vailable?
For Python 3.2+ or 2.7, why not just:
>>> print('Number = {:,}'.format(x))
Number = 12,345
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ercurial.
FTR, the whole python.org web domain is being redesigned so the details
of what is under the covers will be changing. Jesse Noller posted about
the redesign process some months ago:
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This behavior is explicitly defined in the Python Language Reference:
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There are several different archives:
? Google Groups archive of comp.lang.python
? python.org archive of python-list
? gmane.org archive of python-list
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In article ,
Roy Smith wrote:
> In article ,
> Ned Deily wrote:>
> > If you find a bug in Python, don't send it to comp.lang.python; file
> > a bug report in the issue tracker.
> I'm not sure I agree with that one, at least not fully. It's cert
ince then. If you need
Python 2, you really should consider moving to Python 2.7, which is
already at 2.7.3 and is fully maintained. (The most recent Python 3
release is 3.2.3, also fully maintained.)
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Mac SIG list:
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high load denials should be a thing of the past as the gmane NNTP
server was very recently upgraded to use SSDs instead of standard disks.
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build. What is
the value of sys.path?
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In article
,
Nicholas Cole wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Ned Deily wrote:
> > In article
> > ,
> > Nicholas Cole wrote:
> >> In all previous versions of python, I've been able to install packages
> >> into the path:
> >>
Python.framework/Versions/3.3/lib/python3.3/plat-dar
win',
'/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.3/lib/python3.3/lib-dynl
oad',
'/Users/nad/Library/Python/3.3/lib/python/site-packages',
'/Users/nad/Library/Python/3.3/lib/python/site-packages/setuptools-0
s for Python 3.4 and that
there will be a push to rationalize things in this rather murky area of
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e the same. The difference is with 3.1
(which is no longer supported); likewise, the same change occurred in
2.7. So all of the current actively supported released behave the same
way. That's not much help if you need to use 2.6 or 3.1.
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gt; problem, as well as reduce server load (since it's actually taking
> the time to make the file larger)
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pydotorg-www
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opening a new terminal window and typing python2.7. In any case, as
suggested:
which python
should tell you the path to the python you are invoking. It doesn't
appear to be an Apple-supplied one or a python.org one, BTW.
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ensure
that the macports bin directory comes first on your shell search path;
by default, it is /opt/local/bin. Try something like this:
export PATH=/opt/local/bin:$PATH
Otherwise, use an alias or an absolute path:
/opt/local/bin/python
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> Traceback (most recent call last):
> File "", line 1, in
> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'urandom'
Looks like you are using a broken Python installation.
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lt to link
with the former and, with 8.4, the Open file dialog box does have the
file-type filter menu as Hans describes. The python.org 64-/32-bit
installers link with the newer Cocoa Tk 8.5 and, with it, the Open file
dialog box does not have the filter menu. I'm not sure there is
anything that IDLE or Tkinter can do about that; any change may need to
be by the Tcl/Tk folks. But it would be good if you would open an issue
at bugs.python.org so we can follow up on it.
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expected but the Python community is *very* serious about mutual respect
and respecting diversity. If you want to be taken seriously here,
please keep that in mind.
http://www.python.org/community/diversity/
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I've tried flagging this up but obviously with no success. Anyone any ideas
> on how to sort this out?
There were problems on one of the gmane servers. The problem was fixed
as of about three hours ago and things should be returning to normal.
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It looks like you're running into the problems described in:
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are using a POSIX-compatible shell, the canonical approach for
use cases like this is to use a "here document", for example:
python - <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_document
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systems and probably on *BSD systems) and
they have different command strings. Note the warning here:
http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/readline.html
Or it may not be linked with either.
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In article , Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de>
wrote:
> Ned Deily wrote:
> > Keep in mind that the Python readline module may be linked to either the
> > GPL-licensed GNU readline or the BSD-licensed editline (libedit) library
> > (the default on newer OS X systems and pr
to build without using an SDK, which may work. Also, you may
need to define env variable CXX if you are building c++:
export CXX=/usr/bin/g++
or export CXX=/usr/bin/clang++
The plan is for the next maintenance release of Python 2.7 to work
better with current Xocde 4.x on 10.7 an
as long as you have Xcode installed.
>
> `sudo ports install py27-pip`
Yes, that should be another viable option as all of the components
should be built with the same version of the Xcode tool chain. Also,
some or all of the third-party packages may already be available as
MacP
ntain the complete source
history of all branches:
hg clone http://hg.python.org/cpython
More details here: http://docs.python.org/devguide/
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the latest ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.5.11 installed?
http://www.python.org/download/mac/tcltk/
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A followup to a thread in 2011-12.
In article ,
Ned Deily wrote:
> In article ,
> Franck Ditter wrote:
> > In article ,
> > Ned Deily wrote:
> > > In article ,
> > > Franck Ditter wrote:
> > > > All is in the subject. I'm starting
itted:
>
> http://core.tcl.tk/tk/info/9844fe10b9
... and released in ActiveState 8.5.11.1
http://www.activestate.com/activetcl/downloads
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They even provide versions of easy_install for the system Pythons.
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with focus. So, in IDLE, if you have an IDLE
Shell window, an IDLE edit window, and an IDLE debug window open, you
will see somewhat different menu options depending on which of those
windows you click on. If you click on the IDLE shell window, you'll see
a Shell menu option with a Restart Shell menu item that has a ^F6
accelerator. If you click on the edit window, that menu item is no
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ed downstream
by third-party distributors who do but I'm guessing they have their own,
more complex spec files that they maintain themselves. You might want
to open an issue on the bug tracker (bugs.python.org) or ask on the
python-dev mailing list.
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In article
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Chris Angelico wrote:
> Who is in charge of the list? Can pyjk...@azet.sk be unsubscribed manually?
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n 32-bit-mode. For
those Apple-supplied Pythons, see the Apple man page (man 1 python) for
system Python specific ways to force 32-bit mode persistently. Another
way that should work for any OS X universal Python 2.7.x:
arch -i386 python2.7
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they won't work with other OS X Python distributions like those from
python.org. The "arch" command should work with all of them, as long as
you use "python2.7"; it won't work with the Apple wrapper program
/usr/bin/python. And I believe the Apple modifications
st likely by adding your Tcl/Tk directories to the
INCLUDEDIR and LIBDIR variables; see the beginning of detect_modules()
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tallations. The supported method is to put
frequently-used preferences into one of several configuration files.
See
http://docs.python.org/install/index.html#inst-config-fileshttp://docs.py
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In article
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Makoto Kuwata wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ned Deily wrote:
> > In article
> > ,
> > Makoto Kuwata wrote:
> >> "setup.py install" command supports options such as --prefix,
> >> --install-scripts, and so on.
> &
ed. Some demos were
integrated into the documentation, some were moved to the Tools/demo
directory, and others were removed altogether."
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http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.1.4/
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frustrating if you try to guess at it or use binaries
from different suppliers. If possible, use a complete solution from a
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setuptools (or the Distribute clone of setuptools) when a script is
installed with easy_install. The main reason for the wrapper is to
allow multiple versions of a Python "package" (in the PyPi sense) to be
installed in one Python instance. There's more information here:
http://peak
vetoed by Guido.
http://bugs.python.org/issue1226256
http://wiki.python.org/moin/PathModule
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work just
fine with the Apple-supplied Tcl/Tk 8.4 or with ActiveState Tcl/Tk 8.4.
More info here:
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gt; x['huh'] = tmp # NameEror!
>
> That is, the right hand sides of assignments are evaluated before the
> left hand sides. That is (somehow?) not the case here.
http://docs.python.org/py3k/reference/simple_stmts.html#assignment-statem
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x27;s wrong. It's especially odd that you would see a
problem with IDLE.app since it is not influenced by shell initialization
steps. Do you have something set in ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist ?
Also, try launching that idle from a shell:
$ /usr/local/bin/idle2.6
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In article <20110624210835.gl6...@point.cs.wisc.edu>,
Tycho Andersen wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 01:24:24PM -0700, Ned Deily wrote:
> > In article <20110624200618.gk6...@point.cs.wisc.edu>,
> > Tycho Andersen wrote:
> > > Yes, I understand that,
ller do?
I don't know about Lion but the Apple-supplied Pythons in previous
versions of OS X (10.6 and 10.5) install site packages by default into
/Library/Python. If you use the Distutils defaults with the system
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you are seeing.
If you want to stick with the python.org Python 2.6, I suggest you
download the latest installer from here:
http://python.org/download/releases/2.6.6/
and re-install.
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In article ,
Ned Deily wrote:
> In article <4d640175$0$81482$e4fe5...@news.xs4all.nl>,
> Irmen de Jong wrote:
> > However, I'm having trouble compiling a framework build from source on
> > Mac OS 10.5.8 on PowerPC. No matter what I try (gcc 4.0, gcc 4.2,
> &g
In article ,
Ned Deily wrote:
> In article <8t5vunfca...@mid.individual.net>,
> Gregory Ewing wrote:
> > Attempting to compile Python 3.2 in 32-bit mode
> > on MacOSX 10.6.4 I get:
> >
> > Undefined symbols:
> >"___moddi3", referen
n continues and mainstream
OS's include specific Python 3 releases. But, for now, it's easy: just
target the most recent Python 3 release, currently 3.2.1. Don't worry
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layout on OS X, which is
used by both the python.org installers and, I believe, the ActiveState
installers.
http://www.python.org/download/
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current state is not ideal, especially for new users of Python. I'm
hoping we can make life a bit easier by the time 3.3 is released next
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e easiest thing is to only build 32-bit
only. But Python 3.1 is already in security-fix-only mode: best to move
on to Python 3.2 which does not have these issues. See also:
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ackup
system work efficiently. The hard directory links are, of course, not
meant to be used by the casual user. The section "Directory Hard Links"
in this blog entry from Amit Singh explains what restrictions are
enforced on directory hard links to prevent cycles:
http://osxbook.com/blog/2008/11/09/hfsdebug-40-and-new-hfs-features/
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that are used by the ./configure script. On my system:
$ autoconf --version
autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.68
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take a look at the archives there and jump into the discussions:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/catalog-sig
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f changes and additions. For
instance, as part of the transition earlier this year from Subversion to
Mercurial, great care was taken to preserve as much of the existing
source history as possible going far back into the time machine. It's
to your advantage to take advantage of these s
, 'b1', 'b2']
>
> Is there a handy and efficient function to do this, especially when li1 and
> li2 are long lists.
> I found zip() but it only gives [('a', '1'), ('b', '2')], not exactly what I
> am looking for.
>>
most of
the spam (a little bit gets through). The gmane nntp server (which is
for gmane groups only, not regular Usenet groups) is free to use.
http://gmane.org/about.php
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>
> Any suggestions?
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orking Python of some sort early in the build process. The problem is
the working Python is being affected by the MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET
value, which configure currently defaults to 10.4 in the absence of
other parameters.
I don't think there is a issue open on this; I will open one a
l/bin/python_select python27
$ sudo port install boost +python27
In fact, MacPorts has a port file for Exempi itself
(http://www.macports.org/ports.php?by=name&substr=exempi)
$ sudo port install exempi
Then, using the MacPorts python you installed, you should be able to
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Peter wrote:
> No responses? Nobody with knowledge of modifying styles etc?
You might also want to ask on the tkinter mailing list:
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o longer supported
by the Python developers. It probably won't build correctly on current
OS X 10.6 without some help. Python 2.7.1 and Python 3.2 are the
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File "", line 1
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e to find.
No, you have a more serious problem. From the paths displayed, I'm
guessing you used Fink to install those Pythons and packages. You may
want to ask on the Fink mailing lists or IRC channel.
http://www.finkproject.org/help/index.php?phpLang=en
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-rw-r--r--@ 1 nad staff 2425268 Apr 4 16:30 a.jpg
$ ls -l@ a.jpg
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original build failure.
> The 3.2 branch
> (http://svn.python.org/projects/python/branches/release32-maint) can be
> compiled without much issue.
That is out-of-date as well. All current development and maintenance
branches (2.7, 3.1, 3.2, default(=py3k)) are now maintained in the hg
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x.xx.xx'])
socket.gethostbyaddr() is pretty much just a transparent wrapper around
the platform's C library function of the same name. See if a simple C
program with a similar call to gethostbyaddr produces the same results.
The code in question for Python 2.7 is here:
http://hg.python.
e a crash report that would be great. But, first, are you
sure you were using IDLE 3.2 and not the Apple-supplied IDLE 2.6 in OS X
10.6? The latter will definitely exhibit that behavior. If you are
installed Python 3.2 from one of the python.org installers, IDLE 3.2
will be available in /App
Python Developer's Guide:
http://docs.python.org/devguide/devcycle.html#security-branches
> Who decides whether the security fix is critical?
Anyone can propose a security fix but the final decision is up to the
release manager in charge of the branch. For 2.6.x, that is Barry.
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ones that affect the
Python C ABI) to co-exist in one Python installation. "m" means that
they were built with pymalloc. Other flags are "d" for debug, and "u"
for wide-unicode.
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but sudo make install doesn't put it anywhere
> else. Pointing LD_LIBRARY_PATH to there causes my program to segfault
> with thread context errors.
>
> Am I asking this in the wrong forum? Would it be more appropriate in
> python-dev?
The discussion in http://bugs.python.org/
bility
interface of BSD editline (libedit) which Apple does ship but that
feature was not backported to Python 3.1. The python.org 3.1.x
installers are built with GNU readline (and there is one for 3.1.4rc1).
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ing system
releases and some tests may fail. If you are still using Python 3.3.x,
we **strongly** encourage you to upgrade now to a more recent, fully
supported version of Python 3. You can find Python 3.3.7 here:
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The next maintenance release of Python 3.6 is expected to follow in
about 3 months, around the end of 2017-12. More information about the
3.6 release schedule can be found here:
https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0494/
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a preview release and its use is not recommended for
production environments. The next preview, 3.7.0a3, is planned for
2017-11-27. You can find Python 3.7.0a2 and more information here:
https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-370a2/
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your organization would like to help the Python community in other ways,
consider supporting the Python Software Foundation:
https://www.python.org/psf-landing/.
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The next maintenance release of Python 3.6 is expected to follow in
about 3 months, around the end of 2018-03. More information about the
3.6 release schedule can be found here:
https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0494/
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preview release and its use is not recommended for
production environments. The next preview release, 3.7.0b1, is planned
for 2018-01-29. You can find Python 3.7.0a4 and more information here:
https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-370a4/
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