Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread marc nicole via Python-list
I am trying to install numpy library on Python 2.7.15 in PyCharm but the error message I get is: ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement numpy (from > versions: none) > ERROR: No matching distribution found for numpy > c:\python27\lib\site-packages\pip\_vendor\urllib3\util\s

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 21:32, marc nicole via Python-list wrote: > > I am trying to install numpy library on Python 2.7.15 in PyCharm but the > error message I get is: > > You can upgrade to a newer version of Python to solve this. The answer is right there in the error message. ChrisA -- https

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Gordinator via Python-list
On 12/06/2024 12:30, marc nicole wrote: I am trying to install numpy library on Python 2.7.15 in PyCharm but the error message I get is: ERROR: Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement numpy (from versions: none) ERROR: No matching distribution found for numpy c:\python27\lib\sit

RE: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
I am sure there is inertia to move from an older product and some people need a reason like this where the old becomes untenable. It seems Microsoft is having a problem where something lik 2/3 of Windows users have not upgraded from Windows 10 after many years and have set a deadline in a year or

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread MRAB via Python-list
On 2024-06-12 17:31, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: I am sure there is inertia to move from an older product and some people need a reason like this where the old becomes untenable. It seems Microsoft is having a problem where something lik 2/3 of Windows users have not upgraded from Windows 1

RE: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
Change is hard even when it may be necessary. The argument often is about whether some things are necessary or not. Python made a decision but clearly not a unanimous one. My current PC was not upgradable because of the new hardware requirement Microsoft decided was needed for Windows 11. I boug

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 03:41, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > > Change is hard even when it may be necessary. > > The argument often is about whether some things are necessary or not. > > Python made a decision but clearly not a unanimous one. What decision? To not release any new versions of

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Thomas Passin via Python-list
On 6/12/2024 1:59 PM, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote: On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 03:41, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: Change is hard even when it may be necessary. The argument often is about whether some things are necessary or not. Python made a decision but clearly not a unanimous on

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 06:55, Thomas Passin via Python-list wrote: > The project cannot move to a Python-3 compatible version because Jython > 3.xx doesn't exist and may never exist. The saving grace is that my > project doesn't have to use packages like numpy, scipy, and so forth. Exactly. If y

RE: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
Chris, Since you misunderstood, my statement was that making an incompatible set of changes to create Python 3 in the first place was a decision made by some and perhaps not one that thrilled others who already had an embedded base of programs or ones in the pipeline that would need much work to b

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 07:36, wrote: > But if the goal was to deprecate python 2 and in some sense phase it out, it > is perhaps not working well for some. Frankly, issuing so many updates like > 2.7 and including backporting of new features has helped make it possible to > delay any upgrade. The

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Oscar Benjamin via Python-list
On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 22:38, AVI GROSS via Python-list wrote: > > The discussion though was about a specific OP asking if they can fix their > problem. One solution being suggested is to fix a deeper problem and simply > make their code work with a recent version of python 3. The OP has not repl

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 07:57, Oscar Benjamin via Python-list wrote: > They are seeing a warning that explicitly says "You can upgrade to a > newer version of Python to solve this". I don't know whether that SSL > warning is directly connected to pip not finding any versions of numpy > but with the

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Oscar Benjamin via Python-list
On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 23:11, Chris Angelico via Python-list wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 07:57, Oscar Benjamin via Python-list > wrote: > > They are seeing a warning that explicitly says "You can upgrade to a > > newer version of Python to solve this". I don't know whether that SSL > > warn

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Greg Ewing via Python-list
On 13/06/24 4:31 am, avi.e.gr...@gmail.com wrote: It seems Microsoft is having a problem where something lik 2/3 of Windows users have not upgraded from Windows 10 after many years At least Python 3 is a clear improvement over Python 2 in many ways. Whereas the only thing Microsoft seems to hav

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 08:46, Oscar Benjamin via Python-list wrote: > I don't know much about SSL and related networking things especially > on Windows. I would be surprised if pip on old Python can't install > from current PyPI though. I imagine that something strange has > happened like a new ve

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Oscar Benjamin via Python-list
On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 at 23:52, Greg Ewing via Python-list wrote: > On 13/06/24 10:09 am, Chris Angelico wrote: > > So if anyone > > actually does need to use pip with Python 2.7, they probably need to > > set up a local server > > You should also be able to download a .tar.gz from PyPI and use p

RE: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
Chris, I don't want to get off message and debate whether my "jokes" are jokes, let alone funny. Obviously, they often aren't. What I meant by joking here does seem relevant. As the years pass, there can come a time when it is suggested that a language (any language including python) is no longer

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 09:20, wrote: > My point was that version 4 COULD HAPPEN one day and I meant INCOMPATIBLE > version not 4. Obviously we can make a version 4 that is not incompatible > too. This is still FUD. Back your words with something, or stop trying to imply that there's another incom

RE: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread AVI GROSS via Python-list
Chris, You seem to have perceived an insult that I remain unaware of. I have no special knowledge, like you do, of plans made for changes to the pthon language and implementation. I was asking a hypothetical question about what some users would do if python came out with a newer major version. I

Re: Couldn't install numpy on Python 2.7

2024-06-12 Thread Chris Angelico via Python-list
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 10:58, wrote: > > Chris, > > You seem to have perceived an insult that I remain unaware of. If you're not aware that you're saying this, then don't say it. > I looked up FUD and sharply disagree with suggestions I am trying to somehow > cause Fear, Uncertainty or Doubt. I