Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-28 Thread Knut Omang
On Mon, 2017-03-27 at 17:32 +0100, Peter Maydell wrote: > On 26 March 2017 at 10:16, Knut Omang wrote: > > On Sat, 2017-03-25 at 21:15 +, Peter Maydell wrote: > >> On 25 March 2017 at 20:49, Knut Omang wrote: > >> > > >> > Can we please keep the Sparc support in for a while still? > >> > >> Y

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-27 Thread Peter Maydell
On 26 March 2017 at 10:16, Knut Omang wrote: > On Sat, 2017-03-25 at 21:15 +, Peter Maydell wrote: >> On 25 March 2017 at 20:49, Knut Omang wrote: >> > >> > Can we please keep the Sparc support in for a while still? >> >> Yes, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz and the Debian Project have >> kindly pr

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-26 Thread Knut Omang
On Sat, 2017-03-25 at 21:15 +, Peter Maydell wrote: > On 25 March 2017 at 20:49, Knut Omang wrote: > > > > Can we please keep the Sparc support in for a while still? > > Yes, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz and the Debian Project have > kindly provided me with access to a Sparc box. I'm planning >

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-25 Thread Peter Maydell
On 25 March 2017 at 20:49, Knut Omang wrote: > Can we please keep the Sparc support in for a while still? Yes, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz and the Debian Project have kindly provided me with access to a Sparc box. I'm planning to send a patch that puts sparc into the 'supported' category before 2.9

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-25 Thread Knut Omang
On Thu, 2017-03-16 at 15:23 +, Peter Maydell wrote: > OK, here's a concrete proposal for deprecating/dropping out of > date host OS and architecture support. > > We'll put this in the ChangeLog 'Future incompatible changes' > section: > - > * Removal of support for untested host OS and arc

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-24 Thread Peter Maydell
On 24 March 2017 at 01:28, Richard Henderson wrote: > I also have access to a sparc box. > > (At the moment I'm trying to update it from 2013 era system libraries, and > to enable the 64-bit userland, before I do any testing of current mainline.) So far I have found that we seem to be mishandling

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-23 Thread Richard Henderson
On 03/23/2017 09:02 PM, Peter Maydell wrote: On 23 March 2017 at 10:33, Paolo Bonzini wrote: I own a MIPS Creator ci20 board (donated by Imagination Technologies). I cannot give it a public IP address, but I can try and use it to do builds every now and then. I think our best bet is probably

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-23 Thread Peter Maydell
On 23 March 2017 at 10:33, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > I own a MIPS Creator ci20 board (donated by Imagination Technologies). > I cannot give it a public IP address, but I can try and use it to do > builds every now and then. I think our best bet is probably to fix our test suite's overreliance on /tm

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-23 Thread Paolo Bonzini
On 22/03/2017 14:09, Peter Maydell wrote: > On 22 March 2017 at 12:51, Alex Bennée wrote: >> Peter Maydell writes: >>> ...unfortunately the gcc compile farm mips board (1) is very slow >>> and (2) has very little disk space free in /tmp, which means that >>> it can't pass "make check" because f

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-22 Thread Thomas Huth
On 22.03.2017 14:09, Peter Maydell wrote: > On 22 March 2017 at 12:51, Alex Bennée wrote: >> Peter Maydell writes: >>> ...unfortunately the gcc compile farm mips board (1) is very slow >>> and (2) has very little disk space free in /tmp, which means that >>> it can't pass "make check" because for

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-22 Thread Peter Maydell
On 22 March 2017 at 12:51, Alex Bennée wrote: > Peter Maydell writes: >> ...unfortunately the gcc compile farm mips board (1) is very slow >> and (2) has very little disk space free in /tmp, which means that >> it can't pass "make check" because for instance tests/test-replication >> assumes it c

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-22 Thread Alex Bennée
Peter Maydell writes: > On 16 March 2017 at 15:23, Peter Maydell wrote: >> (Technically right this instant 'mips' and 's390' would be in the >> 'dump' list, since I don't personally have access yet. But we have >> a plan for s390, and it turns out there is a mips machine in the >> gcc compile f

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-21 Thread Eric Blake
On 03/16/2017 10:46 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > >> Should "native CYGWIN" be in the drop list? I only test >> mingw cross compile, but configure has a separate section for >> CYGWIN in its $targetos case statement. > > Cygwin is different enough from mingw that I'd basically call > it a comp

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-17 Thread Peter Maydell
On 17 March 2017 at 10:30, Thomas Huth wrote: > On 17.03.2017 11:15, Peter Maydell wrote: >> On 17 March 2017 at 10:12, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >>> In the mail thread two months back Sean Bruno did suggest he might like >>> to just start over with bsd-user: >>> >>> https://lists.gnu.org/archi

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-17 Thread Thomas Huth
On 17.03.2017 11:15, Peter Maydell wrote: > On 17 March 2017 at 10:12, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> In the mail thread two months back Sean Bruno did suggest he might like >> to just start over with bsd-user: >> >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2017-01/msg00171.html >> >> So perh

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-17 Thread Peter Maydell
On 17 March 2017 at 10:12, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > In the mail thread two months back Sean Bruno did suggest he might like > to just start over with bsd-user: > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2017-01/msg00171.html > > So perhaps someone should just ping him to see if he obje

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-17 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 10:09:51AM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > On 16.03.2017 17:52, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > > > > > > On 16/03/2017 16:55, Peter Maydell wrote: > >>> IOW, I think there is a reasonable 3 tier set here > >>> > >>> 1. Stuff we actively test builds & thus guarantee will work for > >>

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-17 Thread Peter Maydell
On 16 March 2017 at 18:59, Dr. David Alan Gilbert wrote: > I build-test the FreeBSD when I do migration pulls; given it's > just a VM it's not too hard; my main reason is that I use it as > a proxy that gives it a good chance to get past your MacOS build. Yeah, I have no in principle objection to

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-17 Thread Thomas Huth
On 16.03.2017 17:52, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > > > On 16/03/2017 16:55, Peter Maydell wrote: >>> IOW, I think there is a reasonable 3 tier set here >>> >>> 1. Stuff we actively test builds & thus guarantee will work for >>> any QEMU release going forward. >>> >>> 2. Stuff we don't actively tes

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-17 Thread Markus Armbruster
"Daniel P. Berrange" writes: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 03:55:13PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: >> On 16 March 2017 at 15:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: >> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 03:23:45PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: >> >> OK, here's a concrete proposal for deprecating/dropping out of >> >> dat

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Dr. David Alan Gilbert
* Peter Maydell (peter.mayd...@linaro.org) wrote: > On 16 March 2017 at 15:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 03:23:45PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: > >> OK, here's a concrete proposal for deprecating/dropping out of > >> date host OS and architecture support. > >> > >> We'l

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 06:01:35PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: > On 16 March 2017 at 15:23, Peter Maydell wrote: > > (Technically right this instant 'mips' and 's390' would be in the > > 'dump' list, since I don't personally have access yet. But we have > > a plan for s390, and it turns out there

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Peter Maydell
On 16 March 2017 at 15:23, Peter Maydell wrote: > (Technically right this instant 'mips' and 's390' would be in the > 'dump' list, since I don't personally have access yet. But we have > a plan for s390, and it turns out there is a mips machine in the > gcc compile farm which I'm just checking out

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Paolo Bonzini
On 16/03/2017 16:55, Peter Maydell wrote: >> IOW, I think there is a reasonable 3 tier set here >> >> 1. Stuff we actively test builds & thus guarantee will work for >> any QEMU release going forward. >> >> 2. Stuff we don't actively test, but generally assume is mostly >> working, and

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Peter Maydell
On 16 March 2017 at 16:16, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > BTW, by "build & test system available", presumably you mean a system > that someone has committed to actively maintaining, not merely donation > of (or access to) hardware on which to install & run VMs ? My personal minimum is "something I c

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 03:23:45PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: > OK, here's a concrete proposal for deprecating/dropping out of > date host OS and architecture support. > > We'll put this in the ChangeLog 'Future incompatible changes' > section: > - > * Removal of support for untested host OS

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 04:06:35PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: > On 16 March 2017 at 16:00, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > I'm just pretty wary of gratuitously deleting stuff that still > > has a reasonable chance of being functional, simply because > > we lack CI testing. > > Well, me too, but I

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Peter Maydell
On 16 March 2017 at 16:00, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > I'm just pretty wary of gratuitously deleting stuff that still > has a reasonable chance of being functional, simply because > we lack CI testing. Well, me too, but I think that if nobody turns up to help us or donate a test machine despite c

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 03:55:13PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: > On 16 March 2017 at 15:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 03:23:45PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: > >> OK, here's a concrete proposal for deprecating/dropping out of > >> date host OS and architecture support. >

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Hi, > I'm not sure here if we want to just have this as a bald list, > or to have some kind of two tier setup with OSes we expect to > dump in one tier and OSes where we're really trolling for a build > machine in the other tier (the "unlikely to dump" category would > get most of the BSD varian

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Peter Maydell
On 16 March 2017 at 15:46, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 03:23:45PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: >> OK, here's a concrete proposal for deprecating/dropping out of >> date host OS and architecture support. >> >> We'll put this in the ChangeLog 'Future incompatible changes' >> s

Re: [Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 03:23:45PM +, Peter Maydell wrote: > OK, here's a concrete proposal for deprecating/dropping out of > date host OS and architecture support. > > We'll put this in the ChangeLog 'Future incompatible changes' > section: > - > * Removal of support for untested host OS

[Qemu-devel] Proposal for deprecating unsupported host OSes & architecutures

2017-03-16 Thread Peter Maydell
OK, here's a concrete proposal for deprecating/dropping out of date host OS and architecture support. We'll put this in the ChangeLog 'Future incompatible changes' section: - * Removal of support for untested host OS and architectures: The QEMU Project intends to drop support in a future rele