bartc writes:
> On 10/03/2018 20:06, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> On 10/03/2018 14:23, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>> Off topic: I knocked up this Haskell version as a proof-of-concept:
>>>>
>>>> import Data.List
>>>>
>>>> p
Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
> On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 3:24:05 AM UTC+13, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Unfortunately my Python is not up to using iterators well enough to
>> avoid a "maximum recursion depth exceeded" error.
>
> My solution only needed recursion up
Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
> On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 2:40:16 PM UTC+13, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> It would be nice to avoid relying on any value-based ordering.
>
> I don’t see why. The set of elements has to have the same cardinality
> as the set of natural numbers, after
Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:58:48 PM UTC+13, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Of course you can always generate n-tuples of N and then map these to
>> n-tuples of the intended sequence but that seems inelegant.
>
> This whole discussion seems to be
Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 2:18:24 PM UTC+13, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
>>
>> The original problem -- triples of natural numbers -- is
>> not particularly hard, but the general problem -- enumerating n-tuple
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Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
> On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 2:56:24 PM UTC+13, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro writes:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 2:18:24 PM UTC+13, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lawrence D’Oliveiro
ought the way you're thinking, but got
> stuck at that question and had to back-track my reasoning :-)
I was not hindered by the burden to make my explanation work for
everything, just for the one example presented. This allowed me to
quickly get back to feeding my goldfish.
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Ben Finney writes:
> Steven D'Aprano writes:
>
> > (1) […] If there is a NAN in your data, the result of calling
> > median() is implementation-defined.
>
> This is the least Pythonic; there is no good reason IMO for specifying a
> behaviour in the implementati
his::
expected = {"foo", "bar", "spam"}
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introduces "collections" as a global ...
> z = {
> "y": collections.defaultdict(list),
> }
> for (_, collections) in z.items():
... and this uses that global ...
> pass
>
> It works as expected (doesn't throw).
... except now collections is bound to a list (from the for) and no
longer refers to the module.
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Johannes Bauer writes:
> On 30.03.2018 13:13, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
>>> import collections
>>>
>>> class Test(object):
>>> def __init__(self):
>>> z = {
>>> "y": colle
return x+1 if f2(a) else y+1
('a' is there only to prevent some obvious optimisations.)
Are there any broken name references here? You might get an
UnboundLocalError, though that depends on what f1 and f2 return.
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t; Like a "fall-through" in a C-switch statement.
The except parts don't fall through, and each one needs a "suite".
Also, the "pass" before the return is mysterious which makes me think
there's an indent error in what you posted.
Anyway, to coalesce two or mor
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bably why it was kept. The PDP-11 has 8 registers
and uses 3 bits to specify the addressing mode and many instructions use
the top bit to indicate a variation such as word or byte operation. The
result is that you'd never choose to use hex to look at PDP-11 code.
That familiarity with octal mu
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name–object binding (the “variable”). The type is
a property of the object.
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To the extent I understand that question, the answer is no.
Rather, the ‘bytes’ and ‘str’ types are now entirely incompatible, and
implicit conversions are never done between them. Any conversions
between them must be explicit.
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the “a value is an
object” false equivalence needs un-learning, I can't let it pass.
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Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Wed, 16 May 2018 11:30:26 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
>
> > An object is not a value; an object *has* a value. The object
> > retains its identity even when its value changes.
>
> Here you have hit on the crux of the matter. Why cannot bo
he finger of accusation at either Brian or Dennis.
The terms are much older than that. The first BCPL (1967) reference
manual uses the terms, and I don't think Martin Richards invented them.
(And C++ has added glvalue and prvalue to lvalue and rvalue.)
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he slightly sarcastic question was supposed remind people that
lines left to right, lines are stacked, almost always from top to
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l answer, other than to stop thinking that's a
race that you can win.
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ugh. So
this is another way to get that result:
foo = [ [] for __ in range(5) ]
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valuated the list expression n times to make the new list you would
also get the behaviour you want.
You would also be able to use it in situations like this:
import random
[random.randint(1,10)]**6
to get (for example) [2, 4, 7, 1, 1, 8].
Of course, this is just what the [L for _ in range(n)]
cise enough to write tests for,
and therefore to write in code.
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Mike McClain writes:
> Steven D'Aprano and Ben Finney used these '_' and '__'.
> Steve said, "[[] for _ in range(5)]".
> Ben said, "[ [] for __ in range(5) ]".
>
> These aren't listed separately in the index
That's right,
the mailing list, but this came out to Usenet just
> fine.
Snap. The original and the reply.
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Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Wed, 30 May 2018 21:53:05 +0100, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
>> Rob Gaddi writes:
>>
>>> On 05/30/2018 09:34 AM, Paul Rubin wrote:
>>>> I think Usenet posts are no longer getting forwarded to the mailing
>>>> list,
x,1/0]
[1.0,2.0,4.0,Infinity,NaN,5.0,NaN]
> Not sure what to make of this but at least sorting seems to give a
> predictable result.
I suspect it is predictable if you know the algorithm, but I doubt it's
specified nor easily guessable from "outside".
(GHCi, version 8.0.2 here)
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he Copyright notice is probably intended for human eyes. IIRC his
posts don't show up on Google groups, for example, so there *is* a
mechanism by which *some* of the headers (it may be X-no-archive) do get
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Dennis Lee Bieber writes:
> On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 05:39:08 +1000, Ben Finney
> declaimed the following:
>
> >Don't choose the daily digest, because it makes a special “digest”
> >message for you each day. That message is disconnected from any other
> >message, and
ure a
properly secure WSGI server).
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Cameron Simpson writes:
> ... In Python 3 we have "format strings", which let you write:
>
> name = "Sharon"
> age = 35
> print(f"The person named {name|r} is {age} years old.")
You meant {name!r} I think there.
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sense in different use cases.
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Chris Angelico writes:
> On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 3:30 PM, Ben Finney
> wrote:
> > (or, if you want to continue with the older less-flexible style,
(I gave an unhelpful URL for that documentation. Try this instead
https://docs.python.org/3/library/stdtypes.html#printf-style-strin
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ome recent ones include “spunge”, “nardle”, “crun”,
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int main(void) { yylex(); }
and it's only this long because there are four kinds of string. Not
being a Python expert, there may be some corner case errors. And really
there are comments that should not be removed such as #! on line 1 and
encoding declarations, but they would just need another line or two.
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g that problem?
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x27; a proceed as if you had only one
representation?
The code page remark is curious. Will some "code pages" have digits
that are not ASCII digits?
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Ethan Furman writes:
> On 06/21/2018 01:20 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> You say in a followup that you don't need to worry about digit grouping
>> marks (like thousands separators) so I'm not sure what the problem is.
>> Can't you just replace ',&#
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:14:59 +0100, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
>>>> The code page remark is curious. Will some "code pages" have digits
>>>> that are not ASCII digits?
>>>
>>> Good question. I have no idea.
&g
ect.
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ple much further up.
The effect can simulated like this:
def make_counter():
def c():
c.x += 1
return c.x
c.x = 0
return c
i = make_counter()
j = make_counter()
print(i(), i(), j(), i())
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Bart writes:
> On 23/06/2018 23:25, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bart writes:
>>
>>> On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>>>
>>>>> (At what point would that happen anyway; if you
To: Steven D'Aprano
From: Ben Bacarisse
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:14:59 +0100, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
>>>> The code page remark is curious. Will some "code pages" have digits
>>>> that are not ASCII digits?
>>&g
at all that
does.
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From: Ben Finney
Richard Damon writes:
> On 6/23/18 11:27 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> >> On 6/23/18 9:05 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> >>> Richard Damon wrote:
> >>> > Data presented to the user should normally use his locale
> >>> > (u
To: Bart
From: Ben Bacarisse
Bart writes:
> On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>
>>> (At what point would that happen anyway; if you do this:
>
>> NONE of your examples are taking copies of the fu
To: Bart
From: Ben Bacarisse
Bart writes:
> On 23/06/2018 23:25, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bart writes:
>>
>>> On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>>>
>>>>> (At what poin
To: Steven D'Aprano
From: "Ben Bacarisse"
To: Steven D'Aprano
From: Ben Bacarisse
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 11:14:59 +0100, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>
>>>> The code page remark is curious. Will some "code pages" hav
From: Ben Finney
Robert Latest via Python-list writes:
> Because the main.py script needs to import the tables.py module from
> backend, I put this at the top if main.py:
>
>sys.path.append('../..')
>import jobwatch.backend.tables as tables
>
> My questio
From: Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano writes:
> Anyone on the Python-Dev mailing list, are you getting private emails
> containing nothing but stream of consciousness word-salad from
> somebody (some bot?) calling himself "Chanel Marvin" with a gmail
> address?
I am on
From: Ben Finney
Paul Moore writes:
> On 24 June 2018 at 06:03, Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
> > Given this function:
> >
> > def test():
> > a = 1
> > b = 2
> > result = [value for key, value in locals().items()]
> > retu
To: Bart
From: "Ben Bacarisse"
To: Bart
From: Ben Bacarisse
Bart writes:
> On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>
>>> (At what point would that happen anyway; if you do this:
>
>> NONE o
To: Bart
From: "Ben Bacarisse"
To: Bart
From: Ben Bacarisse
Bart writes:
> On 23/06/2018 23:25, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>> Bart writes:
>>
>>> On 23/06/2018 21:13, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>> On Sat, Jun 23, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Bart wrote:
>
nses overpowers what our measuring |
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Ian Kelly writes:
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:38 AM Ben Finney wrote:
> >
> > Ethan Furman writes:
> >
> > Specifically, I can't make sense of why someone would want to have a
> > class that is simultaneously behaving as an enumerated type, *and*
> &
Ethan Furman writes:
> On 06/28/2018 05:58 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
>
> > So I remain dumbfounded as to why anyone would want a class to *both* be
> > an enumerated type, *and* have callable attributes in its API.
>
> Perhaps I am using Enum incorrectly, but here is
ary.
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Jim Lee writes:
> On 07/03/18 19:58, Ben Finney via Python-list wrote:
> > Jim Lee writes:
> >
> >> If you were to say John had 2 apples, Jane had 4 apples, and Joe had
> >> an indefinite number of apples, how many numbers are we talking about?
> > Three
T Berger writes:
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2018 at 4:00:03 PM UTC-4, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Given that history [of ignoring user requests for improvement], you
> > might want to avoid Google Groups for interacting with forums, and
> > choose software that works better with di
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erested any
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able to refer to it after the except clause. Exceptions are cleared
because with the traceback attached to them, they form a reference
cycle with the stack frame, keeping all locals in that frame alive
until the next garbage collection occurs.
This appears to be a change from Python 2. That wording is not present
in
https://docs.python.org/2/reference/compound_stmts.html#try
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Just word on quoting...
codewiz...@gmail.com writes:
> On Thursday, July 12, 2018 at 5:45:52 AM UTC-4, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
You cut everything I wrote. What you left is what I quoted from the
Python documentation. In fairness to the authors you should probab
ork on ints:
>>
>> bitwise AND: &
>> bitwise OR: |
>> bitwise XOR: ^
>>
> That's right I had forgotten about that.
There's also ~ for bitwise negation. Rather than explain what this
means in a language with an unbounded integer type, you might like
gress has resulted from people who took unpopular |
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erived from it) to improve the
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