Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-02-01 Thread Jon Ribbens
Simon Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You sound like the sort of person who should be using the one I wrote, > > http://jonpy.sf.net/ ;-) It's designed to be lightweight and easy to > > use as well as powerful (it's very simple, nothing like the complexity > > of Zope etc). > > > > Just a

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-02-01 Thread Jon Ribbens
Mamading Ceesay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC, jonpy supports fastcgi amongst other things. I read a good > piece about fastcgi not too long ago: Yes, it lets you write your code once and run it without change using CGI, mod_python or FastCGI. I (or anyone) could make it do SCGI too but I've

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-28 Thread Mamading Ceesay
On 28/01/06, John J Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "...all progress depends on the unreasonable man." -- George Bernard Shaw > Too true. Unfortunately unreasonable men often find plenty of knives and arrows in their back. -- Mamading Ceesay "Isn't a state that keeps files on innocent person

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-28 Thread John J Lee
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006, Mamading Ceesay wrote: > On 25/01/06, Doug Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > > http://adju.st/entry/sucky-web-frameworks-redux > > Knowing something of your history with Zope and more recently with > Twisted, I was quite surprised to read this. I guess it's more > ev

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-27 Thread Mamading Ceesay
On 25/01/06, Doug Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just wrote a long response to this, and then decided it ought to be a > blog entry instead, since I was planning one anyhow: > > http://adju.st/entry/sucky-web-frameworks-redux > Knowing something of your history with Zope and more recently

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-27 Thread Mamading Ceesay
On 26/01/06, Doug Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There have been a lot of complaints about the diversity of web solutions > for Python, as opposed to Ruby where there is just the one, as if > somehow it was a bad thing. It may be confusing for newcomers, but I > can't honestly believe that

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-27 Thread Mamading Ceesay
On 25/01/06, Jon Ribbens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You sound like the sort of person who should be using the one I wrote, > http://jonpy.sf.net/ ;-) It's designed to be lightweight and easy to > use as well as powerful (it's very simple, nothing like the complexity > of Zope etc). > IIRC, jo

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-27 Thread Mamading Ceesay
On 25/01/06, Doug Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think the great advantage of the explicit MVC model (and I believe RoR > is basically the same here) is that it's very obvious where things go. > Absolutely spot-on! > > Performance is acceptable, and with a postgres or mysql back-end you

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-26 Thread Andy Robinson
Doug Bromley wrote: > Oh dear. I've been investing lots of time recently in Rails. Now I > find out TG is just as good and its in the language I know. My own 2p worth is that Django is also excellent and 'does what it says on the tin'. Unfortunately it was sufficiently good that my resolution

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-26 Thread Doug Bromley
Oh dear. I've been investing lots of time recently in Rails. Now I find out TG is just as good and its in the language I know. On 1/26/06, Doug Winter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Bengtsson wrote: > > I've read your blog and your replies here with great interest. > > The points you make abo

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-26 Thread Doug Winter
Peter Bengtsson wrote: > I've read your blog and your replies here with great interest. > The points you make about understanding and progress are very interesting. > No wonder [some] people think Zope sucks because Acquisition is so > difficult to grok; but now after having understood its power I

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-25 Thread Simon Faulkner
> You sound like the sort of person who should be using the one I wrote, > http://jonpy.sf.net/ ;-) It's designed to be lightweight and easy to > use as well as powerful (it's very simple, nothing like the complexity > of Zope etc). > > Just a quick plug ;-) LOL - you should be on Parkinson with

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-25 Thread Jon Ribbens
Simon Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://adju.st/entry/sucky-web-frameworks-redux > > I feel like the guy on the Fast Show picking his football team! > > Everytime I decide to go with a certain framework someone else makes a > good case for a different one and after I faff around for

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-25 Thread Peter Bengtsson
Doug, I've read your blog and your replies here with great interest. The points you make about understanding and progress are very interesting. No wonder [some] people think Zope sucks because Acquisition is so difficult to grok; but now after having understood its power I feel this is one of Zope

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-25 Thread Simon Faulkner
> http://adju.st/entry/sucky-web-frameworks-redux I feel like the guy on the Fast Show picking his football team! Everytime I decide to go with a certain framework someone else makes a good case for a different one and after I faff around for weeks I end up writing it in 2 days in naked Python

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-25 Thread Doug Winter
Simon Faulkner wrote: >>RoR and TG share the explict MVC model as a one-size-fits-all approach >>to web development, which may or may not be a bad thing depending on >>your application I guess. TG does seem to provide everything you need >>to write a complex web application, and it does provide

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-24 Thread Simon Faulkner
> RoR and TG share the explict MVC model as a one-size-fits-all approach > to web development, which may or may not be a bad thing depending on > your application I guess. TG does seem to provide everything you need > to write a complex web application, and it does provide a huge amount of > t

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-24 Thread Doug Winter
Simon Faulkner wrote: >>Yep, and it's pretty good too. Why do you ask? > > > I often need to write small, simple databases and have friends 'foaming' > about RoR. > > If TurboGears can give me pretty much what RoR would but will also allow > me to use my (pathetic) Python skills then I will i

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-24 Thread Michael
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 19:21, Simon Faulkner wrote: > > > Yep, and it's pretty good too. Why do you ask? > > > > I often need to write small, simple databases and have friends 'foaming' > > about RoR. > > > > If TurboGears can give me pretty much what RoR would but will also allow > > me to us

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-24 Thread Michael
On Tuesday 24 January 2006 19:21, Simon Faulkner wrote: > > Yep, and it's pretty good too. Why do you ask? > > I often need to write small, simple databases and have friends 'foaming' > about RoR. > > If TurboGears can give me pretty much what RoR would but will also allow > me to use my (pathetic

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-24 Thread Simon Faulkner
> Yep, and it's pretty good too. Why do you ask? I often need to write small, simple databases and have friends 'foaming' about RoR. If TurboGears can give me pretty much what RoR would but will also allow me to use my (pathetic) Python skills then I will invest some time having a go... Sim

Re: [python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-24 Thread Doug Winter
Simon Faulkner wrote: > Anyone in the UK using Turbogears? Yep, and it's pretty good too. Why do you ask? doug. -- "The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted i

[python-uk] Turbogears

2006-01-24 Thread Simon Faulkner
Anyone in the UK using Turbogears? Sim ___ python-uk mailing list python-uk@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk