What does “grep” stand for? (was: Regular expressions)

.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.txt> -- \ “If you can't annoy somebody there is little point in writing.” | `\—Kingsley Amis | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Regular expressions

To think and not study is dangerous.) | _o__)—孔夫子 Confucius (551 BCE – 479 BCE) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Regular expressions

.com/> and a tutorial http://www.usna.edu/Users/cs/wcbrown/regexp/RegexpTutorial.html> or something longer. -- \“Fascism is capitalism plus murder.” —Upton Sinclair | `\ | _o__)

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

library author has no business forbidding that. -- \ “Software patents provide one more means of controlling access | `\ to information. They are the tool of choice for the internet | _o__) highwayman.” —Anthony Taylor | Ben Finney -- https://

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

Bartc writes: > On 07/11/2015 03:43, Ben Finney wrote: > > Bartc writes: > > > >> Is there no way then in Python to declare: > >> > >> pi = 3.141519 # etc > >> > >> and make it impossible to override? > > > >

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

cience: Ask an impertinent question, | `\and you're on the way to the pertinent answer.” —Jacob | _o__) Bronowski, _The Ascent of Man_, 1973 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

n. I recommend you ignore that request; “Bartc” is fine as a name here, IMO. -- \“Your [government] representative owes you, not his industry | `\ only, but his judgment; and he betrays, instead of serving you, | _o__)if he sacrifices it to your opinion.” —Edmund Burke, 1774 |

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

inappropriate for religion to play any role in issues of state | _o__)[of] a modern democracy.” —Lawrence M. Krauss, 2012-05-28 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

BartC writes: > On 08/11/2015 21:00, Ben Finney wrote: > > The namespace can change dynamically, which is another way of what > > people have been trying to tell you all through this thread. > > > > The compiler *cannot* know what the names will be at every single >

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

y.” —Eben Moglen, _Anarchism Triumphant_, 1999 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

sh the desire to make them. -- \ “If you define cowardice as running away at the first sign of | `\ danger, screaming and tripping and begging for mercy, then yes, | _o__) Mr. Brave man, I guess I'm a coward.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

Chris Angelico writes: > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Ben Finney > wrote: > > Chris Angelico writes: > > > >> Testing/mocking is a completely separate consideration (eg you can > >> inject a shadow for a built-in name) > > > > Not for the pu

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

r past innovations really should decline.” —Gary Barnett | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

blem” being addressed is essentially the dynamism of Python. The proposal is misguided. -- \ “Truth would quickly cease to become stranger than fiction, | `\ once we got as used to it.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__)

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

BartC writes: > On 09/11/2015 01:04, Ben Finney wrote: > > There isn't a way for the compiler to *know*, in all cases, whether > > module attributes will be updated during the lifetime of the program > > In what way can an attribute be updated, other than deleting it &

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

Laura Creighton writes: > In a message of Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:45:40 +1100, Ben Finney writes: > >So the remaining space of code that is safe for the proposed > >optimisation is trivially small. Why bother with such optimisations, if > >the only code that can benefit is *alre

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

Antoon Pardon writes: > Op 07-11-15 om 04:43 schreef Ben Finney: > > Python assumes the programmers using it are consenting adults. Doing > > harmful things is difficult but not forbidden. > > I find that to be contradictory. Why should you make something difficult > if y

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

#x27;re surely talking about not just the compiler any more. No? -- \ “Any sufficiently advanced bug is indistinguishable from a | `\ feature.” —Rich Kulawiec | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about math.pi is mutable

Laura Creighton writes: > In a message of Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:10:09 +1100, Ben Finney writes: > >I am a Bear of Little Brain, but: Isn't anything that the *compiler* > >does, by definition done at *compile* time? > > No. > > We used to have a pretty strict def

Re: Keeping context-manager object alive through function calls

5000") gen = do_stuff(bsu5000_conn) do_more_things_with(bsu5000_conn) -- \ “I don't know anything about music. In my line you don't have | `\ to.” —Elvis Aaron Presley (1935–1977) | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: new to python, help please !!

osh Billings | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Learning Python from the tutorial (was: What function is 'u0, j = random(), 0'?)

;t know what to add.” | `\—Steven Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What meaning is 'a[0:10:2]'?

tions that may never be answered. Religion | `\ is answers that may never be questioned.” —anonymous | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Mapping between python packages and distro packages?

ffered. -- \ “The Vatican is not a state.… a state must have territory. This | `\ is a palace with gardens, about as big as an average golf | _o__) course.” —Geoffrey Robertson, 2010-09-18 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: What is a function parameter =[] for?

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Re: What is a function parameter =[] for?

me object. So it will not be equal to its initial state, even though it is the same object. -- \ “[F]reedom of speech does not entail freedom to have your ideas | `\accepted by governments and incorporated into law and policy.” | _o__) —Russell Blac

Re: Mapping between python packages and distro packages?

_style#Interleaved_style>.) -- \ “Anyone who puts a small gloss on [a] fundamental technology, | `\ calls it proprietary, and then tries to keep others from | _o__) building on it, is a thief.” —Tim O'Reilly, 2000-01-25 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: tuples in conditional assignment

y assigning some sub-parts to temporary well-chosen descriptive names (not ‘t’). -- \ “It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to | `\persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” —Carl | _o__)Sagan | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Decorating one method of a class C with another method of class C?

hould be done this way? -- \“Visitors are expected to complain at the office between the | `\ hours of 9 and 11 a.m. daily.” —hotel, Athens | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Decorating one method of a class C with another method of class C?

man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.” | _o__) —John A. Hrastar | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: First time I looked at Python was(...)

o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Micro Python -- a lean and efficient implementation of Python 3

nk anyone is interested. -- \ “Too many pieces of music finish too long after the end.” —Igor | `\ Stravinskey | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to check if a value is a floating point or not

reduced. -- \ “It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to | `\persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” —Carl | _o__) Sagan | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python 3.44 float addition bug?

oes* save you from the rather-more-surprising behaviour of the ‘float’ type. This is not mythical. -- \ “Guaranteed to work throughout its useful life.” —packaging for | `\ clockwork toy, Hong Kong | _o__)

Re: What's the "right" way to abandon an open source package?

have been more specific.” —Jane Wagner, via Lily Tomlin | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Discussion problems of monoculture (was: What's the "right" way to abandon an open source package?)

importance of foodstuffs and human beings. Crazy people can't | _o__) tell the difference.” —Paul Z. Myers, 2010-04-18 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How do you use `help` when write your code

happy.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: PEP8 and 4 spaces

y as much as I thought I would. > In fact, I'm not sure I miss them at all. Hooray! Welcome to the light :-) -- \ “The best ad-libs are rehearsed.” —Graham Kennedy | `\ | _o__)

Programmer's text editor (was: Saving)

editor is an essential investment in programming. Good hunting! -- \ “We have clumsy, sputtering, inefficient brains…. It is a | `\ *struggle* to be rational and objective, and failures are not | _o__) evidence for an alternative reality.” —Paul Z. Myers, 2010-10-14 | Ben Finney

Re: PEP8 and 4 spaces

Dan Sommers writes: > On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 11:00:59 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > […] a poor design decision (a line beginning with U+0020 SPACE is > > semantically different from a line beginning with U+0009 CHARACTER > > TABULATION) can be irrevocable – the syn

Re: Naming conventions for functions and methods

verb, with its arguments as the objects acted upon. -- \ “Nothing worth saying is inoffensive to everyone. Nothing worth | `\saying will fail to make you enemies. And nothing worth saying | _o__)will not produce a confrontation.” —Johann Hari, 2011 | Ben Finney -- https://m

Re: PEP8 and 4 spaces

Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Tue, 08 Jul 2014 11:22:25 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > A group of (a particular amount of) U+0020 characters is visually > > indistinguishable from a U+0009 character, when the default semantics > > are applied to each. > > Hm

Re: NaN comparisons - Call For Anecdotes

`\ find it difficult to admit the impossibility.” —Bertrand | _o__) Russell, _Power: A New Social Analysis_, 1938 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Standard library Help

ween two points is under | `\ construction.” —Noelie Alito | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Newbie: unexpected indenting error

x27;s complete so you can expect others to be able to run it too. -- \ “If I haven't seen as far as others, it is because giants were | `\ standing on my shoulders.” —Hal Abelson | _o__) | Ben

Re: initializing "parameters" class in Python only once?

is not ignorance but the | `\ illusion of knowledge.” —Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, | _o__) 1914–2004 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Interleaved posting style for text discussion forums (was: Python 3 is killing Python)

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Re: Python 3 is killing Python

ve man, I guess I'm a coward.” —Jack Handey | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Two more newbie questions

more likely a specific recommendation can be made. -- \ “I knew things were changing when my Fraternity Brothers threw | `\ a guy out of the house for mocking me because I'm gay.” | _o__) —postsecret.com, 2010-01-19 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Two more newbie questions

Shieldfire writes: > On fre, 2014-07-18 at 18:23 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > So, if by “slap a GUI onto” you mean something that is a no-frills > > plain-HTML form, with essentially no assistance for the user and no > > error handling, this will be a lot simpler to impleme

Re: Node Neighbours

e propaganda.” —George W. Bush, 2005-05 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: OT: usenet reader software

ajor reason for continuing to discuss on Usenet. -- \ “Of all classes the rich are the most noticed and the least | `\ studied.” —John Kenneth Galbraith, _The Age of Uncertainty_, | _o__) 1977 | Ben Finney -- https://mail

A Pythonista Meets JavaScript™ (was: Network/multi-user program)

Lee, Disney corporation, | _o__) 2005 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about Pass-by-object-reference?

edly unworthy.” —Ambrose | _o__) Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_, 1906 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: A Pythonista Meets JavaScript™

Ben Finney writes: > Monte Milanuk writes: > > > I know literally almost nothing about JS. > > At the Melbourne Python Users's Group this year, I gave a presentation > http://vimeo.com/album/2855296/video/93691338> on my initial > learnings of JavaScript

Re: Is it possible to install Python on a network?

but dead letters.” | _o__) —Ernestine Rose | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Question about Pass-by-object-reference?

Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:59:45 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > fl writes: > >> On Tuesday, July 22, 2014 8:27:15 PM UTC-4, Terry Reedy wrote: > >> > Nothing is being 'passed'. > >> > >> Thanks, but I don't

Re: Is it possible to install Python on a network?

way that machine ‘foo’ knows to interact with machine ‘bar’? -- \ “The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But | `\ the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound | _o__) truth.” —Niels Bohr | Ben Finney -- ht

Re: Is it possible to install Python on a network?

Chris Angelico writes: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:35 PM, Ben Finney > wrote: > > What do you imaging a user doing, exactly, on machine ‘foo’ to make > > a program execute on machine ‘bar’? At what step – exactly how – > > does the communication between the mach

Re: one to many (passing variables)

too unwieldy. -- \ “Religious faith is the one species of human ignorance that | `\ will not admit of even the *possibility* of correction.” —Sam | _o__) Harris, _The End of Faith_, 2004 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Dict when defining not returning multi value key error

y and not assume anything :-) -- \ “Natural catastrophes are rare, but they come often enough. We | `\ need not force the hand of nature.” —Carl Sagan, _Cosmos_, 1980 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Correct type for a simple “bag of attributes” namespace object (was: 3 Suggestions to Make Python Easier For Children)

of Faith_, 2004 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: SQLAlchemy tutorial

g.” —Chris Torek | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: TypeError: 'bytes' object is not callable error while trying to converting to bytes.

serve the problem to which they | `\ are the solution.” —Clay Shirky, 2012 | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Making every no-arg method a property?

he USSR, you are welcome to | `\ it.” —hotel room, Moscow | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to delete letters automatically with imaplib?

_messages_to_delete = ( ids_of_all_messages - ids_of_messages_containing_address) -- \ “Too many pieces of music finish too long after the end.” —Igor | `\ Stravinskey | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to delete letters automatically with imaplib?

ner, via Lily Tomlin | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Test for an empty directory that could be very large if it is not empty?

, without regard to the | _o__) prevailing superstitions and taboos.” —Henry L. Mencken | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Test for an empty directory that could be very large if it is not empty?

e the OP doesn't know) the relevance of the “create a list of entries” part, so I asked. -- \ “Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. The first | `\ principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the | _o__) easiest person to fool.” —Rich

Re: Wikibooks example doesn't work

'm pondering?” “I think so, Brain, but | `\ wouldn't his movies be more suitable for children if he was | _o__) named Jean-Claude van Darn?” —_Pinky and The Brain_ | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to get mac address of bluetooth with python in win7?

hon+bluetooth+%22mac+address%22+windows>. -- \ “You could augment an earwig to the point where it understood | `\ nuclear physics, but it would still be a very stupid thing to | _o__) do!” —The Doctor, _The Two Doctors_ | Ben Finney -- https://mail.pyth

Re: The "right" way to use config files

is busy | `\ creating tornadoes or not existing.” —Homer, _The Simpsons_ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: why i can't copy mail with imaplib?

for assistance with IMAP and GMail. -- \“The restriction of knowledge to an elite group destroys the | `\ spirit of society and leads to its intellectual | _o__) impoverishment.” —Albert Einstein | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Captcha identify

then there is no good reason for what you're doing. Stop, please. -- \“The World is not dangerous because of those who do harm but | `\ because of those who look at it without doing anything.” | _o__) —Albert Einstein | Be

Re: how to change the time string into number?

| `\right to spend their life without being offended.” —Philip | _o__) Pullman, 2010-03-28 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what is the "/" mean in __init__(self, /, *args, **kwargs) ?

for that. -- \ “Religious faith is the one species of human ignorance that | `\ will not admit of even the *possibility* of correction.” —Sam | _o__) Harris, _The End of Faith_, 2004 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what is the "/" mean in __init__(self, /, *args, **kwargs) ?

4.9.1]' -- \“Stop — Drive sideways.” —detour sign, Kyushu, Japan | `\ | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to change the time string into number?

to have loft and lost than to never have loft at | `\ all.” —Groucho Marx | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: how to change the time string into number?

co. I found someone's heart.” —Steven | `\Wright | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Captcha identify

tion.” —Paul Z. Myers, 2009-09-12 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: problem on top-post

en | _o__) Wright | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: timedelta problem

do not give me the right answer. What do you think the right answer would be in each case? Why? -- \ “The aim of science is not to open the door to infinite wisdom, | `\but to set some limit on infinite error.” —Bertolt Brecht, | _o__)_Leben des Galilei_, 1938 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: problem on top-post

l be unbearable.” —hotel, Bucharest | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: timezone argument %z and %Z

for the internet | _o__) highwayman.” —Anthony Taylor | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

How to look up historical time zones by date and location (was: How can I get the timezone time of a location?)

)Shelley, _The Necessity of Atheism_, 1811 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: For using python ability, what should I do???

clockwork toy, Hong Kong | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to look up historical time zones by date and location

`\ is this: the sole test of the validity of any idea is | _o__) experiment.” —Richard P. Feynman | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Why Python 4.0 won't be like Python 3.0

clockwork toy, Hong Kong | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: 'is not' or '!='

ised I couldn't talk for a year | `\and a half.” —Gracie Allen | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: More Pythonic implementation

.” —Ambrose Bierce, | _o__) _The Devil's Dictionary_, 1906 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How to look up historical time zones by date and location

avoid whatever quirks go into the ‘repr’ output. -- \ “The difference between a moral man and a man of honor is that | `\ the latter regrets a discreditable act, even when it has worked | _o__) and he has not been caught.” —Henry L. Mencken | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: why i can't get the sourcecode with inspect module?

t;>> Exactly. The ‘inspect.getsource’ function gets the source code, if it's available. The source code doesn't exist any more, so it's not available; an OSError is raised. -- \ “You say I took the name in vain / I don't even know the name / | `\But if I did, well, really, what's it to you?” —Leonard Cohen, | _o__) _Hallelujah_ | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How can I get the timezone time of a location?

ideo origin” field to the right side of that page. -- \ “Truth would quickly cease to become stranger than fiction, | `\ once we got as used to it.” —Henry L. Mencken | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail

Re: what is the difference between name and _name?

“Are you pondering what I'm pondering?” “Umm, I think so, | `\Brain, but what if the chicken won't wear the nylons?” —_Pinky | _o__) and The Brain_ | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How can I get the timezone time of a location?

Ben Finney writes: > luofeiyu writes: > > > There is no video in the web when i open it in my firefox. > The page describing the video also has a link to the hosted site of > the video, see the “Video origin” field to the right side of that > page. The cited video cont

Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results

d by governments and incorporated into law and policy.” | _o__) —Russell Blackford, 2010-03-06 | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results

age with this community rather than seeing us as a market for your product — or don't engage at all. -- \ “To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you | `\must also be well-mannered.” —Voltaire | _o__)

Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results

one can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love | `\ not freedom, but license.” —John Milton | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results

, quite literally, what a very large part of our brain has | _o__) evolved to do.” —Douglas Adams | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: what do you get with 1 divide by 998001, interesting results

oon. -- \ “Here is a test to see if your mission on earth is finished. If | `\ you are alive, it isn't.” —Francis Bacon | _o__) | Ben Finney -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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