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> On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:36:11 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
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> > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> >> On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:41:09 +, Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> >>
> >>
o!")
Why isn't this standardised? Because the process-call interface is
inconsistent between operating systems, and there's even less
consistency in the implementations of the programs that return these
values.
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> > Torsten Bronger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> >> [...] the width of a tab is nowhere defined. It really is a matter of
> >> t
So there's no sense in defining class D to inherit from both A *and*
B. To get a descendent of both those classes, inheriting from B is
sufficient. It should rather be::
class D(B): pass
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> variables in the general is useful to me.
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> > Trying to make bits uncopyable and unmodifiable is like trying to
> > make water not wet.
>
> Certainly not. I can put water into the fre
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Not "equivalent"; rather "comparable in usage".
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> On Jan 14, 6:28 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Release your package as free software on the Cheeseshop
> > http://cheeseshop.python.org/>. If the name you want is
> > already taken, pick one that will he
George Sakkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Jan 14, 5:39 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
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> > I think of NotImplemented as equivalent to None; it's useful as a
> > sentinel value to set an attribute to in (e.g.) an abstract class.
>
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> > Hrvoje Niksic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> __init__ *is* the closest equivalent to what other languages
> >> would call a constructor.
> >
> >
t becomes a candidate for garbage collection. And so on.
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> > The term "reference" is fine, since that's exactly how it works.
> > One gets at an object via some reference, be it a name or some
> > access into a container object. When an objec
main difference is in what namespace the module's
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> >> This is a little surprising. So "from mod import *" really copies
> >> all of the scalars into new variables in the local namespace.
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> > In Python, 'list' is a basic built-in type. Python has no 'array'
> > type [...]
> Did you forget the array module?
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> > This has a very bad code smell (...)
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> That is forcefulness.
> (sorry, couldn't resist)
I suspect that's a comment on my online nickname, "big
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> > I use chinese charactors as an example here.
> >
> > >>>s1='你好吗'
> > >>>repr(s1)
> > "'\\xc4\\xe3\\xba\\xc3\\xc2\\xf0'&
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> > > You can also put, in animal/__init__.py:
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gt; pass
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That leading dot is too easy to miss when looking over the code.
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File "", line 1, in ?
AttributeError: 'Foo' object has no attribute 'eggs'
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As for "write Python like a Python programmer", this:
Code Like a Pythonista: Idiomatic Python
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the start of
the document http://www.w3.org/TR/xml/#sec-prolog-dtd>. Many XML
parsers will (correctly) reject such a document.
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>
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> > Quite apart from a human thinking it's pretty or not pretty, it's *not
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> > And if you want to really blow your mind,
> >
> > print isinstance(type, object) # True
> > print isinstance(object, type) # True
>
> Not what I see here.
arbitrary user input; the input isn't executed, merely parsed (as
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['spam']], [['spam'], ['spam'], ['spam'], ['spam'], ['spam']], [['spam'],
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module 'string'; but that the code you have binds that name to some
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SyntaxError: invalid syntax
So, it's not that parens are "used for generator literals". It's that
parens can be used to make grouping explicit where the syntax would
otherwise be ambiguous.
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> > Generator literals do not require the parens at all. However, the
> > syntax of where the generator literal *appears* can make it
> > necessary to explicitly group the expression using parens.
>
> Have you taken a look at
George Sakkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
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> > principle-of-least-astonishment that the '(foo)' form doesn't give
> > a one-element tuple lite
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> >
> > Note that '()' is syntactically null. Parentheses don't declare a
> > tuple literal, commas do. Parentheses are for grouping within
> > expressions, not specifying type
the harm done by trying to
change it would be more than the harm done by leaving it in.
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