Re: troglodytes

2024-08-14 Thread Left Right via Python-list
Hahah, as someone with extensive experience of being banned by various CoC-waving Python online communities' authorities I really enjoyed the saga. Watching little men grasp for power on the Web to squash their opponents never stops to amuse me. On Tue, Aug 13, 2024 at 4:56 PM Michael Torrie via P

Re: bring back nntp library to python3

2024-08-14 Thread Keith Thompson via Python-list
"test" writes: > why is the nntp library deprecated in recent python versions? they > clearly lost touch nntplib is not vanishing into thin air. It's just not going to be part of a default Python installation. (It's not there in Python 3.13.0rc1.) In my opinion the use of the word "deprecated"

Re: troglodytes

2024-08-14 Thread geodandw via Python-list
On 8/13/24 19:21, Left Right wrote: Hahah, as someone with extensive experience of being banned by various CoC-waving Python online communities' authorities I really enjoyed the saga. Watching little men grasp for power on the Web to squash their opponents never stops to amuse me. On Tue, Aug 13

Re: troglodytes

2024-08-14 Thread Left Right via Python-list
> Why do you have to belittle other people? Who says I have to? I like to! I like to see people driven by all sorts of low and reprehensible motives being punished for it. I don't know if I need to explain this motivation further. I think it's a very natural feeling. Human nature if you will. The

Re: bring back nntp library to python3

2024-08-14 Thread Ethan Furman via Python-list
On 8/14/24 13:14, Keith Thompson via Python-list wrote: > The rationale for removing nntplib and other modules from the default > installation is explained in PEP 0594 . > > """ > The nntplib tests have been the cause of additional work in the recent > past. Pyt

Re: troglodytes

2024-08-14 Thread Ethan Furman via Python-list
On 8/14/24 15:19, Left Right via Python-list wrote: >On 8/14/24 13:26, geodandw via Python-list wrote: >> Why do you have to belittle other people? > Who says I have to? I like to! I like to see people driven by all > sorts of low and reprehensible motives being punished for it. I don't > know i

Re: bring back nntp library to python3

2024-08-14 Thread Left Right via Python-list
> it became simple and straightforward to > download and install packages. I think the right word for this is "delusional". But people get offended when other people use the right words. Instead they want a grotesque round-about way of saying the same thing... So, the grotesque round-about way of

Re: bring back nntp library to python3

2024-08-14 Thread Alan Gauld via Python-list
On 14/08/2024 23:32, Left Right via Python-list wrote: >> it became simple and straightforward to >> download and install packages. > > I think the right word for this is "delusional". I agree. But even if it worked it doesn't alter the fact that by not having batteries included it puts the onus

Re: bring back nntp library to python3

2024-08-14 Thread Ethan Furman via Python-list
On 8/14/24 15:32, Left Right via Python-list wrote: > I think the right word for this is "delusional". But people get > offended when other people use the right words. Instead they want a > grotesque round-about way of saying the same thing... > > So, the grotesque round-about way of saying this,

Re: bring back nntp library to python3

2024-08-14 Thread Ethan Furman via Python-list
On 8/14/24 15:56, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote: > Lots of people care but the ability to influence these > decisions seems to have been removed far from the > general python user community. Python has moved from > the BDFL/Bazaar to the Committee/Cathedral. Probably > an inevitable consequenc

Re: bring back nntp library to python3

2024-08-14 Thread dn via Python-list
On 15/08/24 10:56, Alan Gauld via Python-list wrote: On 14/08/2024 23:32, Left Right via Python-list wrote: Lots of people care but the ability to influence these decisions seems to have been removed far from the general python user community. Python has moved from the BDFL/Bazaar to the Committe

Re: troglodytes

2024-08-14 Thread Mike Dewhirst via Python-list
On 14/08/2024 12:54 am, Michael Torrie via Python-list wrote: On 8/13/24 3:24 AM, Robin Becker via Python-list wrote: I am clearly one of the troglodytes referred to in recent discussions around the PSF. I've been around in python land for far too long, my eyesight fails etc etc. I feel strong

Re: bring back nntp library to python3

2024-08-14 Thread gene heskett via Python-list
On 8/14/24 19:43, dn via Python-list wrote: Recently there was an election for PSF members. Did 'everyone' participate? Of course not, I didn't simply because I don't know enough have a cogent opinion. But conversations like this are would seem to be good if they don't degenerate into name c