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ist in the best possible way?
| I hope to have a wonderful time with Python here. I hope i am not wasting
| your time. Sorry for the inconvenience if i am.
Not at all.
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in particular OSX "env" does not have it.
A shell function can do the same though:
py20() {
( unset PYTHONSTARTUP
exec python2.0 ${1+"$@"}
)
}
I've said py20 instead of python2.0 primarily because bash is a
bit... picky about function names and reje
desktop icons, ready for instant opening.
I agree I rarely need the PEPs unless I want to look up something unusual.
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e alone in sometimes being frustrated chasing
a deeply nested runtime error that static type checking might have
found up front.
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tart -DSSL
[...]
| My script were all workign in the previous VPS enviroment, the script is
correct is just a few minor thing in the new VPS env that they need to be taken
care of thus prohibit my script to run..
Your previous VPS used "suexec" in the Apache. This one does not.
Cheers,
specific directory for these files and give
ONLY THAT write permission for "nobody". And then use a full pathname
to the directory in his CGI script - a relative path makes ill
founded assumptions about the current working directory of the
script.
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A gent
is.
Normal practice is to specify vhost specific log paths inside each
website's VirtualHost clause, thus splitting the log for each
website out into separate files.
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/core.html#virtualhost
Notice the ErrorLog directive inside the clause.
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md -a --no-foo
Would turn on "all" options then turn off "foo". Hard to do if you look for
"more important" options and then less important options.
I'm personally against out-of-order option handling; it confuses things for the
user.
If you (as the user) need
en JSON, but has already been passed through
json.loads() for you.
What does type(the_json) say? What does repr(the_json) say?
Print both.
I would guess it has already been parsed.
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| to distribute my app.
Isn't that a copyright symbol? I'd have a look at the "uncidoedata" module,
myself.
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This is all just examples of course.
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On 04Sep2013 12:38, Dave Angel wrote:
| 'file' isn't magic.
Chuckle...
| What heuristics it uses, I don't know, but it has
| hundreds of them.
... because the file of heuristics is /usr/share/file/magic :-)
See "man 5 magic".
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oices = [(10, "Apple"), (10+20, "Pear"), (10+20+15, "Banana")... ]
|
| generate random integer in the range of the sum of the weights, and accept
| the last tuple whose first element is less than the integer.
Search it with the bisect module, not linearly!
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what it is doing wrong
I would write a mean like this:
def mean(values):
return sum(values) / len(values)
There are circumstances where that is simplistic, but it is the classic
definition of the mean.
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try:
dt = datetime.strptime(humantime, "[%d/%b/%Y:%H:%M:%S")
except ValueError, e:
dt = None
if dt is None:
tzinfo = None
else:
tzinfo = tzinfo[:-1]
and proceeeds otherwise (we have a few different
Pykkar.__init__(self)
... any of your own init stuff ...
Likewise for your world_l class.
BTW, it is conventional to start class names with an upper case letters. Just
style, but it helps other people when reading your code.
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It looks like you've got
:-(
A friend forwarded me a link a few months ago; PHP apparently got
some subclassing support that basicly seemed to support "mixins";
it looked ghastly.
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ot get hidden by the (overly long IMO)
included material and readers can get on with looking at your stuff,
knowing that if necessary they can wade through the other stuff.
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Any profit should go to Arnie's `get the daemon carved on Mount Rushmore' fund.
" part eluded my eye. When *is* it
> appropriate? Apparently not during an equal test.
I must say that I read the footnote [2] as a directive to the
programmer. "If you need to do this, a good way is to compare
magnitudes is appropriate."
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My life is
ttp://pastebin.com/20CmHQ7Y
Speaking for myself, I would be include to recast this code:
@absolutize
def addition(a, b):
return a + b
into:
def _addition(a, b):
return a + b
addition = absolutize(_addition)
Then you can unit test both _addition() and addition().
And so f
On 10Oct2013 19:44, Ned Batchelder wrote:
> On 10/10/13 6:12 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> >Speaking for myself, I would be include to recast this code:
> >
> > @absolutize
> > def addition(a, b):
> > return a + b
> >
> >into:
> >
On 11Oct2013 02:55, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 09:12:38 +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > Speaking for myself, I would be include to recast this code:
> >
> > @absolutize
> > def addition(a, b):
> > return a + b
> &
On 11Oct2013 14:42, Ben Finney wrote:
> Cameron Simpson writes:
> > On 11Oct2013 02:55, Steven D'Aprano
> > wrote:
> > > def undecorate(f):
> > > """Return the undecorated inner function from function f."""
> > &g
On 11Oct2013 05:51, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:36:29 +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> > But is it reliable? Will it work on any decorated function?
>
> *Any* decorated function? No, of course not, since decorators can do
> anything they like: [...
like deque) are thread safe, so a lot of the coordination is pretty
easy.
And of course context managers make Locks and Semaphores very easy
and reliable to use:
L = Lock()
...
with L:
... do locked stuff ...
...
...
I'm sure you'll get longer and more nuance
rocessing
> module.
And, for contrast, I would not. Threads are my friends and Python
threads seem eminently suited to the above scenario.
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e. Or
behind a firewall that blocks ping but passes specific other traffic.
Or...
This seems like a rather vague question.
What has this to do with Python?
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eside the editor pane) and
vim with syntax highlighting. And a web browser open on a local
copy of the 2.x or 3.x HTML docs - I keep one of each on my desktop
for easy access.
I'm not an IDE person, so I can't speak to those (even IDLE).
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jects (and not querying the stored values via SQL - eg
WHERE), then: make a column of type BLOB, convert Python values to
bytes using pickle, store. And of course the reverse.
It is not a great use of an RDB, but it seems to adhere to what you ask.
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interpreter segfaults and crashes on the second command!
> I'll start a new thread to deal with that problem.
I think there was some discussion of this bug with Mavericks very
recently on the list. Possibly fixed in more recent builds.
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Gotta love this:
TypeError: decoding with 'utf-8' codec failed (TypeError: '_io.BufferedReader'
does not support the buffer interface)
Not to worry:-)
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The Design View editor of Visual InterDev 6.0 is currently incompatible
with Compatibili
On 08Mar2015 18:52, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 08/03/2015 18:20, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 08/03/2015 09:15, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Gotta love this:
TypeError: decoding with 'utf-8' codec failed (TypeError:
'_io.BufferedReader' does not support t
been a pure
pleasure to work with, little though I have done that so far.
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binary" mode and decoding each to a
string. So you know the consumed length from the binary half; that they're
different lengths after decoding to strings is then irrelevant.
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On 10Mar2015 22:38, Paulo da Silva wrote:
On 10-03-2015 04:14, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 10Mar2015 04:01, Paulo da Silva wrote:
But this is very tricky! I am on linux, but if I ran this program on
windows I needed to change it to "eat" also the '\r'.
If you're
latency) put a VERY noticable upfront cost to every HTTPS
connection versus HTTP. Once underway, they're essentially the same (per
connection).
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1. The network is reliable
2. Latency is zero
3.
ise people are going to
get quite confused.
Yes. Also, "pypi" should redirect to "pypi/" otherwise all the relative links
will be off-by-one. Not to mention normalising to a single URL for
caching/mapping etc.
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IE 5.0 introduces nothing but a bunch o
you
binary streams; I always need to put an encoder/decoder on them to use text.
Did that just the other day.
BTW, this is on some UNIX variant? Should not be very relevant...
Further questions:
What does self.proc.stdout.__class__ say? And for stdin?
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the result ends in a
dot, add a single zero.
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C'mon. Take the plunge. By the time you go through rehab the first time,
you'll be surrounded by the most interesting people, and if it takes years
off of your life, don't sweat it. They'll be the l
o python curses (with
the correct $TERM on the output side).
But I suspect it might be just as easy to implement your own top by parsing
stuff from /proc.
Your call...
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Apple LLVM 6.0 (clang-600.0.56)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> int('1.3')
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "", line 1, in
ValueError: invalid literal for int(
..]
Decided to do a sweep of a range of possible things they may have been
talking about, and fixed issue in under 15 minutes. [...]
Sadly becoming the norm. People will just whinge and complain but never
actually report issues in Open Source.
https://twitter.com/grahamdumpleton/status/569
on
multiple systems. But I definitely have code that works so much better in
python 3 that I will never backport it; the example I have in mind started as
python 2 and spent years in bytes/text indecision and confusion. Bite the
bullet and go py3, an a whole class of pervasive issue just g
se.
IMO Mercurial is better anyway, but SVN shot itself in the foot with the
install requirements.
I'm capable of following linear procedures. But I'm also capable of deciding
that procedures are unreasonably complex, especially when they have bugs.
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Wag
n varnames ])
return varstuple
and then "test1()" can look like this:
def test1(a, b, condition):
for i, j in zip(a,b):
c = i + j
if condition(vartuple(locals())):
print("Foo")
which makes it much easier to write test2 and so on later.
Does this help?
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On 26Mar2015 10:03, Peter Otten <__pete...@web.de> wrote:
Cameron Simpson wrote:
vars = locals()
varnames = list(vars.keys())
That leaves varnames in undefined order. Consider
varnames = sorted(vars)
Actually, not necessary.
I started with sorted, but it is irrelevant
with the "named" tuple values (which would normally not start with "_"), and it
is explicitly documented.
Thanks Peter!
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On 27Mar2015 21:02, Manuel Graune wrote:
Cameron Simpson writes:
This passes the local variables inside test1() to "condition" as a
single parameter. Now, I grant that vars['i'] is a miracle of
tediousness. So consider this elaboration:
from collections import namedtu
t than middle click. The mouse is not your friend.
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ly made ...
FileExistsError only came in in Python 3.3, for earlier Pythons catch OSError
and check the exception's .errno against errno.EEXIST.
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utput = sys.argv[1:]
Then you can call pty.openpty(), and then use the slave file descriptor with
subprocess.Popen to invoke command_generating_output. Thus the generating
command will be talking to you via a pty instead of a pipe.
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ites to the master descriptor those data appear for
read on the slave file descriptor. Conversely, when the shell writes to its
output (the slave file descriptor) it appears for read on the master descriptor
(for the xterm to read and display).
So the slave descriptor _is_ a perfectly ordinary
On 07Apr2015 20:38, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
The operating system arranges the commection of the shell to the terminal.
Your usual program has by default a stdin, stdout and stderr. These are
_all_ the same file handle, duplicated to each of
t the base to any arbitrary integer (within reason).
[...snip...]
In dc also (UNIX's reverse polish arbitrary precision "decimal calculator").
You can set the input and output representation bases, and proceed without
leading base indicators.
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Hofstadter&#x
)
I tend to write things like this as thought they could become python modules
for reuse. (Often they do; why write something twice?)
So the base of the script becomes like this:
if __name__ == '__main__':
EPD_2_Image(EPD_FILENAME, IMAGE_FILENAME)
In this way, when you invoke the .py
can inner ever not be a nested group of outer?
If he has to ask this question, one might presume that he is not the source of
the regexp. Ergo, he may not know the regexp structure ahead of time for
whatever reason. I could invent scenarios for that, but perhaps Mattias can
describe his situat
Consider this a proof that Python's current meanings for bare except and
"except ()" are sensible, using a proof by contradiction.
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ad a common root.
Hmm. Can I catch "object"? Sounds awful, but might work.
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On 12Apr2015 07:52, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 11Apr2015 21:21, Chris Angelico wrote:
But I agree, it would be very nice if Python 3 could have abolished
the truly confusing part of this, where "except:" catches everythin
On 12Apr2015 09:21, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Catching all exceptions isn't terribly common, _except_ in service routines
that wrap "unknown" operations. Classic example from my Asynchron class: [...]
try:
r
On 12Apr2015 16:33, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Finally, if we were to expunge support for "except:", one would also need a
cast iron guarrentee that no exception could possibly occur which was not a
subclass of BaseException. I'd expect that to mean that "raise" of a
non-
On 12Apr2015 14:18, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 09:08 am, Cameron Simpson wrote:
Also, IMO, a bare "except:" syntax is far more pleasing to the eye than
"except magic_exception_name_that+gets_everything:".
And that is exactly what makes bare excep
On 12Apr2015 17:00, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
[...]
That's what try/finally is for. You can do your cleanup without caring
exactly what was raised.
Hmm, yes.
[...]
However, my Asynchron class really is a little special. I use Asyn
o fetch these items in an array?
What you've got is ok. I would point out that as you're processing each line on
its own you should not need "re.MULTILINE" in your .compile() call.
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On 12Apr2015 17:55, Pippo wrote:
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 20:46:19 UTC-4, Cameron Simpson wrote:
It looks like it should, unless you have mangled your regular expression.
[...]
Also note that you can print the regexp's .pattern attribute:
print(constraint.pattern)
as a check that
On 12Apr2015 18:28, Pippo wrote:
On Sunday, 12 April 2015 21:21:48 UTC-4, Cameron Simpson wrote:
[...]
Pippo, please take a moment to trim the less relevant verbiage from the quoted
material; it makes replies easier to read because what is left can be taken to
be more "on point&quo
you used to obtain "python for 64 bit"?
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format is pretty
simple. This page:
https://developers.google.com/admin-sdk/groups-migration/v1/guides/manage-email-migrations#group_migration_media_upload
which is linked to from your link seems to show an example.
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Facts do not discourage the conspiracy-minded
On 18Apr2015 07:50, Skip Montanaro wrote:
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
However, before you get very excited see if people can get messages back out
of the archive. A major annoyance for me with GGroups versus mailman is that
if I join a group I cannot download the
ssing situations.
Let me know if you want further information or the code.
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On 22Apr2015 10:50, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
I have a context manager named "Pfx" which I use liberally in my code like
this:
from cs.logutils import Pfx, info
def load(filename):
with Pfx("loading %r", filen
d performance is simply amazing.
OFFSET and \n are small details.
The only comment I'd make at this point is to consider if you really need a
single string at the end. Keeping it as a list of lines may be more flexible.
(It will consume more memory.) If you're doing more stuff
g a new string which is a titlecased
version of "slug".
"slug.title().replace(...)" is an expression which _operates on_ that new
string, _not_ on "slug".
In particular, each .foo() need not return a string - it might return anything,
and the following .bah() will work on that anything.
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h exactly the exception one might
expect.
To get "generator didn't yield" you need to actually have a generator. Eg:
@contextlib.contextmanager
def foo():
if false:
yield
Untested, though.
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skills and/or lack of experience with it.
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uot;, line 19, in
tdetails = data['Message']
TypeError: string indices must be integers, not str
That will be because of this line:
tdetails = data['Message']
because "data" is just the string from your dict.
The JSON structure is valid as shown by http:
.
From the docs maybe I should be using a "with" statement.
Unlikely.
First, test your test by hand running:
to_datetime('2015-02-29', coerce=False)
_Does_ it raise ValueError?
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Q: How many user support people does it take to change a light bulb?
On 27May2015 17:13, Vincent Davis wrote:
On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
First, test your test by hand running:
to_datetime('2015-02-29', coerce=False)
_Does_ it raise ValueError?
Well that was not expected. Thanks
See? If you'd just believed
.
Karthik, please correct the code below. Currently I do not get your exception,
I get an exception from the JSON module parsing the "data" string.
Code below,
Cameron Simpson
import json
json_input = { "msgType": "0",
"tid": "1",
example this isn't a big deal because all the filenames are
benign etc, but as a general rule using subprocess and passing explicit command
line argument strings is safer.
All of which you know, I know. But good to get it said in the thread.
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d you the programmer to be unaware
of them).
Anyway, that is simple and effective and immediate.
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I would use a dict keyed on the path, whose values
were a set of files. A set is a preprovided data type in Python. Look it up and
use it.
There are other alternatives, but that would be a first attempt.
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ode into its own function will (1) get rid of the global
variables and (2) force you to consider exactly what you need to pass to
"proc", and that will help reveal various logic issues.
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On 03Jun2015 19:59, M2 wrote:
On Wednesday, June 3, 2015 at 7:38:22 PM UTC-5, Cameron Simpson wrote:
I would be passing only "line" to proc, not "f" at all.
Suggestion: move your main code into its own function. That will make all the
variables in it "local". Y
On 04Jun2015 07:09, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
Op Thursday 4 Jun 2015 04:54 CEST schreef Cameron Simpson:
On 02Jun2015 18:13, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
I am thinking about using ipython3 instead of bash. When I want to
find a file I can do the following:
!find ~ -iname '*python*.pdf'
bu
On 04Jun2015 10:20, M2 wrote:
Awesome Cameron.
It works the way I want it to work.
Glad to hear it. A few small remarks:
Thanks a lot guys.
Here is the new code:
[...]
from thread import start_new_thread
You're not using this any more. You may want to tidy this up.
def pro
x27;s objective, but I've certainly benefitted from writing
my own version of things that already exist. Obviously you can't do that for
everything, life is too short, but you can do it for things of interest and as
a binus you can end up with a feature not available with the standard tool.
C
On 04Jun2015 20:23, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 06/04/2015 05:04 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 04Jun2015 13:09, Michael Torrie wrote:
Why not use Python for what it's good for and say pipe the results of
find into your python script? Reinventing find poorly isn't going to
buy yo
xample piece of code showing the problem so
that others can run it. Please also post the error message; if it is a stack
trace, include the full stack trace.
Thanks,
Cameron Simpson
[The Press] had tried to contact usenet but that no one had been available
for comment. That's odd, I tho
g for I/O or the CPU
will also perturb things).
One the topic of multiple runs, have a look at the timeit module, psecificly
designed for testing code with multiple runs.
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prefix with the new line, and emit only the change.
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Cameron Simpson
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ng in c?
Well there is the comp.lang.c newsgroup. Not a mailing list, but similar.
BTW excuse my bad English.
Your English is better than my own poor second language.
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erminal.
Of course, reaching for the curses module is massive overkill in a sense, but
it is the only way to consult terminfo in the Python stdlib.
See "man terminfo" for details on what terminal capabilities the terminfo
database describes.
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But I have to s
can import "edir" or "edir_" as
dir as they see fit.
Besides, apart from the inspect module, which probably shouldn't, who uses
dir() programmatically?
Directly, perhaps rarely. But I use my O.__str__ method implicitly quite a lot,
and it has a similar purpose to your edir.
he queue for logging
and other handling. Obviously you might return something more sophisticated
that my simple tuple above, but I'm sure you get the idea.
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me-terminal or Konsole probably threw that
stuff out as they threw out all the other normal X11 config hooks, and
doubtless use their own arcane system. Enjoy.
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Cameron Simpson
The top three answers: Yes I *am* going to a fire!
Oh! We're using *kilometers*
e
and scroll up you will find example code doing that kind of thing in the
examples above.
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Cameron Simpson
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