Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-17 Thread Mattia Gentilini (QD)
Tim Walker wrote: >> The FLOZ project >> http://www.oszoo.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Live_OS_Zoo > This really is too cool ;) Thanks ;-) > What hardware is it running on? Currently we use a dual xeon 2.8 GHz with hyperthreading and 2 GB physical RAM. -- MG55: Mattia Gentilini & 55 Virtual Machines

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-17 Thread Tim Walker
Mattia Gentilini (QD) wrote: Tim Walker wrote: That may not be true - I'm not sure but I think something reasonable could be done in Java. There is certainly a Java VNC client available which could play a part. The FLOZ project http://www.oszoo.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Live_OS_Zoo Uses

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread Mattia Gentilini (QD)
Tim Walker wrote: > That may not be true - I'm not sure but I think something reasonable > could be done in Java. There is certainly a Java VNC client available > which could play a part. The FLOZ project http://www.oszoo.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Live_OS_Zoo Uses the tightVNC Java applet to connect

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:07:32 +0200 "Christian MICHON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you're putting c++ inside the qemu source tree when it is not > needed (yet). Perhaps I'm still not making myself clear. I did _not_ suggest that a WxWidgets GUI be integrated into QEMU. I assumed we were all tal

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread Oliver Gerlich
Christian MICHON wrote: you're putting c++ inside the qemu source tree when it is not needed (yet). if SDL is common to most guest screens: I agree with you that the gui/toolkit should overlay the SDL. Yet Fabrice mentionned months ago this was not his intention, so we should respect it and (ho

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread Christian MICHON
you're putting c++ inside the qemu source tree when it is not needed (yet). if SDL is common to most guest screens: I agree with you that the gui/toolkit should overlay the SDL. Yet Fabrice mentionned months ago this was not his intention, so we should respect it and (hopefully) close this long

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:45:24 +0100 Stuart Brady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 09:21:46AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > > > WxWidgets (www.wxwidgets.org) provides a nice way out of this - > > provides a uniform API for the application developer, and local > > look-and-feel

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: > I thought I share this with you all. I have been looking into XEN lately and > someone has developed a GUI-Frontend for it. Here's the link below showing > images for the GUI interface to manage xen. A similar type GUI interface could > be done for QEMU.

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread Joe Lee
I thought I share this with you all. I have been looking into XEN lately and someone has developed a GUI-Frontend for it. Here's the link below showing images for the GUI interface to manage xen. A similar type GUI interface could be done for QEMU. I wonder want programming tool used for it. h

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread Stuart Brady
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 09:21:46AM +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > WxWidgets (www.wxwidgets.org) provides a nice way out of this - provides > a uniform API for the application developer, and local look-and-feel for > each platform. WxWidgets can sit on gtk, motif, x11, win32, mac, cocoa > (doesn't

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread kadil
On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 16:34 -0400, Joe Lee wrote: > > BTW, I am curious to know how much would it cost to develop a good > GUI-Frontend for QEMU that would be comparable to VMware. How much man > hours would this likely take? > > Joe Firstly, we do not have to start from scratch. There are so

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-16 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:17:09 -0500 John Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 09:18, Joe Lee wrote: > > > I appreciate the effort that some are making to develop a GUI for > > QEMU - There's a few project I see that trying to achieve this. > > But, I wish they all could come t

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Tim Walker
John Morris wrote: On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 09:18, Joe Lee wrote: I appreciate the effort that some are making to develop a GUI for QEMU - There's a few project I see that trying to achieve this. But, I wish they all could come together and work together to develop a nice GUI. I w

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread John Morris
On Thu, 2006-06-15 at 09:18, Joe Lee wrote: > I appreciate the effort that some are making to develop a GUI for QEMU - > There's a few project I see that trying to achieve this. But, I wish > they all could come together and work together to develop a nice GUI. I > would like to see a sub-proje

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Rick Vernam
On Thursday 15 June 2006 23:31, Joe Lee wrote: > I glad to see many people sharing comments and making suggestions since > this thread topic started. I seems there enough interest to have a > GUI-Frontend for QEMU. I am hopeful this can lead to getting something > started. > > I'd like to see a pol

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Joe Lee
Rick Vernam wrote: QEMU leaves me with very few 'itches to be scratched' ... The basic tasks that a QUI should confine itself to, IMO, are already pretty darn easy - define/manage a VM (via a shell script for me), start it, stop it, pause it...etc.. Even so, I've been thinking about this for

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Rick Vernam
QEMU leaves me with very few 'itches to be scratched' ... The basic tasks that a QUI should confine itself to, IMO, are already pretty darn easy - define/manage a VM (via a shell script for me), start it, stop it, pause it...etc.. Even so, I've been thinking about this for some time - months pr

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Oliver Gerlich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johannes Schindelin schrieb: > Hi, > > On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Oliver Gerlich wrote: > > >>Johannes Schindelin schrieb: >> >>>On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: >>> >>> BTW, I am curious to know how much would it cost to develop a good GUI-Fro

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, Oliver Gerlich wrote: > Johannes Schindelin schrieb: > > > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: > > > >>BTW, I am curious to know how much would it cost to develop a good > >>GUI-Frontend for QEMU that would be comparable to VMware. How much man > >>hours would this like

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Oliver Gerlich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Johannes Schindelin schrieb: > Hi, > > On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: > > >>BTW, I am curious to know how much would it cost to develop a good >>GUI-Frontend for QEMU that would be comparable to VMware. How much man >>hours would this likely

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Joe Lee
Johannes Schindelin wrote: Hi, On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: You're right! However, as Julian pointed out: it is less than fascinating to work on a GUI, _especially_ if it is for the masses who tend to criticize without contributing*Footnote 1*. I am not sure I agree if that t

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Joe Lee
Johannes Schindelin wrote: Hi, On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: BTW, I am curious to know how much would it cost to develop a good GUI-Frontend for QEMU that would be comparable to VMware. How much man hours would this likely take? I do not know VMware. Anybody? I would be intere

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: > BTW, I am curious to know how much would it cost to develop a good > GUI-Frontend for QEMU that would be comparable to VMware. How much man > hours would this likely take? I do not know VMware. Anybody? I would be interested, too, to know how complica

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: > > > > You're right! However, as Julian pointed out: it is less than fascinating to > > work on a GUI, _especially_ if it is for the masses who tend to criticize > > without contributing*Footnote 1*. > > I am not sure I agree if that thought. It really de

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Joe Lee
Johannes Schindelin wrote: Hi, On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: Some of us appriciate the fact that qemu has no "GUI" per se. ;0) Your right! the keyword is "some" but not all. I think if QEMU is to be adopted by the masses it will need to come up with a quality GUI-Frontend.

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Joe Lee
You're right! However, as Julian pointed out: it is less than fascinating to work on a GUI, _especially_ if it is for the masses who tend to criticize without contributing*Footnote 1*. I am not sure I agree if that thought. It really depends on the mission or goal of the project. In the case f

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Oliver Gerlich
Joe Lee wrote: Some of us appriciate the fact that qemu has no "GUI" per se. ;0) Your right! the keyword is "some" but not all. I think if QEMU is to be adopted by the masses it will need to come up with a quality GUI-Frontend. However the CLI can always be in place for those who want and p

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Joe Lee wrote: > > Some of us appriciate the fact that qemu has no "GUI" per se. ;0) > Your right! the keyword is "some" but not all. I think if QEMU is to be > adopted by the masses it will need to come up with a quality GUI-Frontend. You're right! However, as Julian

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Joe Lee
Some of us appriciate the fact that qemu has no "GUI" per se. ;0) Your right! the keyword is "some" but not all. I think if QEMU is to be adopted by the masses it will need to come up with a quality GUI-Frontend. However the CLI can always be in place for those who want and prefer to use it. O

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Johannes Schindelin
Hi, On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Julian Seward wrote: > On Thursday 15 June 2006 14:18, WaxDragon wrote: > > On 6/15/06, kadil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 18:10 +0200, Oliver Gerlich wrote: > > > Real world, gui's are just so easy & desirable, especially if the gui is > > > con

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread Julian Seward
On Thursday 15 June 2006 14:18, WaxDragon wrote: > On 6/15/06, kadil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 18:10 +0200, Oliver Gerlich wrote: > > Real world, gui's are just so easy & desirable, especially if the gui is > > consistent across os's, and part of the original distro. I t

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread WaxDragon
On 6/15/06, kadil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 18:10 +0200, Oliver Gerlich wrote: Real world, gui's are just so easy & desirable, especially if the gui is consistent across os's, and part of the original distro. I think take-up would be huge (well huge-er, current takeup is h

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-15 Thread kadil
On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 18:10 +0200, Oliver Gerlich wrote: > Btw. regarding your earlier question about a Qemu GUI similar to VMware: > AFAIK at least two people have posted GUI patches for Qemu (look in the > mailing list archive); so far there has been little response to that, > and I suppose t

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Oliver Gerlich
Joe Lee wrote: Why on earth would we want to make a crippled version of qemu? AFAIK "Creating" a VMware virtual machine is just making a config file. qemu doesn't have config files, so your question makes no sense. Well, I was not thinking or suggesting of a crippled qemu version. I asked th

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Joe Lee
Thanks for the comments below, It seems that QEMU can easily be used to run images. I will start to look into the availabe GUI front-ends for QEMU. - joe Jan Marten Simons wrote: Am Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 18:21 schrieb Daniel P. Berrange: An VMWare player "appliance" is really just a disk

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Mattia Gentilini
Jan Marten Simons wrote: > Have a look at: http://www.oszoo.org/ I wanted to suggest this too. Also check the Free Live OS Zoo, which I'm currently developing: http://www.oszoo.org/wiki/index.php/Free_Live_OS_Zoo -- |\/|55: Mattia Gentilini e 55 mila euri al mese |/_| 3-Year Degree in Computer Sc

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Jan Marten Simons
Am Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 18:21 schrieb Daniel P. Berrange: > An VMWare player "appliance" is really just a disk image & config file. > Running a disk image in QEMU is just a matter of executing > >qemu -hda /path/to/image > > Perhaps adding "-m XXX" to set increased RAM. > > This is no harde

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Larry Brigman
On 6/14/06, Joe Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Why on earth would we want to make a crippled version of qemu? > > AFAIK "Creating" a VMware virtual machine is just making a config file. > qemu doesn't have config files, so your question makes no sense. Well, I was not thinking or suggesting o

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 12:12:43PM -0400, Joe Lee wrote: > You are right, and the idea is that the person have full interaction > with the application environment including the underlying LAMP/WAMP > stack that has been packaged. Users that want to quickly run and > test-drive the appliance may

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Jan Marten Simons
Am Mittwoch, 14. Juni 2006 17:53 schrieb Joe Lee: > Well, I was not thinking or suggesting of a crippled qemu version. I > asked the question because there are some software > appliances which are pre-built and pre-configured apps that are built on > a LAMP stack and packaged as a single image > ty

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Joe Lee
You are right, and the idea is that the person have full interaction with the application environment including the underlying LAMP/WAMP stack that has been packaged. Users that want to quickly run and test-drive the appliance may not really need a full VM type application. Just something that

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Paul Brook
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 16:53, Joe Lee wrote: > > Why on earth would we want to make a crippled version of qemu? > > > > AFAIK "Creating" a VMware virtual machine is just making a config file. > > qemu doesn't have config files, so your question makes no sense. > > Well, I was not thinking or sug

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Joe Lee
Why on earth would we want to make a crippled version of qemu? AFAIK "Creating" a VMware virtual machine is just making a config file. qemu doesn't have config files, so your question makes no sense. Well, I was not thinking or suggesting of a crippled qemu version. I asked the question because

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Paul Brook
On Wednesday 14 June 2006 15:55, Joe Lee wrote: > I was wondering if there's the capability to have a "vmware player" type > functionality to qemu. This is just to allow playing or running images > with out needing to create virtual machines. May this could be a > separate product. What's everyones

[Qemu-devel] VMware Player

2006-06-14 Thread Joe Lee
I was wondering if there's the capability to have a "vmware player" type functionality to qemu. This is just to allow playing or running images with out needing to create virtual machines. May this could be a separate product. What's everyones thought to this? Joe ___

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMWare player

2005-10-22 Thread Jim C. Brown
On Fri, Oct 21, 2005 at 12:29:45PM -0700, John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > I doubt this is targeted at QEMU, I agree. It seems it can do 3 things that qemu currently can't: Use certain types of host hardware (such as DVD or USB), copy & paste between host and guest, and support drag & drop. None of thes

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMWare player

2005-10-21 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
On Fri, 2005-10-21 at 13:22 -0700, Mike Swanson wrote: > Yeah, it barely on topic. But the .vmx files are extremely simple text > files, and qemu-img creates vmdk disk images. That was my first thought when I saw this as well. > Yes, it's possible to > install operating systems solely withing VM

Re: [Qemu-devel] VMWare player

2005-10-21 Thread Mike Swanson
Yeah, it barely on topic. But the .vmx files are extremely simple text files, and qemu-img creates vmdk disk images. Yes, it's possible to install operating systems solely withing VMware (this is the correct spelling, btw) Player, but you cannot install VMware Tools, even with the appropriate (wind

[Qemu-devel] VMWare player

2005-10-21 Thread John R. Hogerhuis
Barely on-topic, but since VmWare interop crops up from time to time: http://www.vmware.com/products/player/ I doubt this is targeted at QEMU, but rather at competing with Microsoft and VirtualPC. That or they are leaving the low-end market for server consolidation. This may in fact be as much V