ock.release()
If you can't change download_from_web, you might have no choice but to
download sequentially.
OTOH, if each thread uses a different ZIP file (and a different ZipFile
object), you wouldn't have to use a lock. It doesn't sound like you're
doing that, though.
It shouldn't be a problem if one thread is zipping at the same time
another is downloading, unless there's some common data between them
for some reason.
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Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
> > Then change the zipping part of download_from_web to acquire and
> > release this lock; do zipfile operations only between them.
> >
> > ziplock.acquire()
> > try:
> > do_all_zipfile_stuff_here()
> >
ce. Though they probably wouldn't
have seen it anyways, considering the poor programming skills of most
engineers (the classical definition, not computer engineers).
The very fact the code formatters exist should tell you that grouping
by indentation is superior.
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ave such a
function then you have bigger problems than minor defects in
readability. :)
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ent correctly. So although I personnaly like
> Python, I still don't think meaningful indentation is good.
Even if this were legal code (it isn't), it's still more transparent
than some of the C code I've seen.
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I've written an HTML generator--who hasn't--that
uses eval and exec to expand in-line Python code. Perfectly ok as long
as you don't let untrusted users run the program.)
2. When you construct Python code within your program using no
untrusted data
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7;[1,2,3,4]')
>
> This is just asking for trouble.
>
> my_list = eval('import shutil; shutil.rmtree('/')')
Fortunately, that won't work because eval expects an expression.
Unfortunately, this will:
my_list = eval('__import__("shutil").rmtree("/")')
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Michiel Sikma wrote:
> Op 9-aug-2006, om 16:48 heeft Carl Banks het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Even if this were legal code (it isn't), it's still more transparent
> > than some of the C code I've seen.
> >
> > Carl Banks
>
> Still kind of too
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
> > Although Python doesn't do this, it is possible to mandate a specific
> > indent (4 spaces, say), or at least a reasonable consistent indent
>
> I like running reindent.py (found in your Python source directory under
>
eing one)
Oddly, I never used to use K & R until I was a longtime Python
programmer. Then I wanted to get those redundant braces as far out of
the way as reasonable; hence K & R. Maybe someday I'll take up a
LISP-like style and put the closing brace on the last line of the
blo
setattr(Foo, i, lambda self: self.generalized(i))
>
> foo = Foo()
> foo.a()
> foo.b()
> foo.c()
>
> but this prints "my ctx is c" three times; I'd hoped for a, b, c, of
> course.
def build(j):
setattr(Foo, j, lambda self: self.generalized(
t;
> Yes, it's three lines. It's also very easy to read. reduce() and
> sum() are not.
sum() is really for numerical uses; people ought to just stick to using
it that way.
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or the unwary".
I'm not so sure special casing was a good idea myself, but...
If you allow for a small number of special cases in the language to
protect against the most harmful and prone traps, this case would be
one of the top ones, IMHO.
Carl Banks
and, you know, if you really want
rs, generate branch) with a
single class. How close am I?
You're doing this recursively, so there's really no way to get rid of
the stack entirely. I don't know much about your code, but I quite
doubt that it would put much strain your memory at all.
We can, perhaps, help you organize your code better, though. But I
think you'll need to make another pass at describing your problem.
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y assigned. Or, work out a way to make
sure you don't exhaust too many homerooms. Perhaps there is a known
algorithm for doing this.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Apologies in advance for the pretty basic question - but I can't seem
> to find an answer anywhere else.
>
> I am developing a fluid sim in C++ and have heard that many people use
> Python in conjunction with C++ for this sort of thing (especially in
> games de
Lee Harr wrote:
> I understand how to create a property like this:
>
> class RC(object):
> def _set_pwm(self, v):
> self._pwm01 = v % 256
> def _get_pwm(self):
> return self._pwm01
> pwm01 = property(_get_pwm, _set_pwm)
>
>
> But what if I have a whole bunch of these pw
ing other than touch the class dict upon creation);
whereas if you use Michele Simionato's hack, the icky feeling of using
a stack frame object goes away after the property is created: you are
left with a clean untainted class.
Personally, the former doesn't make me feel icky at all.
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George Sakkis wrote:
> There's a subtle common bug here: all _get and _set closures will refer
> to the last property only. You have to remember to write "def
> _set(self,v,prop=prop)" and similarly for _get to do the right thing.
Sorry. My mistake.
> By the way, I can't think of a case where t
Michele Simionato wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
> > Devil's Advocate: he did say "hidden magic TO YOUR CLASS".
> >
> > If you use a (real) metaclass, then you have the icky feeling of a
> > class permanently tainted by the unclean metaclass (even though
Michele Simionato wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
> > Come on, I don't think anyone's under the impression we're being
> > indiscriminate here.
>
> Ok, but I don't think that in the case at hand we should recommend a
> metaclass
> solution.
You sound
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The extended slice notation comes from the
> numeric community though where they are probably all former FORTRAN
> programmers. I think the concept of start, stop, step (or stride?) is
> pretty common there.
Yep. I do a bit of numerical work and the meaning of abc[::-
Demel, Jeff wrote:
> I've been programming professionally for over 10 years, and have never
> once needed to reverse a string. Maybe it's a lack of imagination on my
> part, but I can't think of a single instance this might be necessary.
Say you're using a function from a third-party library tha
Istvan Albert wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
>
> > Say you're using a function from a third-party library that finds the
> > first character in a string that meets some requirement. You need to
> > find the last such character.
>
> You seem to imply that invokin
; erroneously (for me) gets:
> {'a': 0, 'c': 2, 'd': 3}
Filter first, Sort second, Enumerate third, Build Dict last:
c = dict((k,v) for (v,k) in enumerate(sorted(j for j in a if j in b)))
The inner generator you could do with sets also.
c = dict((k,v) for (v,k) in enumerate(sorted(set(a)&set(b
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; In Python {'a':0, 'c':1, 'd':2} == {'a': 0, 'c': 2, 'd': 3}
Careful there, chief. The Python interpreter disagrees:
>>> {'a':0, 'c':1, 'd':2} == {'a': 0, 'c': 2, 'd': 3}
False
I inferred that by "re-sequencing", the OP meant the keys in the new
dict were to be associated with a new range of integer values (probably
specifically the key's index in a sorted list of keys). It was an
unfortunate choice of words, as sequencing has a pretty specific
meaning in Python.
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t; > The 3 gets converted to float, like when you say
> >
> > x = 3.1 + 3
> >
> > the result is 6.1.
>
> Yes - it just seems that there isn't a principled reason for implicitly
> converting 3 to 3.0 in 3.0 == 3 but not implicitly converting "cat" to
> bo
nor
iterators consider "empty" to be "false", the idea that "empty" is
"false" is very far from self-evident; therefore lists, tuples, dicts,
and sets should also raise exceptions when used as a boolean. I won't
mention that, though.)
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Ben Finney wrote:
> "Carl Banks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > An iterator is not a sequence, and it's impossible to determine
> > whether an iterator is "empty" in general, except by trying to get
> > an item from it. [...]
> >
&g
lease) (Debian 4.1.1-11)] on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> len(iter(()))
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
TypeError: object of type 'tupleiterator' has no len()
>>> bool(iter(()))
True
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inary trees do have length: it's the number of nodes, just as the
number of keys is the length of a dict. I can't think of any objects
that use indexing but don't have a length, except for
poorly-implemented proxy objects. It's possible to define such types,
but would that be a Pythonic use of indexing?
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Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:25:09 -0700, Carl Banks wrote:
>
> > Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> But in this specific instance, I don't see any advantage to explicitly
> >> testing the length of a list. Antoon might think that is su
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> Carl Banks:
> > Overall, your objections don't really apply, since you're arguing what
> > ought to be whereas my argument is pragmatic. Practically speaking, in
> > realistic situations, "if len(a)>0" will work for
r some abstact notion of unity of
style more important than practical considerations of how your data is
used.
In that case you might as well just go with what the authority tells
you to.
(And hope that your users don't do much numerical stuff.)
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the SQL server events the same as it does with your
clients. Being that SQL is so common, I bet someone's already written
higher-level protocol handlers.
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bout
is vintage 1998. (One of my design goals was freedom to be sloppy with
closing tags. HRL keeps track of and automatically closes tags when
appropriate, but it doesn't know about tags like embed.) And it's not
any sort of enterprise-quality content management. It's just a
templating engine with power.
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e)
for obj in func.func_code.co_consts:
if isinstance(obj,codetype):
if obj.co_name == name:
return new.function(obj,func.func_globals)
raise ValueError("function with name %s not found in %r"
% (name,func))
Not exactly something I'd recommend for ordinary usage, but it can be
done.
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s, I don't think the database
modules (dbm, gdbm, bsddb) use Python open, so might want to hook into
those as well. You have be careful with extension modules; they often
open files their own way.
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_1.7
Maybe in exchange, Python can borrow the let statement.
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on linux2
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> def foo(x):
... return x+1
...
>>> import timeit
>>> timeit.Timer("foo(1)","from __main__ import foo")
1.1497418880462646
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al constructor is called __new__, but you shouldn't
use __new__ like C++ and Java constructors. Usually there's no reason
to use __new__ at all. (The main use case is to return something other
than a newly created object, such as a preallocated or cached object.
For your normally functi
that we still have a OneLeg class, because there's still
behavior exclusive to one-legged creatures. It belongs in OneLeg, not
in AtLeastOneLeg.
Hope this long-winded advice helps.
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r
>
> yield *iterable
Since this is nothing but an alternate way to spell a very specific
(and not-too-common) for loop, I expect this has zero chance of
success.
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e...
3. While not breaking backwards compatibility in the strictest sense,
the adverse effect on incorrect code shouldn't be brushed aside. It
would be a bad thing if this incorrect code:
a = ["hello"]
b = "world"
a+b
suddenly started failing silently instead of raising an exception.
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George Sakkis wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
> > George Sakkis wrote:
> > > If by 'respond to "+"' is implied that you can get a "TypeError:
> > > iterable argument required", as you get now for attempting "x in y" for
> > >
__dict__ to catch any post-release
accesses, which could cause subtle failures otherwise.)
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ndancy? The language is designed for
> communication between people (programmers) primarily. Redundancy is
> often the best way to be explicit and readable.
Well, Python *is* quite a notorious redundancy minimizer
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r's whole time, whereas a single Python (or
Ruby, or Perl, or even Java) programmer could manage several web sites.
(If by "probable" I mean "wishful thinking", that is :)
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Rocco wrote:
> hi
> I made the upgrade to python 2.4.3 from 2.4.2.
> I want to take from google news some atom feeds with a funtion like
> this
> import urllib2
> def takefeed(url):
> request=urllib2.Request(url)
> request.add_header('User-Agent', 'Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5;
>
K.S.Sreeram wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've started working on a new open source graphics library called
> DaVinci. DaVinci aims to provide a declarative vector graphics based
> framework for building GUIs.
>
> http://tachyon.in/davinci/
I hope it'll get St. John'
parts.
> One further point: if you really do conceptualize scalars as
> zero-dimensional arrays, where is the value conceptually stored?
Think of it this way: an array with n-dimensions of length 3 would have
3**n total entries. How many entries would a 0-dimensional array have?
3**0 == 1.
Numeric has had zero-dimensional arrays for a long time, and has had no
problem storing them. Think of the rule for accessing an element of an
array: it's a base pointer + sum (indices*stride) for all indices. Now
generalize it down to zero: there are no indices, so the scalar is
stored at the base pointer.
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Steve Holden wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
> > Steve Holden wrote:
> >
> >>Hey, I have an idea, why don't we look at the language reference manual
> >>instead of imagining how we think it might work!
> >
> >
> > I don'
With a 1-tuple.
How would you index a 0-D array? ...
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orgetting a step or something?
>
> Python 2.3.4 running on CentOS 4.3
Are file1 and file2 on the same filesystem? Looks like os.link just
calls the OS's link system call, which, for your system, might copy the
file.
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array data, so it'll be freed.
This might not be your problem. Details are important when asking
questions, and so far you've only given us enough to speculate with.
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ubclass directly from the metaclass's constructor. You
could, of course, also use the closure method I demonstrated above in
Thing's __new__ method--essentially you'd be using Thing's __new__
method as the factory function.
> The above sample won't work but I hope
class; therefore there it doesn't matter whether a
member is a class member or an instance member.
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is like learning
to do stand-up comedy by laughing at your own jokes.
For someone looking for looking to learn preferrably only one language,
I'd say Python, without knowing more about your intended problem
domain.
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ython? (or perhaps replacing the current one with
> a new one)
Doubt it.
> * Has anyone else tried modelling the unix system exec function in
> python? If so what did you find?
>
> * Since I can't find anything in the archives, I'm presuming my
> searching abilities are bust today - can anyone suggest any better
> search terms or threads to look at?
Maybe look to see how tail-recursive optimization in languages such as
Scheme work, and whether it can be generalized.
> * Am I mad? :)
Yep. :)
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returns an array with the elements of sat_id, but only where the
corresponding element of msvga==z; otherwise the entry is zero.
Numeric.ravel flattens an multidimensional array into one dimension,
and, of course, Numeric.sum adds up all the elements in the array.
How to get count and to work this
Sheldon wrote:
>Carl Banks wrote:
>> I'm not sufficiently sure this isn't a homework problem, so here's a
>> partial answer.
[snip]
>
> My days as a student is over for the most part. I am learning python on
> my own and Numeric is not properly documented
works much better !
Probably you had a case where the array length was zero, but it
wouldn't happen in the present case unless your input arrays are zero
by zero.
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statement.
> >
> > Only if you were to replace the whole stack. If you only replace or
> > reuse the top frame, I would think greet would exit and execution would
> > resume right after the point from which set_name was called. Or am I
> > misunderstanding what you want?
>
> I think you are.
[snip]
I'm sorry; I didn't notice the use of cexe also on the call to
set_name. So now it makes sense.
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alimoe wrote:
> I am interested in coding an app which uses physics and 3d and neural
> nets and genetics. Any pointers?
PyODE for the physics part.
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s an A, then use an attribute. But that's only a
rule of thumb.
I personally find another question helpful. If it's reasonable that B
could have more than one of A, regardless if it actually does, use an
attribute. If it's unreasonable, subclass. Again, rule of thumb.
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David Ells wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
> > The classical advice in choosing whether to subclass or or use
> > attribute is whether its more an an "is a" or "has a" relationship. If
> > it's more natural to say B is an A, then subclass. If it
unexpected wrote:
> Currently, I've implemented a bunch of
> if..elsif statements to do this, but it's gotten to be over 30 right
> now and has gotten rather tedious. Is there a more efficient way to do
> this?
Use something other than Perl.
:)
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so using __slots__ probably did save quite a bit
of byteage, but that consideration had nothing to do with my decision
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omething like this:
def foo(thing):
if thing:
return thing+1
else:
return -1
assert False
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Ben Finney wrote:
> "Carl Banks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > However, I have rare cases where I do choose to use the else
> > (ususally in the midst of a complicated piece of logic, where it's
> > be more distracting than concise). In that case
Steve Holden wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
> [...]
> > However, I have rare cases where I do choose to use the else (ususally
> > in the midst of a complicated piece of logic, where it's be more
> > distracting than concise). In that case, I'd do somethin
s)" % subexpr)
return expr
Then you can eval the expanded expression:
eval(expand_sym("y"))
However, this is just a big potentially dangerous hack. It's probably
ok for a little calculator you intend only for personal use, but
anything more I highly recommend your script parses the expression and
does symbolic expansion itself, without relying on eval. That,
however, is quite hard.
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B.
Thus, when self is of type D, super(B,self) does not have and MRO of
(A,), but (C,A). Therefore, super(B,self).__init__() invokes
C.__init__.
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Maric Michaud wrote:
> Le lundi 04 septembre 2006 13:48, Carl Banks a écrit :
> > Essentially, it's objects that have MROs, not classes.
> Wrong, __mro__ is an attribute of types (subtypes of type) but like __class__
> it is not available in the instances.
> mro() is standa
the first and adds nothing. Whether
something is None is an identity test; identity tests should use is.
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quality test.
Playing Devil's advocate here: if you were to write "x!=None", then x's
__eq__ method is invoked, which might not account for the possibility
that the other operand is None.
However, if you write "None!=x", then None's __eq__ method is i
)
>
> does not.
They are more commonly used, and generally more useful, at the end of a
regexp:
m = re.search(r"foo(?=d)","food")
matches, but afterwards m.group(0)=="foo" (without the d). Meanwhile,
m = re.search(r"foo(?=d)","fool")
doesn't match at all.
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gs does, so it should be avoided.
sum is for adding numbers; please stick to using it that way.
FWIW, the original loop looked perfectly fine and readable and I'd
suggest going with that over these hacked-up listcomp solutions. Don't
use a listcomp just for the sake of using a listcomp.
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One problem with my decorator is it makes stack traces a little
bloated. (Also attribute errors are raised as KeyError, but that's
easily fixable.) Other than that, I've been running it for awhile
without any problems. I doubt your approach would have many problems,
either.
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mplish this.
Internally, the module behaves very much like a class instance.
Functions in the module act almost exactly like bound methods, and
module-level variables act like instance attributes. The difference
between writing a module and a singleton class thus becomes mostly a
matter of indentation.
In fact, when I made a major switch from using singleton classes to
modules, I was able to change it by dedenting once, and pasting a
@modmethod decoration above each method, with very few other changes.
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George Sakkis wrote:
> Carl Banks wrote:
> > I don't see any major problem with it. In fact, I think it's a very
> > good idea to do this, rather than use global statements, when using
> > module as a singleton class.
> >
> > I recently made the same
roblem with Kamilche's approach. The real
evil in my mind is using lots of global statements, and anything you
can do to stay away from that is a good thing.
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all elements in A that are
not a substring of any other element in A} is the generally optimal
solution.
I suspect you mistyped or omitted something--problem is underspecified
at best.
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d
Python code operating on the columns (and even then you should consider
whether the user would be better off using keys). In this case you're
pretty much stuck with workarounds.
You can automatically rename any keywords when mapping the column
names, and advise the user that colums with keyw
le;-).
Except Fortran doesn't have any reserved words either:
PROGRAM KWDS
REAL REAL,WRITE
WRITE=1.0
REAL=2.0
WRITE(*,*)WRITE,REAL
END
(Not sure whether it's true in Fortran 9x.)
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this too.
Seems like a regression to me. itertools was documented as taking a
sequence of integers, not necessarily positive integers. It worked on
Python 2.4.
Looking at the source (from 2.5 rc2), it looks like they accidentally
used PyInt_FromSize_t rather than PyInt_FromSSize_t in the count
iter
aving a
single return point).
The following should do exactly what you want.
def recursive_halve(value):
if value < 1:
print value
return value
value = value/2
print value
return recursive_halve(value)
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n't seen
too much new stuff in Perl. I could be biased.
Still don't know whether labeling something as written in Python is
intended to be a "badge of honor" or "advance warning".
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or release (what's it been, like 5 years?), which is almost
certainly undoing some of its FUD power. Therefore, it would be a good
idea for your company to invest in some alternatives to Perl sooner
than later.
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word):
action(command)
break
else:
do_general_action()
Moral of the story: there are two ways to do a linear search (or linear
sequence of tests): either an unrolled sequence of if...elif...elif
clauses, or a rolled up for loop with a break. Either way you do it,
you can
e idea that error ==
0 is not self-evident, and often not true.
If it helps, consider using string error codes, or defining some
constants to check against ("if error == NO_ERROR").
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if it hits a dead
end, it'll go back and try another path. In fact, greediness usually
doesn't affect *whether* a regexp matches; it only affects the
groupings. I'm suddenly curious if there are any cases at all where
greediness changes whether it finds a match.
> (pls copy me on responses)
Ah, too bad you won't see it then
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> > returns default.
> >
> How are these different from all and any in Python 2.5?
1. These functions apply a predicate to the items. It's simple enough
to do with any/all and a genexp, but by the same argument, it's simple
enough to do imap and ifilter with a plain genexp.
nary in any
> > future CPython version.
> > (Would be good.)
>
> Why would it be good?
>
> How many bugs have you found that were caused by this behaviour?
It's not bugs. A specialized dictionary could be better optimized if
you know it can only hold Python identifiers. Th
but it's Thanksgiving and I
> don't have enough room on the margin for the proof. I think classic
> classes are just fine.
Absolutely. We don't want newbies' feeble brains to explode.
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way. You
can't have the base class of all objects creating dicts for its
instances--you wouldn't want every int object to have it's own dict.
And you can't have Python class instances not have a dict by default.
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ferentiate it from the
monetary sense of the word free.
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t to profile.py (from the Python library). Importing from __main__
adversely affects tools such as PyChecker and PyLint.
The exception to this would be if abc.py is specifically designed as a
utility for interactive use; then it would be ok and useful.
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ol: clock_gettime'.
You're missing a library. From the clock_gettime man page:
NOTE
Most systems require the program be linked with the librt
library to
use these functions.
So you need to build the extention with librt. Try adding a 'libraries
= ['rt']
inology; it's a way to differentiate
one of two different senses of the word "free". "Specific criteria" is
some people's idea of what freedom is, but they're not the last word on
it.
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