Re: Grapheme clusters, a.k.a.real characters

2017-07-17 Thread Rustom Mody
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 9:41:51 AM UTC+5:30, Rustom Mody wrote: > On a more serious note every other post on this (as on many discussing unicode > more broadly) is so ridiculously Euro (or Anglo) centric I would not know > where > to begin. > Witness your own… > Hint1: Ask your grandmother

Re: Grapheme clusters, a.k.a.real characters

2017-07-17 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Mikhail V : >>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 05:50 pm, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >>It's true that confusion is caused by the ambiguity of the term >>"character." > > Yes, but you have said "I might want random access to the "Grapheme clusters, > a.k.a. real characters" and I had impression that you have some c

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Is this PEP viable?

2017-07-17 Thread Evan Adler
I would like to submit the following proposal. In the logging module, I would like handlers (like file handlers and stream handlers) to have a field for exc_info printing. This way, a call to logger.exception() will write the stack trace to the handlers with this flag set, and only print the messag

Re: Grapheme clusters, a.k.a.real characters

2017-07-17 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 02:10 pm, Rustom Mody wrote: >> Please don't feed the trolls. > > Its usually called 'joke' Steven! Did the word fall out of your dictionary > in the last upgrade? > Rick was no more trolling than Marko Funny you say that. I often think Marko is trolling, but if he is, he do

Re: Grapheme clusters, a.k.a.real characters

2017-07-17 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 1:36 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 02:10 pm, Rustom Mody wrote: >> Hint1: Ask your grandmother whether unicode's notion of character makes >> sense. > > What on earth makes you think that my grandmother is a valid judge of whether > Unicode makes sense or

Re: Is this PEP viable?

2017-07-17 Thread breamoreboy
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:41:12 PM UTC+1, Evan Adler wrote: > I would like to submit the following proposal. In the logging module, I > would like handlers (like file handlers and stream handlers) to have a > field for exc_info printing. This way, a call to logger.exception() will > write the s

Re: Is this PEP viable?

2017-07-17 Thread Peter Otten
Evan Adler wrote: > I would like to submit the following proposal. In the logging module, I > would like handlers (like file handlers and stream handlers) to have a > field for exc_info printing. This way, a call to logger.exception() will > write the stack trace to the handlers with this flag set

Re: Grapheme clusters, a.k.a.real characters

2017-07-17 Thread Rhodri James
On 17/07/17 05:10, Rustom Mody wrote: Hint1: Ask your grandmother whether unicode's notion of character makes sense. Ask 10 gmas from 10 language-L's Hint2: When in doubt gma usually is right "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple and wrong." (H.L. Mencken). Unfor

Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Steve D'Aprano
collections.namedtuple generates a new class using exec, and records the source code for the class as a _source attribute. Although it has a leading underscore, it is actually a public attribute. The leading underscore distinguishes it from a named field potentially called "source", e.g. namedtupl

RE: Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Dan Strohl via Python-list
I have never used it personally. It always looked interesting, but I never ran into a need to generate the source for it. -Original Message- From: Python-list [mailto:python-list-bounces+d.strohl=f5@python.org] On Behalf Of Steve D'Aprano Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 9:58 AM To: pyth

Re: [RELEASE] Python 3.6.2 is now available

2017-07-17 Thread jladasky
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:02:01 AM UTC-7, bream...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 10:41:02 AM UTC+1, wxjm...@gmail.com wrote: > > Poor Python. > > Once it was working. > > Dear RUE, > > A bad workman always blames his tools. > > Mark Lawrence. +1. -- https://mail.python.or

Re: Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Rob Gaddi
On 07/17/2017 09:57 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: collections.namedtuple generates a new class using exec, and records the source code for the class as a _source attribute. Although it has a leading underscore, it is actually a public attribute. The leading underscore distinguishes it from a named f

Re: Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Ben Finney
Steve D'Aprano writes: > collections.namedtuple generates a new class using exec, and records > the source code for the class as a _source attribute. The documentation tells me that ‘_source’ is “New in version 3.3.” I wasn't aware that the ‘namedtuple’ interface had changed since it was introd

Combining every pair of list items and creating a new list.

2017-07-17 Thread aaron . m . weisberg
Hi, I'm having difficulty thinking about how to do this as a Python beginner. But I have a list that is represented as: [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8] and I would like the following results: [1,2] [3,4] [5,6] [7,8] Any ideas? Thanks -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

brew pip: "ImportError: No module named packaging.version"

2017-07-17 Thread akprasad
Hiya. I'm running El Capitan and have a Homebrew install of python (as well as one in /usr/bin/python, which I can't recall how I installed). I had some trouble pip installing Keras: $ sudo pip install keras … DEPRECATION: Uninstalling a distutils installed project (numpy) has been deprecat

Re: Combining every pair of list items and creating a new list.

2017-07-17 Thread MRAB
On 2017-07-17 21:10, aaron.m.weisb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm having difficulty thinking about how to do this as a Python beginner. But I have a list that is represented as: [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8] and I would like the following results: [1,2] [3,4] [5,6] [7,8] Any ideas? Thanks Those are slic

Grapheme clusters, a.k.a.real characters

2017-07-17 Thread Mikhail V
ChrisA wrote: >Yep! Nobody would take any notice of the fact that you just put dots >on all those letters. It's not like it's going to make any difference >to anything. We're not dealing with matters of life and death here. >Oh wait. >https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1017243/cellphone-l

Re: Grapheme clusters, a.k.a.real characters

2017-07-17 Thread Gregory Ewing
Steve D'Aprano wrote: I don't think that it is even a given that "atomic units of language" exist. To quote a Hindi speaker earlier in this thread, की is a letter, and yet it can be decomposed into की = क + ई, so it isn't "atomic". If letters aren't atomic, then what are? They're like subatomic

Re: Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Gregory Ewing
Steve D'Aprano writes: Is there anyone here who uses the namedtuple _source attribute? I didn't know it existed either, and if I did I would have assumed it was an implementation detail and would never have written code that relied on it. I certainly won't miss it if it disapppears. -- Greg -

Re: Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Ethan Furman
On 07/17/2017 12:44 PM, Rob Gaddi wrote: On 07/17/2017 09:57 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: collections.namedtuple generates a new class using exec, and records the source code for the class as a _source attribute. Although it has a leading underscore, it is actually a public attribute. The leadin

cPickle fails on manually compiled and executed Python function

2017-07-17 Thread Jan Gosmann
Hi, today I came across some weird behaviour (a bug?) in Python 2.7.13 (on Linux) with the cPickle module. The pickle module works and so does the pickle module in Python 3. I have a file fn.py with a minimal function definition: ``` def fn(): pass ``` The actual code that I run is in a

Re: Combining every pair of list items and creating a new list.

2017-07-17 Thread Rick Johnson
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:10:51 PM UTC-5, aaron.m@gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having difficulty thinking about how to do this as a Python beginner. > > But I have a list that is represented as: > > [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8] > > and I would like the following results: > > [1,2] [3,4] [5,6]

Re: Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Steve D'Aprano
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 05:44 am, Rob Gaddi wrote: > That said, it sure feels (as someone who hasn't tried it) like there's a > straightforward namedtuple implementation that calls type() directly > rather than having to exec. I know that exec-gunshyness is overblown, > but is there a simple answer a

Re: Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Rick Johnson
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 12:20:04 PM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > collections.namedtuple generates a new class using exec, > and records the source code for the class as a _source > attribute. Although it has a leading underscore, it is > actually a public attribute. The leading underscore >

Re: Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Michele Simionato
Il giorno lunedì 17 luglio 2017 19:20:04 UTC+2, Steve D'Aprano ha scritto: > collections.namedtuple generates a new class using exec, and records the > source > code for the class as a _source attribute. > > Although it has a leading underscore, it is actually a public attribute. The > leading un

Re: cPickle fails on manually compiled and executed Python function

2017-07-17 Thread dieter
"Jan Gosmann" writes: > today I came across some weird behaviour (a bug?) in Python 2.7.13 (on > Linux) with the cPickle module. The pickle module works and so does > the pickle module in Python 3. > > I have a file fn.py with a minimal function definition: > > ``` > def fn(): > pass > ``` >

Re: Users of namedtuple: do you use the _source attribute?

2017-07-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 7/17/2017 10:27 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 12:20:04 PM UTC-5, Steve D'Aprano wrote: collections.namedtuple generates a new class using exec, and records the source code for the class as a _source attribute. Although it has a leading underscore, it is actually a publi

Re: Grapheme clusters, a.k.a.real characters

2017-07-17 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Mikhail V : > And just in case still its not clear: this is not solved by adding > dirt around the letter: if there is enough significance of the phoneme > distinction then one should add a distinct letter for a syntax in > question. The letters of Finnish are: abdefghijklmnoprstuvyäö in tha