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brary versions; maybe your 4.2 box doesn't
have want you need, and the others do. (I'd think this would make a
message and a core file, though). Similar questions for tcpserver
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>
> David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> > What happened was that the mail was *accepted*, and then bounced
> Can't anybody simply send mail to a bogus address on your mac
s another thing it does to avoid dependency on and insecurity
due to use of the system libraries).
Incidentaly, I enjoyed reading your description of the steps you'd
gone through to analyze the problem in your message yesterday.
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wrong. This isn't the qmail situation, but it's an important real
situation, and suggests a reason why it makes sense to to separate
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Andre Oppermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 4 February 2000 at 20:27:41 +0100
> Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 10:43:37AM -0600,
> > David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > True; but if you're
John Conover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 6 February 2000 at 18:45:16 -0000
> David Dyer-Bennet writes:
> > John Conover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 6 February 2000 at 01:21:38 -
> >
> > > I haven't tried it against orbs, but, for the mail
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nections.
> RBL has blocked 3767 smtp connections.
My block counts for the 15 days preceding today are:
RSS(0): 102
DUL(1): 36
RBL(2): 11
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ame of the person this is for).
Happy to answer any questions I know the answers to; off-list might be
better, unless others want to make sure I'm feeding you good data :-) .
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should simply learn to force it to show those headers, and should look
in those headers when they're puzzled about something relating to a
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Then
use that program in conjunction with bouncesaying (part of the qmail
package) in your .qmail file. This is a per-user solution rather than
a system-wide solution.
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t will give sendmail free rein. So the usual
> qmail-inject environment variables should work (though I haven't tried
> this).
I have; it works.
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> > -Original Message-
> > From: David Dyer-Bennet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 11:41 AM
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you
need to set QMAILSHOST to set the envelope sender, which is what then
becomes that "from " header in the received message.
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nstance of some program; I usually look at them by calling them into
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Peter Samuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 May 2000 at 13:52:17 +1000
> On Thu, 4 May 2000, David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
>
> > Peter Samuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 May 2000 at 11:56:47 +1000
> > > On Thu, 4 May 2000, Kins Orekhov wrote:
> > &
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should be perfectly acceptable to have that large a CDB file.
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o grab everything that isn't
specifically handled by other .qmail files and have it delivered to a
maildir. Then use maildirsmtp (or maildirqmtp) in cron to send those
on over to the actual destination machine.
I haven't needed to split a domain this way, so I could be overlooking
a b
J.J.Gallardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 25 September 2000 at 18:41:18 +0200
> David Dyer-Bennet escribió:
>
> > I see two approaches.
> >
> > #1, can you use smtproutes to send everything to the other machine, and then
> > on *that* machine grab t
ulated mail, and trigger delivery if there
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wn. Not quite. It was designed to prevent the
> hammers from getting tangled up. Doing so doesn't necessarily mean the
> typist will be slower.
All the very-fast typists I know use Qwerty (and I know one who tests
over 150 WPM).
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Kris Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 5 October 2000 at 11:58:57 -0500
> And guess which countries will be important when the U.S., China, and Russia
> all go to war and wipe each other out? :)
Um, ones on some other planet?
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e than one gf. My
> system has /dev/wife with no options for others. In fact, the driver
> will actively hunt down other instances, kill -9 and remove all
> associated files :)
Look for the "poly" patch, available from major FTP sites around the
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> seen that requirement before with other software.
I haven't seen it as a requirement, but I try to remember to do as
much as possible as non-root, and untarring and running complex
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allowed to establish an ssl connect to do pop, anyway.
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omain.
> I have used the tcp-env setting in hosts.allow
> following the instructions in the qmail-FAQ
> but when I try the test at
> telnet mail-abuse.org
> it says that it can still relay through my server.
> Can anyone help?
What exactly does the message from the relay test
t believe qmail-smtp does any reverse lookups.
However, tcperver does by default; check the tcpserver man page (-H,
and you probably want -R as well).
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My
personal belief is that this is a mistake. And of course it's the
primary cause of the very very frequent unsubscribe hassle.
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ber of institutions and ISPs that insist on their
users relaying through their servers, and they make sure the envelope
sender is valid. This may still be a significant population.
But generally I agree, it would be *much* better to use the from:
header. I've thought about going in to pat
est is a simple lookup.
That's more elegant in some ways, but actually I think the simply
regexp match is a better design. It means I don't have to keep my
Message ID database up-to-date, for example. It *is* more easily
spoofed, but I doubt enough people will use this technique t
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th Qmail and
also in the FAQ, by the way.
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t have a .qmail file. I thought that I wouldn't need one, as Maildir
> delivery is supposed to be the default.
The default delivery instructions are provided on the qmail-start
command line, and may be maildir or mailbox or some specific program.
You don't need a .qmail file if you don
S This is just a bit of the log but you should get the idea, most of this
> is for ONE message, even though it looks like there is more than one -
> odd!. note that it is trying to deliver to something called
> __/.Maildir/ what is that?)
This looks like you have a .qmail file which
erd to
> make this work?
You can run multiple instances on different ports without any trouble;
you give tcpserver the port to run on as a command-line argument.
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does the mailing list submit messages to qmail? Since you say
this doesn't work, what symptom or error message do you see? And
finally, What Do The Logs Say (TM)?
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to give me
> a few years though at this rate.
Well, it's an amazing amount simpler than NT, so maybe not as long as
you think!
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> DNS replies larger than 512 bytes.
They've flopped back and forth a few times, though. And while they
seem to be okay at the moment, I wouldn't consider this closed. I
want to keep the oversize DNS patch in my system.
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ore relevant stuff than quite a few security "experts", and
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hat's not immense by some of your standards, or by ezmlm
and qmail standards, but this Cyrix P166+ with 96 meg of ram and IDE
disks wasn't really planned to be a mail blaster. But it tears
through it pretty darned well anyway.
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NAL (are you?), but I doubt that a copyright holder can revoke
> permission already granted in this way. The *record* (or rather,
> *one* record) of permission could be removed, but how does that affect
> the permission itself?
Demonstrating that the permission was granted
cated.
Just for nit-picky precision, I don't run the list; it's run by one of
Bruce's employees, using my system, and the software I have installed
there.
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Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 15 November 2000 at 13:09:25 -0500
> "David Dyer-Bennet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >Dan is probably right that no special permissions are needed to make
> >normal uses of his code (which is what he says on
ndard (but current versions support maildir
directly) will do this. So will maildrop. Maildrop is newer,
cleaner, code. I haven't used maildrop myself; being used to
procmail, I haven't bothered to change.
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auto-responder. You will be doing the net a grave
disservice if you break these.
Then, what you need to put your new software in control of nonexistent
addresses is a .qmail-default file in the appropriate place.
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s okay for
us to download stuff from his server, coupled with his placing stuff
on his server, could be interpreted as permission for us to download
that stuff.
Or not. I'd be happier with a clearcut license, and if I were trying
to get qmail into corporate environments I'd prob
N spec is not
supported by qmail, and is in general too complex to be a good choice.
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, but I don't see ambiguity in them,
> and I don't see how including them in the software distributions would
> make them any more legally significant.
Equally, you should not confuse *your* needs (or lack thereof) with
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ken.
Are there any? I've certainly never encountered one; I have simply
formed the habit of manually editing out the direct address.
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non-profit organizations. Qmail has been rock-solid, and virtual
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and -s switches to ezmlm-make to make
it subscription-moderated and subscriber-only.
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hoping it will go away? I think the
shrink-wrap license issue, in particular, has gotten out of hand, but
I don't think stomping your feet and pretending it doesn't exist will
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t I suggest that you limit yourself to expressing your own
opinion? This "all reasonable people agree with me" assertion is
unsupported, and I suspect overly broad.
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with a dot or a slash, and it's the
maildir path that was failing. Do you know this will fix it, or are
you just trying the obvious next thing?
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well established in animal training,
child psychology, and behavioral psych circles for some time now, for
essentially all animals, not just newbies.
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;d say the doc is better than any other Unix
package I've installed.
As to "which is right" when the various docs differ -- guess what?
There isn't an official "right" handed down from on high. Qmail
conforms to the Unix philosophy, and should be best rega
lt gives them a chance to survive. I don't happen to agree with
them; on the other hand, I'll be a lot of newbies come to understand
the situation much better through reading threads like this one, which
wouldn't happen without all three groups present.
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files.
> Perhaps if they don't behave like other .qmail files, they should have
> another name (.vpopmail comes to mind).
In fact, this can be cited as an example of the dangers of asking on
the wrong list. It was really a vpopmail question, and I'll bet
people o
g they deserve a slow, painful,
death, myself, though.
In other words, I agree with most of the analysis, but prefer to use
gentler language in my descriptions.
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e to killfile them, or just ignore the messages.
You're certainly not under any obligation. And it's obvious that your
attitude will be better if you don't try!
Just so you don't get to the point of arguing that it's actively
*wrong* to help them (which you haven't yet).
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he same local router with the first
> sub-network to go internet.
Dunno about anybody else; but I read this the first time, read it
again, couldn't figure it out, and moved on. It sounds like perhaps
you have routing problems in your network, rather than actual
qmail/rblsmtpd problems.
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software quality, California would have to declare
> > bankruptcy. Then you have more problems that a few free software
> > hackers.
> >
>
> When did California become known for software manufacture? Are you thinking
> of Washington?
Oh, sometime in the 60's
ification".
I think you've been smoking something that's a controlled substance in
this country. I haven't found the people who offer commercial support
to be shy in offering free support here.
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asantos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 6 December 2000 at 20:33:05 -0100
> From: David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > 4) Badly disguised manouvers to create a qmail maintaners guild or two,
> that
> > > as all guilds profits from the seclusion
rticular case, however, you are
accusing some of the most valuable contributors to the list of bad
faith, and misrepresenting their actions. I consider that pretty
important, and needing a response. It's also an area where it's best
for people *not* to try to defend themselves general
asantos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes on 6 December 2000 at 22:07:47 -0100
> From: David Dyer-Bennet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Most of the points were matters of personal opinion, or were true, or
> >were not too important. In this particular case, however, you are
&
ns, which
qmail eschews.
I was a little surprised to not find this in the FAQ, and not
obviously on www.qmail.org, since this is in fact a question that's
frequently asked. Maybe it should go somewhere for easy reference in
the future?
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ubscribing, i.e., opting in. His
description sounds to me rather like e-groups or topica, except
oriented towards "newsletters" rather than mailing lists.
(Of course, a clever spammer who wanted our help could just lie about
stuff, and if they weren't up and running there'd be
but which actually call qmail-inject. Try pointing the scripts at
that.
(Installation isn't very standardized, but you should know or be able
to figure out where it got installed on your system.)
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here by that name. (#5.1.1)
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I see your point. Mea culpa. (I dunno about the rest of you guys, but we
> only allow alphanumerics, dashes, periods and underscores in our
> addresses.)
I keep the email addresses here simple, but I do think it's important
to support the wider world out there.
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ng. For
example, here's the run file from my service directory for pop:
exec env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin" \
tcpserver -H -R 0 pop3 \
qmail-popup gw.dd-b.net \
checkvpw qmail-pop3d Maildir/
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simple rules, and I double-checked the docs just now.
Also, this particular pair of rules doesn't allow a connection from
port 25 here to port 25 elsewhere, or vice versa. Does qmail do that,
or are the outbound connects always from non-priv ports? And do
*other* people do t
ystems see different DNS answers than external systems) to
cause incoming mail to go from the gateway to the intended server.
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ke everyone else's, is not
> limited by disk throughput, but by network throughput. Or are you
> delivering all those emails locally?
Um, most reporting measured results from optimizing high-traffic
qmail-based mail servers have found that disk activity on the queue
disk is the first limi
'm sending the unsubscribe message for you, to see if you ever see
the confirmation message (and if you do, try replying, who knows?).
Not being the list-owner, and more importantly, not having
command-line access to ezmlm on list.cr.yp.to, I can't do anything
about directly fixing your
he
chain, and you can't control it.
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hments that had this =
> trouble ranged in size from a 128kb .DOC file, to a 4mb .EPS file. =20
>
> Although not a major problem -- yet -- I'd like to know if there is some =
> configuration issue on my end that will prevent this. All the users who =
> had this troubl
to
> put splogger on qmail-start command line if it does not even get
> used?
I'm not sure; is this perhaps vestigial, or to cover the possibility
that something will emit output even though it's not expected?
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to have locks on the doors to
your house, even though they (and the police) don't completely solve
the problem.
Possibly virus scanners don't solve the problem, and are still useful?
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"relaytest%abuse.net". It's likely that
you have no such user on your system; if so, the message will be
bounced. If you do have such a user, it will be delivered to that
user. In no case, however, will it be relayed to
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What's the very
help convince other people to get involved.
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s the wrong answer internally. Split DNS is, I guess, the
sophisticated answer, but for a simple setup smtproutes is a useful
approach to that problem.
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qmtp, would I ever want a different list of relaying IP's for
qmtp than for smtp? For future generality, should I be using the same
cdb for both?
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ndent on yet another system to get your email,
what does this actually hurt? (That one reason may be enough for you
to want to put up with it; you know your needs best. I'm just trying
to be sure I'm not overlooking some consequence.)
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twice as fast as smtp in terms of the amount of
> time a message spends sitting in the queue.
Cool.
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o
the files that control the final delivery (which are in the user's
directory and owned by the user; while smtpd is running not as root
but as a dedicated user that may not have any access to user
directories).
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hat I've handled something like 20 times that much mail in a day
on a single Cyrix 166 with 96M ram, though.
In fact, the upper limit might quite possibly end up depending on disk
throughput, and you say nothing about your disk subsystem. However,
for your 2000 emails, don't sweat it
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