Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Gadget/Steve
On 07/02/2012 5:20 PM, Matt Hamilton wrote: > > On 7 Feb 2012, at 17:16, Tim Golden wrote: > >> On 07/02/2012 17:15, Tom Viner wrote: >>> René, that's called Rest Driven Development :-) (Although that can mean >>> "no sleep allowed until it's done!") >> >> That would be Rest-Depriven Development, s

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Michael Grazebrook
There is no one true way of development. The standards my brother works to on civil aircraft systems, are utterly different from what I experience in the commercial world - thank goodness. As a freelancer, I often come into chatoic clients. Heres a method I sometimes use: Most people know what st

Re: [python-uk] Future Dojo idea ... randomised trials

2012-02-07 Thread Carl Reynolds
I'm happy to provide informal advise on trial design Power calculations are the starting point for proper RCTs... Michael Grazebrook wrote: >It would be amusing to do a randomised trial, well-designed, and submit >the results to some prestigious journal. > >Of course we'd probably be turned dow

Re: [python-uk] Future Dojo idea ... randomised trials

2012-02-07 Thread Michael Grazebrook
It would be amusing to do a randomised trial, well-designed, and submit the results to some prestigious journal. Of course we'd probably be turned down. But then again, I bet there are very few academic studies based on the use of hardened professionals like us. Or even ... we could look for pape

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Matt Hamilton
On 7 Feb 2012, at 17:16, Tim Golden wrote: > On 07/02/2012 17:15, Tom Viner wrote: >> René, that's called Rest Driven Development :-) (Although that can mean >> "no sleep allowed until it's done!") > > That would be Rest-Depriven Development, surely :) And don't forget Limi's "Embarrassment Dri

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Will McGugan
It might be worth testing 'hate driven development', a methodology I have used a few times. That's when you hate the project so much, you do whatever it takes to get it out the door. Can be surprisingly effective. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:16 PM, Tim Golden wrote: > On 07/02/2012 17:15, Tom Viner

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Tim Golden
On 07/02/2012 17:15, Tom Viner wrote: René, that's called Rest Driven Development :-) (Although that can mean "no sleep allowed until it's done!") That would be Rest-Depriven Development, surely :) TJG ___ python-uk mailing list python-uk@python.org

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Tom Viner
René, that's called Rest Driven Development :-) (Although that can mean "no sleep allowed until it's done!") I've also attended an Emily Bache TDD formal dojo as well as Harry Percival's code-along Test-Driven-Django-Tutorial. Both were really good to help learn a discipline I personally find it h

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread René Dudfield
Tell one group the night before the problem, so they can practice 'sleep on it' development? ___ python-uk mailing list python-uk@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/02/12 15:58, David Read wrote: > [snip] >> Cheers for the links - he is great fun! That analogy about >> "guard-rail programming" though, it's the old joke about how >> you'd never buy a car that crashed as often as Windows does! I >> think I'

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/02/12 15:51, Tim Golden wrote: > On 07/02/2012 15:44, Jonathan Hartley wrote: >> On 07/02/2012 13:41, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: >>> [snip] [snip2.0] > > FWIW I agree with Jonathan here in that it's definitely worth > *demonstrating* or *advoc

Re: [python-uk] Future Dojo idea ... randomised trials

2012-02-07 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan, This sounds like the most awesomested idea for a dojo evar. :-) And yes, I agree with you in your original post that a vacuum is a bad thing. Like anything worth doing I suppose it's a balancing act so people don't feel coerced into methodo

[python-uk] Future Dojo idea ... randomised trials

2012-02-07 Thread Jonathan Hartley
People are always banging on about how programming lacks scientific rigour when it comes to evaluating common practice. Is TDD *always* faster? http://blog.8thlight.com/uncle-bob/2012/01/11/Flipping-the-Bit.html Is it *ever* faster? http://www.davewsmith.com/blog/2009/proof-that-tdd-slows-proje

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread David Read
On 7 February 2012 13:41, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hey David, > > On 07/02/12 11:36, David Read wrote: > > Those of us at last week's London Python Dojo had fun hacking > > together > > A shame I missed it :-( > > > little animated Game of

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Tim Golden
On 07/02/2012 15:44, Jonathan Hartley wrote: On 07/02/2012 13:41, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: [snip] I feel very uncomfortable promoting "one true way" to do development since I think it's essential that people discover what works best for them after reflection and exploration of lots of differe

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Jonathan Hartley
On 07/02/2012 13:41, Nicholas H.Tollervey wrote: [snip] I feel very uncomfortable promoting "one true way" to do development since I think it's essential that people discover what works best for them after reflection and exploration of lots of different solutions rather than forming habits due

Re: [python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread Nicholas H.Tollervey
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey David, On 07/02/12 11:36, David Read wrote: > Those of us at last week's London Python Dojo had fun hacking > together A shame I missed it :-( > little animated Game of Life simulators. My team's data model was > based on a set of the alive cell

[python-uk] Game of Life / TDD ideas

2012-02-07 Thread David Read
Those of us at last week's London Python Dojo had fun hacking together little animated Game of Life simulators. My team's data model was based on a set of the alive cells, rather than the world as an array / list of lists, and its a choice I pushed for having recently read an extremely relevant blo

[python-uk] The London Python scene and http://londonpython.org.uk/

2012-02-07 Thread Tim Golden
There's been a burst of activity recently by the team responsible for the London Python Dojo. If you follow Twitter, you may have seen that the Dojo now has its own Twitter account: https://twitter.com/#!/ldnpydojo which I encourage you to follow for news and updates on the Dojo. We've also c