle frames. What I do have is the ability to read and some common sense. Go Grant! On Sep 12, 11:16 am, "Scott G."

[RBW] Why no Atlantis double TT?

It was my understanding that the AHH did not get 2tt till 69cm and larger. I do know that no tour bike ever in my past was as stable as my 2tt Bombadil. Even with full load of 70 plus pounds in the bags and my 220. When a bike performs above and beyond expectations I find it hard to fault. No

Re: [RBW] slipping Silver shifter

There is a "good" way to set up the Silvers - beeswax on the screw threads - only put grease on the inner silver washer - not the threads or anything else - scuff up the plastic washer a bit for some friction. I still feel that the derailleurs make a BIG difference. The ones I have tried with low

Re: [RBW] Re: Bike registration (Was: Riv,Miyata, and Pelican stolen in SF)

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Minh wrote: > Wow, i think it's kind of nuts that a Rivendell 'looks' expensive. I > mean they might look expensive to me, but are leather saddles, cork > grips, lugged steel, fat tires, fenders, high-spoke count wheels, what > equates to expensive now? what has t

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bar?

I'd like the resurrection of a Riv'd Nitto Dirt Drop bar... One that is sort of a compact version of a swept out Noodle bar. Brian On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Mike wrote: > On Sep 12, 12:56 pm, brian tester wrote: > > I believe I spotted the new handlebar out of the corner of my eye this

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

On Sep 12, 12:56 pm, brian tester wrote: > I believe I spotted the new handlebar out of the corner of my eye this > last saturday at Riv HQ. > Only one person in this thread has come close to describing what it is > or will be. > > -B. It me, right? I kinda think it's gonna be a variation on the

Re: [RBW] slipping Silver shifter

Whoa... After hearing all of the praise heaped upon the Silvers I thought I was the only one suffering this problem. Seeing the response here makes me feel less alone. I've been having severe difficulty shifting the rear of my AHH since day one (and I've been doing friction, and only friction, f

[RBW] FS: Woolistic LS Jersey, large, near-new

For Sale Faema Woolistic long-sleeve wool jersey, size large. Classic look with three-pocket rear. Bought from Vintage Velos. Near new, worn once, maybe twice. Kept sealed away from moths and other bad things. $115 shipped via Priority Mail. PayPal best way to pay. Dave, who loves wool jers

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

My own expectation is that the HS is a citified bike, so an Arc bar seems more likely to me. I would LOVE a "Cunningham" bar from Rivendell, but my understanding is that Grant hates 'em. I wouldn't bend my own aluminum bars, though, out of fear; Charlie Cunningham has a heat-treating oven, and lot

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bar?

On Monday, September 12, 2011 11:17:25 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 09:11 -0700, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > > Hmmm... here's what I hope it isn't: a "trekking" bar. Those tend to > > meet my primary criteria for a bar: height. > > I don't understand. The height of

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

I think it's going to be a purple MTB flatbar, which will look excellent on my neon-green-and-yellow '87 MB-2. Yeahh.. Joe "3D Violet" Bernard Fairfield, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the w

[RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Hillborne Frame and fork

Sold. Thanks to the few of you who expressed interest. Now I can start saving up in earnest for a 58cm Atlantis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/r

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

I believe I spotted the new handlebar out of the corner of my eye this last saturday at Riv HQ. Only one person in this thread has come close to describing what it is or will be. -B. On Sep 12, 9:17 am, Steve Palincsar wrote: > On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 09:11 -0700, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > > Hmmm

[RBW] Re: Riding around Seattle

+1 on this ride! Turns out I'm free during the day most of the week, and I'll be out on the Hillborne anyhow, so if a mini Riv ride develops, I'd be all in. Shawn On Sep 12, 3:06 pm, Rob wrote: > The classic ride in Seattle--the one that always makes me think--"dang I am > lucky to live here": >

[RBW] Re: Friction

Funny how this came up, i was riding this weekend (on the quickbeam so maybe it was more noticeable) and was thinking about how loud index shifting was on the go-fast riders around me. As i don't have any bikes with index shifting anymore i had forgetten how loud it is when you shift down. As fa

[RBW] Re: Riding around Seattle

The classic ride in Seattle--the one that always makes me think--"dang I am lucky to live here": Start at Pike Place Market. Ride north along Western, stop in at Elliot Bay Bicycles, check out their collection of gorgeous vintage bikes, say hello to Bob Freeman. Continue north the waterfront, p

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction

Re: 7 speed: no, I was being facetious. Good luck on the bracket; let's see the result. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > > On Monday, September 12, 2011 7:04:21 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> But only 7 speed cassettes. >> >> > > Is that because the 7-speed's wid

[RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

I had a 61cm Gen 1 Atlantis, never noticed a lack of stiffness or unplanned planning in that bike. ;-) I do like the looks of the Ant bike Truss model, very cool. http://antbikemike.wordpress.com/bicycle-catagories/truss-bike/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo

[RBW] Re: Friction shifting, moral and intellectual virtue, and a very, very Rivendellian book.

Patrick: I also have read that book, and thoroughly enjoyed the author's points. It was pointed out to me by someone else who'd read the book that he uses two styles, one quite academic (passages I had to re- read) and the other more workingman. It's not obtrusive and I didn't notice the shifts

[RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

On Monday, September 12, 2011 11:45:52 AM UTC-5, William wrote: > Many here on this group think the 2tt is flat out ugly, stupid and > unnecessary. Others think it's beautiful and distinctive and smart. Still > more think it is a benign self-indulgence. Nobody, to my knowledge is > eithe

[RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

My guess is the Atlantis has thicker wall tubing than the other designs, and would not benefit from adding another top tube. Riv has stated that the Atlantis frame & fork weigh roughly a pound more than their other bikes. It's been billed as their most versatile bike, capable of use as a loaded t

[RBW] Re: Friction

On Monday, September 12, 2011 10:34:05 AM UTC-5, Steve D. wrote: > > http://db.tt/Y01RjLd - Rackaleur, Baggins, and Irish > > I like that rackaleur solution for you Hobo bag. It's very elegant. > Higher praise than it deserves. But appreciated. It does work, though, exactly as you might hope;

[RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

There are a lot of answers to that question. The 61 Atlantis doesn't need a second top tube, that's a fact. The objective reason it doesn't is that a 61cm Atlantis has a much shorter headtube than the other bikes you mention. The reason a 61 Atlantis has a much shorter headtube is that the At

[RBW] Re: Friction

Out of practicality I ride indexed 9-speed derailleurs for off-road, and can't imagine getting by without them; (in particular I like SRAM XO gripshifters and derailleurs, as they offer fast, precise, flawless shifting when you need it in situations where you can ill-afford to be crunching in betwe

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction

FWIW, I rode PBP this year with friction-shifting downtube levers. There's plenty of varying terrain, and I found the setup (7-speed freewheel) to work just fine. I never really missed index shifting. I also took comfort in the fact that there's very little to go wrong with friction levers--ba

[RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

Shhh, don't plant the idea... On Sep 12, 8:23 am, "opa...@gmail.com" wrote: > I didn't search much for this information, but I couldn't find it on Riv's > site anyway..  It appears that nearly all of the currently available > framesets are available with a double top tube in largish sizes, ex

Re: [RBW] Re: New Bar?

On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 09:11 -0700, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > Hmmm... here's what I hope it isn't: a "trekking" bar. Those tend to > meet my primary criteria for a bar: height. I don't understand. The height of the bar has little to do with the bar itself, much more to do with the stem or the sp

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

Hmmm... here's what I hope it isn't: a "trekking" bar. Those tend to meet my primary criteria for a bar: height. My cockpits range from about 1" to about 4" above my saddle... those are inches, not centimeters. But every trekking style bar I've seen (including the Nitto) was so fundamentally una

[RBW] Brown MUSA shorts

I just noticed that brown MUSA shorts are now available from RBW. They look great, the brown/blue combo works well. I really hope they do pants in brown. I think they'll have knickers which is great. http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/musa-shorts/22-078 --mike -- You received this message bec

[RBW] Re: Riding on the hoods: New Fork needed?

The bars are below the seat and should be leveled. I'll most likely try a stem riser until I can find an olive LHT 700c fork. Anyway, thank you all for your help. I'll update my progress as soon as it's resolved. On Sep 11, 9:13 am, newenglandbike wrote: > Are your bars currently level with

Re: [RBW] Why no Atlantis double TT?

On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 08:23 -0700, opa...@gmail.com wrote: > I didn't search much for this information, but I couldn't find it on > Riv's site anyway.. It appears that nearly all of the currently > available framesets are available with a double top tube in largish > sizes, except Atlantis. Is th

RE: [RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

I have a 61cm Atlantis, which I rode for a tour in the Adirondacks with pretty heavy full camping gear, and it performed beautifully uphill and down -- my assessment would be that no additional stiffness or strength is needed. And though I have a Bombadil, I like the conventional single top tub

[RBW] Re: Why no Atlantis double TT?

I think it's mostly because the Atlantis was designed in the pre-DTT days and Grant et al are probably loathe to mess with one of their most consistent sellers, a bike they have said they intend to keep making "forever." In one of the most recent readers Grant did have a short blurb about "ret

[RBW] Re: Friction

http://db.tt/Y01RjLd - Rackaleur, Baggins, and Irish I like that rackaleur solution for you Hobo bag. It's very elegant. I've been using hemp tied between my Hobo bag's D-rings and brake hoods to suspend it from the h'bars. I need to order one from VO. -Steve DeMont Seattle On Sep 12, 3:07 am, T

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction

On Monday, September 12, 2011 7:04:21 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > One place where I'd be inclined to choose indexing is for off road > riding where rough terrain makes smooth friction shifting hard to do. > As it is, my terrain is mostly flat, so I don't bother, but for > terrain that call

Re: [RBW] Why no Atlantis double TT?

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 11:23 AM, opa...@gmail.com wrote: > I didn't search much for this information, but I couldn't find it on Riv's > site anyway..  It appears that nearly all of the currently available > framesets are available with a double top tube in largish sizes, except > Atlantis.  Is th

[RBW] Why no Atlantis double TT?

I didn't search much for this information, but I couldn't find it on Riv's site anyway.. It appears that nearly all of the currently available framesets are available with a double top tube in largish sizes, except Atlantis. Is there a reason for this? For instance, why would one need a doubl

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

I've not been to RBW, hadn't seen or heard anything about the bar, except Grant's post and discussion here... But, what I'd like to see is, would really really want, is a wider-splayed dirt-drop version of the Noodle... I love the Noodle on my Ram, but I'd been eyeing Nitto's two dirt-drop var

[RBW] Re: Friction

On Monday, September 12, 2011 9:37:24 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote: > > The truth is it really doesn't matter what kind of shifting one does. If I > had a choice of indexed or or not riding at all indexed it'd be :) We > have a choice though and we have good ones. Life is a celebration o

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

I'm thinking some variation of a mustache bar but takes mtn bike brake levers. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, se

Re: [RBW] FS: Supernova Tail light seat post mount version

No sweat! Good to know the reason behind the incompatibility. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/znMPy-RgigQJ. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: Friction

The truth is it really doesn't matter what kind of shifting one does. If I had a choice of indexed or or not riding at all indexed it'd be :) We have a choice though and we have good ones. Life is a celebration of being doing . . . . when my days as Garth are over . . . . I w

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction

I guess I should confess to being an 'imperfect' shifter. I've got silvers on the Saluki and bar end indexers on the custom and like em both. Never thought about high 90% shifting accuracy. Don't really notice probably cause I've got poor powers of shifter discrimination. Or...I've just got wi

Re: [RBW] New Bar?

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:51 AM, rperks wrote: > Since wild speculation helps to pass the time, Who wants to have some > fun guessing what the "new" handlebar in the works is?  Rules? we > don't need no stinkin rules, but we do not want to invoke Grant's $20 > penalty either.  Thus no pictures of

[RBW] Re: Friction

I tried friction for awhile with the Silver shifter and I got to the point where I could shift perfectly about 98% of the time. I switched to Shimano bar-cons for a test and to be honest can not see myself going back to friction. They work really well and when they are get out of whack I can

[RBW] Re: New Bar?

Good guess, Rob. If that is it, the Arc Bar in my basement is about to go up in value $$$. I never did like it too much and the curve is much like the new Bullmoose. My guess is something like the Nitto Promenade. An Albatross where the grip section rises. This would eliminate the need for the

[RBW] New Bar?

Since wild speculation helps to pass the time, Who wants to have some fun guessing what the "new" handlebar in the works is? Rules? we don't need no stinkin rules, but we do not want to invoke Grant's $20 penalty either. Thus no pictures of the real thing, and I would guess bite your tounge if yo

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction

On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 04:04 -0700, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > You may be surprised at how accurate you can be with some practice. > One of the things that I like about the Silver shifters is that I can > leap across most of the cassette in a single move, which is nice when > or if you ride a lot o

Re: [RBW] bike sheds

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:47 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > That's wonderful; I assume you'll have the appropriate heating and > cooling and insulation? That is what I lack in my more or less north > facing and finished but uninsulated and thermally unregulated garage: > it gets down below 40 at the c

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction

On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 05:01 -0700, Thomas Lynn Skean wrote: > I should point out... this was my first decent-length ride with Silver > shifters, not friction. I rode with friction shifting for most of a decade as > a teenager. Rode a lot, actually, compared to normal kid riding. While > shifting

Re: [RBW] Re: Friction

One place where I'd be inclined to choose indexing is for off road riding where rough terrain makes smooth friction shifting hard to do. As it is, my terrain is mostly flat, so I don't bother, but for terrain that called for a lot more shifting, I'd be inclined to choose it. But only 7 speed casset

[RBW] Re: Friction

I should point out... this was my first decent-length ride with Silver shifters, not friction. I rode with friction shifting for most of a decade as a teenager. Rode a lot, actually, compared to normal kid riding. While shifting then was never a big problem, it was something that I always to be

Re: [RBW] bike sheds

That's wonderful; I assume you'll have the appropriate heating and cooling and insulation? That is what I lack in my more or less north facing and finished but uninsulated and thermally unregulated garage: it gets down below 40 at the coldest and up to 90 in high summer with the northern sun. (Sinc

[RBW] Friction shifting, moral and intellectual virtue, and a very, very Rivendellian book.

And that calls up something I've been thinking about recently. Note that this is in no way a criticism of anyone or anybody, just a description of my own inclinations. Riding a bicycle with indexing can obviously be within the cutoff that I am describing below. I went to friction after having used

[RBW] Re: Friction

Thomas .. your first ride with friction shifters and you're already saying you'll never be accurate shifting with them? Give yourself some time with them. They require some conscious effort at first, but they'll get easier. Stop comparing them with indexed shifters . 'cause that they

[RBW] Re: Friction

"I don't think I'd ever actually get to the point where the chain simply lands in alignment with the cog 98+% of the time, which is how I'd characterize my Shimano-shifter indexing experience." You may be surprised at how accurate you can be with some practice. One of the things that I like ab

[RBW] Friction

Hi, all! Yesterday was my first decent-length ride with Silver shifters. They really are a joy to use: quiet and smooth. I understand the appeal. However, I do see indexed shifting as a practical improvement over friction. While I expect that over time I'd get really good at operating these Sil