On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> Ow, that doesn't look like a draft PEP to me, that looks like a
> 321-comment tracker issue. A PEP is usually a smidge more coherent
> than that :)
>
From: http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0001/
*PEP stands for Python Enhancement Pro
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
> Yeah, schema migration is an ugly problem.
It's not really any worse than any other sort of complex data
structure change, is it? If your persistent data lived in a pickle
file, it would likely be as bad or worse.
> ... suckitude ...
Nice word
It doesn't look like Gustavo Niemeyer is actively working on
python-dateutil. Tomi Pievilaeinen is listed on PyPI as the author, but I
have no email address for him, so I'm tossing this message in a bottle out
into the Gulf Stream in hopes that Gustavo or Tomi notice it.
I'm using imaplib to downl
On Aug 29, 2014 5:34 PM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:
> I'm not sure how suckitude is affected by bugs, exactly; possibly O(N
> log N), because each bug has a small probability of affecting another
> bug.
OTOH, bug fixes often have a fairly high probability of adding more bugs to
the system, especial
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Ethan Furman wrote:
> Thus endeth my attempts to train Skip's Polly. But I am curious -- if
> 'suckitude' is in immediate contact with punctuation such as just now, or at
> the end of a sentence, does it not count? That would be suckitude indeed! ;)
Thank you
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Seymore4Head
wrote:
> I still can't get the syntax
> test='Hey buddy get away from my car'
> if test[0].alpha():
> return True
>
My guess is you meant isalpha(), as Mark indicated. Here's a cheap way to
see what an object can do:
>>> test='Hey buddy get away
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:24 PM, MRAB wrote:
> Iterating over a list yields its contents, not indexes.
Unlike in JavaScript. Not sure where the OP is coming from, but that
"feature" of JavaScript threw me when I first encountered it. My guess
would be that his prior experience includes (at least)
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Suppose you somehow managed to create 9223372036854775807 threads. If your
> computer has 16 GB of RAM available, that means that at most each thread
> can use:
>
> py> 16*1024*1024*1024/9223372036854775807
> 1.862645149230957e-09
>
> bytes
I have slowly been converting some Python source to Cython. I'm pretty
conservative in what changes I make, mostly sprinkling a few "cdef",
"float" and "int" declarations around the pyx file. Still, conservative or
not, it's enough to choke pylint. Rather than have to maintain a pure
Python version
I started up an instance of PyCharm last Friday. It's mostly just been
sitting there like a bump on a log. I set things up to use Emacs as my
editor. It seems most of its functionality won't be all that useful. Most
of my work is on libraries/platforms - stuff which is not runnable in
isolation, so
On Sep 16, 2014 4:17 AM, "Nicholas Cannon"
wrote:
>
> Nah I mean like there is performance issues. It delivers result that I
want just mot very conveinetly fast.
Take a look at the cProfile module. That's what it's called in Python 2.x.
Not sure if it lost its camel case spelling in 3.x or is now
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:11 AM, wrote:
> I created some code recently to parse a string and create a timedelta from
> it.
Interesting. I notice that dateutil.parser.parse already understands you
notation:
>>> x = dateutil.parser.parse("5h32m15s")
>>> x
datetime.datetime(2014, 9, 23, 5, 32, 15
Maybe it's supposed to be
file://localhost/test.html
? Just a guess, as I don't use Windows.
Skip
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 4:32 AM, luofeiyu wrote:
>
> import webbrowser
> webbrowser.open('f:\\test.html')
>
> why the file f:\\test.html is opened by notepad ,not by my firefox or chrome?
>
>
>
On Sep 27, 2014 1:06 AM, "Chris Angelico" wrote:
>
> We are not going to do your homework for you.
Perhaps it was a take home test... What then? :-)
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On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 7:08 AM, Ned Batchelder
wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, what are you writing, it sounds interesting! :)
Ned would say that. I think he has an unusual fondness for static code
analysis tools. :-)
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On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Croepha
wrote:
> Long running Python jobs that consume a lot of memory while
> running may not return that memory to the operating system
> until the process actually terminates, even if everything is
> garbage collected properly.
(I see Antoine replied that this
On Oct 5, 2014 6:07 PM, "Seymore4Head" wrote:
>
> For the record, I don't want a hint. I want the answer.
> I see a practice question is similar to this.
> 15 <= x < 30 And it wants a similar expression that is equivalent.
Maybe
30 > x >= 15
? Seems more "similar" to the original expressi
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 9:47 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> Sorry Seymore if this sounds condescending -- its not a complaint
> against you but against those who treat the print statement/expression as
> kosher for newbies.
So if you're not griping about Seymore's original post, are you
griping about my
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
> So pushing beginners away from print can push them up the learning
> curve more quickly
Or more quickly discourage them. I still use print for all sorts of
things. In my opinion, there is often no need for fancy loggers,
str.format, or the wri
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 8:08 AM, wrote:
> I'm trying to find out the best way to multiply an uint64 (numpy). Could
> someone help me find the best way to achieve that and where can I find the
> time and space complexity in a Big O notation?
Multiply it by what? This works fine for me:
>>> imp
(For future reference, when responding to answers, it's worthwhile to
continue to cc python-list.)
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Marcos Schratzenstaller <
marksabb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The numpy has a function which manipulate 64 bits integers, but I couldn't
> find a specific method to multi
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
> while input('Do you like python?') not in ('yes', 'y'): pass
Unfortunately, you probably have to account for people who SHOUT:
while input('Do you like python?').lower() not in ('yes', 'y'): pass
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On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:16 AM, ryguy7272 wrote:
> I'm looking to start a team of developers, quants, and financial experts,
> to setup and manage an auto-trading-money-making-machine
>
Two things:
1. That's obviously much easier said than done. (I happen to develop
automated trading systems f
On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:13 PM, wrote:
> it doesnt seem to be present and doesnt react to the "python -m tkinter"
> -module not present
>
I don't know how it's spelled in 3.4.x, but in 2.7 it's spelled "Tkinter".
Give that a try. (Sorry, no 3.4 install handy or I'd verify it myself.)
The other
you!
>
> GD
>
> p.s. i only installed 3.4.2... thats enough right? or do i have to install
> the 2.X version as well?
>
> 2014-10-14 20:32 GMT+02:00 Skip Montanaro :
>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 1:13 PM, wrote:
>>
>>> it doesnt seem to be presen
Shuffle the keys, then grab the first 20 for one dictionary, the next 30
for the second, and the last 50 for the third.
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On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Noble Bell wrote:
> If my application uses a version of python/tkinter that is not on the users
> computer will I be able to detect that during an install and automatically
> install the proper files silently?
You mean, like this?
% python -c 'import _tkinter ;
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Noble Bell wrote:
> I realized this problem shortly after I posted the question and tried to
> go back to google groups and delete my post before anyone had seen it.
In general, that won't work, as lots of people use email (
python-list@python.org) or Usenet (co
I'd like to build a 64-bit version of Python on Solaris using gcc. I did a
bit of Googling, but everything I came up with seemed old, inconclusive or
assumes the use of the Sun Studio compiler, with which i have no
experience. Does anyone have a recipe for the subject build?
Thanks,
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> Does anyone have a recipe for the subject build?
I know Solaris is a minority platform these days, but surely someone has
tackled
this problem, haven't they?
Thx,
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Karim gmail.com> writes:
> ./configure
> make
> make install
Thanks. I have several different versions in my local sandbox. None
are 64-bit ELFs. Just to make sure I hadn't missed some new development
in this area, I cloned the hg repository and build the trunk version
from scratch. I get a
> ./configure CFLAGS=-m64 LDFLAGS=-m64 should work with a reasonably
> recent revision.
Thanks, that did, indeed work with CPython trunk. I eventually switched from
gcc to Sun's compiler though because I was getting link warnings.
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et raised as for os.popen() or do I have to call Popen.poll() even in error
situations?
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The distutils.core.setup() function accepts a bunch of attributes, among them a
download_url parameter. I don't see a way to specify a VCS repository. Is that
possible?
Thx,
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I've never really used itertools before. While trying to figure out
how to break a list up into equal pieces, I came across the consume
function in the examples here:
http://docs.python.org/2/library/itertools.html
It seems to me that it should return whatever it consumes from the
list. I thoug
Ian Kelly gmail.com> writes:
> Depending on your Python version lst is either a range object or a
> list, neither of which is an iterator. If you pass to consume an
> iterable object that is not an iterator, it will implicitly obtain an
> iterator for it, consume from the iterator, and then disc
I stumbled upon an old FFT tutorial on astro.berkeley.edu website
whose images are in xbm format. Neither Chrome nor Firefox knows how
to display X bitmap format and for Chrome at least, I've been unable
to find an extension to do the conversion (didn't hunt for a FF
extension). I can clearly dow
Numpy is a big improvement here. In Py 2.7 I get this output if I run
Steven's benchmark:
2.10364603996
3.68471002579
4.01849389076
7.41974878311
10.4202470779
9.16782712936
3.36137390137
(confirming his results). If I then run the numpy idiom for this:
import random
f
> But I was really wondering if there was a simple solution that worked
> without people having to add libraries to their basic Python installations.
I think installing numpy is approximately
pip install numpy
assuming you have write access to your site-packages directory. If
not, install u
> But a csv.DictReader might still be more efficient.
Depends on what efficiency you care about. The DictReader class is
implemented in Python, and builds a dict for every row. It will never
be more efficient CPU-wise than instantiating the csv.reader type
directly and only doing what you need.
> numberOfVertices = int(infile.readline().decode()) # Read the first line from
> the file
> AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'readline'
...
> infile = filedialog.askopenfilename()
This is just returning a filename. You need to open it to get a file
object. For example:
in
> a) If multiple processes are trying to write to the same file, I need to
> prevent that.
Two things: Use some sort of file locking. You can get the lockfile
module from PyPI. Include at least the process id as one of the
logging fields in your formatter. I haven't don't enough with the
loggin
> Whenever the GC finds a cycle that is unreferenced but uncollectable,
> it stores those objects in the list gc.garbage. At that point, if the
> user wishes to clean up those cycles, it is up to them to delve into
> gc.garbage, untangle the objects contained within, break the cycles,
> and remove
>From the Zen of Python:
> In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess.
I believe the reason something isn't already done to break cycles is
that the authors of the cyclic garbage collector considered the above
aphorism. They rely on the author of the code with the cycles to
figure
> How strange. I think it must be something to do with the gmane
> interface between news and mail then.
Probably. It was borked in Gmail as well...
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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Dave Butler
wrote:
> with gdb, can you find referents of an object given an object id?
Look at the C code for gc.get_referents and set things up to call it from GDB.
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Sybren Stuvel YOURthirdtower.com.imagination> writes:
> You might want to try in English.
Given the subject of the message, I suspect he wasn't trying to reach an
English-speaking audience... ;-)
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> Since that the decorator syntax is upon us, I think it would be good if
> atexit.register() was returning the function passed as argument. This
> simple change to the library would solve a problem with the use of
> atexit.register as a decorator (and I can't think of any use case where
> this ch
> > SERVER = "news.server.co.uk" #Insert news server here
> > GROUP = "alt.binaries.pictures.blah" #newsgroup will go here
>
> Just why do I imagine there will be an adult newsgroup in the end?
I can see the freshmeat announcement now: "Random Boob Visualizer 1.0"...
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> You have to know your enemy ;)
We have met the enemy and they are us.
http://www.igopogo.com/we_have_met.htm ;-)
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Paul> Let's say you have a SocketServer with the threading mix-in and
Paul> you run serve_forever on it. How can you shut it down, or rather,
Paul> how can it even shut itself down? Even if you use a
Paul> handle_request loop instead of serve_forever, it still seems
Paul> dif
>> I use precisely that scheme with (I think *) no problem. The only
>> maybe significant difference I see is that I subclass ThreadingMixin
>> so that it creates daemon threads: ...
Paul> According to the docs, you don't need the subclass, you can just
Paul> set the "daemon_
Paul> Yes, this is precisely what I'm asking. How do you get the server
Paul> to go away without going out of your way to connect to it again?
Paul> Don't you notice if it stays around?
Skip> It fields lots of requests, so it's possible that another request
Skip> arrives afte
Dominic> Tripoli will eventually support RDF/XML as a format for
Dominic> importing and exporting triples.
Is there some interoperability requirement with non-Python apps? If not,
why not just use pickle or marshal?
Slo[
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>> > set self.pause to something short-ish. The select call times out
>> > and the server exits.
Guido> [Paul Rubin]
>> Ah, good point. Something like this should probably be added to
>> SocketServer.py (optional timeout parameter to serve_forever), or at
>> least the tri
Gerard> Code below:
Order might be important (though hopefully not). Can you give this a try?
import time
import socket
socket.setdefaulttimeout(300)
import urllib2
...
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Chris> I tried looking through the documentation ...
Always a good first step...
Chris> ... and came across atexit. I tried putting this into my code and
Chris> it never seems to actually process the atexit.register()
Chris> function thus leaving me stranded. My question is
Chris> The environment in which I am working is client/server and it is
Chris> the server that processes all python code. I have tried creating
Chris> a file (which in the case of what I have explained means that I
Chris> can't issue a close command) and let the process run as I ha
Xah> I don't know what kind of system is used to generate the Python
Xah> docs, but it is quite unpleasant to work with manually, as there
Xah> are egregious errors and inconsistencies.
The main Python documentation is written in LaTeX. I believe most, if not
all, HTML is generated b
Svennglenn> Traceback (most recent call last):
Svennglenn> File "D:\Documents and
Svennglenn>
Settings\Daniel\Desktop\Programmering\aaotest\aaotest2\aaotest2.pyw",
Svennglenn> line 5, in ?
Svennglenn> titel = unicode(titel)
Svennglenn> UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' cod
Peter> And which, at least implicitly, defines "greedy" by in section
Peter> 6.3 titled "Greedy versus Non-Greedy". It's not perfect, but
Peter> then nobody in this thread has offered anything even remotely
Peter> resembling perfect documentation for regular expressions
Peter>
I understand why the repr() of float("95.895") is "95.8949996".
What I don't understand is why if I multiply the best approximation to
95.895 that the machine has by 1 I magically seem to get the lost
precision back. To wit:
% python
Python 2.3.4 (#12, Jul 2 2004, 09:48:10)
>> Why isn't the last result "958949.996"? IOW, how'd I get
>> back the lost bits?
Dan> You were just lucky.
Thanks for the response (and to Tim as well).
Dan> The floating-point representation of 95.895 is exactly
Dan> 6748010722917089 * 2**-46.
I seem to recall se
Michael> I was wanting to write a program that lets two machines
Michael> communicate (without user intervention) using XML-RPC over a
Michael> Jabber network. Does anyone know of an existing library suited
Michael> to that task?
Googling for "Jabber XML-RPC Python" yielded this a
>> You mean that csv.reader can't work with unicode as the delimiter
>> parameter?
Richie> Exactly
Richie> "Note: This version of the csv module doesn't support Unicode
Richie> input
Richie> That note is still there in the current development docs, so it
Rich
Jan> After that i call sleep(5) until I can acuire the next tuple.
Jan> But during that I can't use the zoom/pan, save etc in the window.
...
Jan> Is there any better way to do this easily?
Set a timeout. How to do that depends on what gui tools you are using.
I've never used p
Fredrik> does the CSV format even support Unicode-encoded data streams?
Based on the requests I've seen here and on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list,
it appears people are certainly generating CSV files which contain
Unicode-encoded data.
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>> Based on the requests I've seen here and on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing
>> list, it appears people are certainly generating CSV files which
>> contain Unicode- encoded data.
Fredrik> in what encodings?
I've seen hints about iso-8859-1/iso-8859-15 and mention that Excel 2000
Christopher> The intricacies of the computing term "greedy" aside, yes I
Christopher> think the Python documentation should generally be better.
Christopher> What that means, I have no idea. All I know is that I like
Christopher> PHP's documentation and it should be like that.
It
Jue> Maybe a mailing list or forum people can contribute example and
Jue> notes?
Contributions can be made at the SourceForge patch tracker:
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=5470&atid=305470
Plain text is fine.
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Christopher> Exactly!! See thats what I'm saying. I _think_ its widely
Christopher> accepted that PHP has awesome documentation. And like rbt
Christopher> said, that makes it extremely useful. Why can't Python
Christopher> have documentation like that?
It's just a simple matte
Ivan> I can never remember ...where to find string methods
dir('')
Bruno> ['__add__', '__class__', ...
Also:
>>> help(str)
Help on class str in module __builtin__:
class str(basestring)
| str(object) -> string
|
| Return a nice string representati
Steve> [AMK's] wiki side-by-side with the Python docs:
Steve> http://pydoc.amk.ca/frame.html
There's also wikalong, though that's firefox-specific.
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Paul> Some parts of the lib doc are better than others. The only way to
Paul> understand SocketServer, for example, is to read the long comment
Paul> at the beginning of the source file. I've been wanting to get
Paul> around to merging that with the doc writeup and adding some
Ivan> I get that. My question, cleverly concealed in a rant, was, "Why
Ivan> does clicking on the Documentation link at python.org NOT take me
Ivan> to docs.python.org?"
I almost changed that link, but then reconsidered. Compare
http://docs.python.org/
with
http://www.pyt
>> - hacking SWIG. Shouldn't be too hard and will instantly give
>> us access to wx, qt, etc.
Mike> You can't assume that because some package is a C/C++ library
Mike> wrapped for Python that it uses SWIG. pyqt, for example, doesn't
Mike> use SWIG at all. It uses SIP, which i
Timothy> i DELETED the file from my webserver, uploaded the new
Timothy> one. when my app logs in it checks the file, if it's changed it
Timothy> downloads it. the impossible part, is that on my pc is
Timothy> downloading the OLD file i've deleted! if i download it via IE,
Timo
Marco> I've just compiled Python 2.4.1 on a linux box (RHEL 3AS) after
Marco> having installed Berkeley DB 4.3.27 from sleepycat Software.
Marco> During the configure/build process python correctly found the
Marco> BSBDB library.
...
Marco> File "/usr/local/lib/python2.
Mike> Given that Python hides the difference between user-defined
Mike> objects and built-in objects, it's not clear to me that anything
Mike> other than the current system, with all the classes/types in one
Mike> place, makes sense.
Maybe the Module Index should be renamed "Modul
bruno> I fail to see why would it would be better to have to open a
bruno> browser, go to python.org, go to the doc, find the right link etc
bruno> instead of just typing dir(xxx) and/or help(xxx).
Actually, you frequently don't even have to enter the Python interpreter.
Executing "py
Paul> It seems to me that the socket module itself should be rewritten
Paul> to use new style classes, so that socket.socket objects can extend
Paul> _socket.socket instead of wrapping them.
Paul> Am I missing something?
Probably not. The socket module could use some attention.
kyo> Can someone explain why the id() return the same value, and why
kyo> these values are changing?
Instance methods are created on-the-fly. In your example the memory
associated with the a.f bound method (not the same as the unbound method
A.f) is freed before you reference a.g. That
Bernd> Looks like another windows worm. Now they seem to come with a
Bernd> more sofisticated 'payload'. I am sure that will increase in the
Bernd> future. It is just the beginning ...
Indeed. This turns out to be the Sober.Q worm. Sober.P infected gazillions
of machines with its "
Ashton> How do i make an option passed through command line, using
Ashton> optparse global. I need to import this value in another file.
Place the parser's output at the module scope.
global options
parser = OptionParser()
parser.add_option("-p", "--port", dest="port", defaul
Ashton> This does not seem to work. I still get the default value
Ashton> 5007...
Hmmm... Works for me (Python from CVS):
% python testme.py
5007
% python testme.py -p 5006
5006
% python testme.py -p5006
5006
The only change from what you posted was to add
Dennis> So far as I understand, the
Dennis> global
Dennis> is not needed for your example.
I think the original context was that optparse was being used in the context
of a function.
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Brett> Don't forget that there's also the Tutor list (see
Brett> http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ), targeted to
Brett> people looking to learn the language...
I wonder if there's a way to gateway the tutor list to the
python-forum.org forum, probably to the beginner's for
John> Web forums do reach a different audience. Maybe python.org should
John> have a 'web forum' link to gmane.org's web interface for c.l.py?
Any idea if the gmane folks could be convinced to move
gmane.comp.python.general to gmane.comp.lang.python so it's with the rest of
the programmi
>> If you speak German, there is a forum at www.python-forum.de . There
>> is also an english one at http://python-forum.org/py/index.php, but
>> as you can see, there's not much traffic :-/
Jonas> There are few messages because they are not known. I believe that
Jonas> they
Steve> (is this the same as 'Conchobar'?)
No, that's a trendy pub in Key West...
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beliavsky> C++ is a higher level language than C,
>From the compiler's viewpoint C++ is not much higher level than C. It has
the same basic types, (structs, unions and C++ classes are really the same
thing data-wise, though C++ classes can be somewhat more complex
layout-wise) and supports
Ximo> And my question is how can show the execution error whitout exit
Ximo> of the program, showing it in the error output as
You need to catch ZeroDivisionError. Here's a trivial example:
>>> try:
... 6/0
... except ZeroDivisionError:
... print "whoops! divide by z
praba> Can any one guide me how to get python related jobs?
You mean a source of job postings? If so, try the Python Jobs Board:
http://www.python.org/Jobs.html
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Hugh> What I'm after is a way of moduleLoader.loadModule working back up
Hugh> the scope and placing the imported module in the main global
Hugh> scope. Any idea how to do this?
You want to write an import hook I think. I'd start with the docs for the
__import__ builtin. Also, Googl
Michael> is copy, paste, cut of selection possible in entry widget? Docs
Michael> say selection must be copied by default, in my programm it
Michael> doesn't work.
What platform? What GUI toolkit?
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in semicolon in quoted strings:
david>Content-Type: image/jpeg; filename="home:lib;images;face.jpg"
...
david> What am I missing?
Probably nothing. Can you maybe submit a patch?
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Simon> Of course, if you *don't* use 'self', you should expect an angly
Simon> mob with pitchforks and torches outside your castle.
I take it an "angly mob" is a large group of stick figures?
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I have code I run in both live and historical modes. When running in
historical mode the input stream is a set of stored event sequences that
have their own timestamps. When picking through the logfiles for a
particular run, I'd much prefer it if the timestamps in the logfile
generated with the
>> Before I get out my scalpel, has anyone found a non-invasive way to
>> do this (or already done the surgery and would be willing to share
>> it)?
Ames> While I'm not sure you would call the following 'non-invasive'
Ames> I've used it in a similar situation:
Ames> class
Ivan> I can't find any later version on google...
It may not help you much, but I was able to get it working on MacOSX by
grabbing the latest available source and tracking down the contents of the
data directory via the Wayback Machine. If you'd like to give it a try (I'm
not sure how you'd
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