Re: newbie question about unicode

2007-06-23 Thread Genie T
On Jun 23, 12:04 pm, "Carsten Haese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 04:10:19 -, Genie T wrote > > > Hi, > > > can anybody tell me whether these two expressions have the same > > meanings? > > > s = u'' > > s1 = s.encode('utf-8') > > > AND > > > s1 = unicode(s,'utf-8') > > Cons

Re: Adding method to a class on the fly

2007-06-23 Thread John Henry
On Jun 22, 7:36 pm, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:44:54 -0700, John Henry wrote: > > The above doesn't exactly do I what need. I was looking for a way to > > add method to a class at run time. > > > What does work, is to define an entire sub-class at run time.

Re: rsync module?

2007-06-23 Thread Jason F. McBrayer
"Evan Klitzke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are there any python modules for accessing rsync from python? I would > like to be able to rsync files from a python script to a remote server > running an rsync daemon. I'm well aware that I can invoke rsync using > subprocess, os.system, etc., but I a

Re: urllib interpretation of URL with ".."

2007-06-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
John Nagle schrieb: > Here's a URL, found in a link, which gives us trouble > when we try to follow the link: > > http://sportsbra.co.uk/../acatalog/shop.html > > Browsers immediately turn this into > > http://sportsbra.co.uk/acatalog/shop.html > > and go from there, but urllib tries to

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > That's entirely orthogonal to the issue of interface learning curve > OR interface ease-of-use. Emacs has deficiencies in both areas, if > principally the former. (For an example of the latter, consider > opening a file. Can't remember the exact spelling and c

Re: newbie question about unicode

2007-06-23 Thread Genie T
On Jun 23, 1:06 pm, "Gabriel Genellina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > En Sat, 23 Jun 2007 01:10:19 -0300, Genie T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > escribió: > > > can anybody tell me whether these two expressions have the same > > meanings? > > > s = u'' > > s1 = s.encode('utf-8') > > > AND > > > s1 = unicode(

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
Pascal Bourguignon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Falcolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Would you mind elaborating on *what* took 3 hours to do, as opposed >> to just throwing around unquantified numbers? Would you also mind >> explaining the user's familiarity with the tools they were using o

Re: is this a valid import sequence ?

2007-06-23 Thread Stef Mientki
thanks Steven, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:43:40 +0200, Stef Mientki wrote: > >> This might be a very weird construction, >> but it's the most easy way in translating another language into Python (for >> simulation). >> >> Although it works, I like to know if this a valid con

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
Falcolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Jun 22, 11:28 am, Robert Uhl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It's Mac OS and Windows which are inconsistent. Emacs has been >> around since they were mere glimmers in the eye of Jobs & Gates... > > Inconsistent? I would have to disagree. They changed para

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > HOW IN THE BLOODY HELL IS IT SUPPOSED TO OCCUR TO SOMEONE TO ENTER > THEM, GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SO TO REACH THE HELP THAT WOULD > TELL THEM THOSE ARE THE KEYS TO REACH THE HELP?! Because there is a menu called "HELP" and because the "standard" keybindin

Re: SIMD powered Python

2007-06-23 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bytter wrote: > Is there any I&D ongoing about using SIMD [1] instructions, like SSE > [2], to speed up Python, especially regarding functional features, > like list comprehension, map and reduce, etc.. ? SIMD instruction sets know about "low level" data types, Python is a

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-23 Thread Robert Uhl
Bjorn Borud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | The idea is to start Emacs once and use it for everything. > > ...which is fine as long as you are only fiddling around on one > machine or you have emacs windows running on all your machines. Tramp can be used to access files on other hosts. It even

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > HOW IN THE BLOODY HELL IS IT SUPPOSED TO OCCUR TO SOMEONE TO ENTER > THEM, GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SO TO REACH THE HELP THAT WOULD > TELL THEM THOSE ARE THE KEYS TO REACH THE HELP?! Because there is a menu called "HELP" and because the "standard" keybindin

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > PS you'll have to stop posting such a high volume here. I'm getting > BS from Google Groups about posting limits being exceeded again. Oh, but that just means that _YOU_ will have to stop posting such a high volume here. Others are not affected. Though I have no doub

ctypes help for "array of character pointers" as an output parameter

2007-06-23 Thread stalex
I'm wrapping a C function exists in a shared library. Its prototype looks like as follows int getFileNames(int aSize, char **names); The documentation says that the asSize is the number of entries to be returned and names is output array of character pointers of at least aSize elements. So, I

Re: Collections of non-arbitrary objects ?

2007-06-23 Thread Paddy
On Jun 23, 1:45 am, walterbyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jun 21, 5:38 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > That's a flippant response, but I don't understand the question. > > Everybody here seems to have about the same response: "why would you > ever want to do that?" > > Maybe

Re: "assert" annoyance

2007-06-23 Thread Dave Baum
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Rubin wrote: > > What I really want is for any assertion failure, anywhere in the > program, to trap to the debugger WITHOUT blowing out of the scope > where the failure happened, so I can examine the local frame. That > just seems

the truth

2007-06-23 Thread the truth seeker
Explore the greatest life of the most recognized man in the history of humanity. http://mohammad.islamway.com -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

looking for scott from Glassboro State

2007-06-23 Thread Fran Duffy
I am looking for a friend of mine that I havent seen in a long time. If you are Scott that went to Glassboro as a music major, please send me an Email: Fran Duffy at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are not that Scott, disregard, and sorry to take up your time. Thanks Fran Duffy -- http://mail.python.o

Re: Error in following code

2007-06-23 Thread Bjoern Schliessmann
Jay Loden wrote: > That should do the trick. Additionally, it does the trick to save the first entered number as default argument forever. Regards, Björn -- BOFH excuse #117: the printer thinks its a router. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: subprocess.popen question

2007-06-23 Thread SPE - Stani's Python Editor
On Jun 23, 5:35 am, "Gabriel Genellina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > En Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:08:49 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: > > > I seemed to have it working sorta when I run it and save the results I > > am noticing that inspeit spaces correctly but when I save it to

Re: PEP 3107 and stronger typing (note: probably a newbie question)

2007-06-23 Thread Michael Hoffman
Eduardo "EdCrypt" O. Padoan wrote: > On 6/22/07, John Nagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Paul Boddie wrote: >> > P.S. I agree with the sentiment that the annotations feature of Python >> > 3000 seems like a lot of baggage. Aside from some benefits around >> > writing C/C++/Java wrappers, it's the

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Cor Gest
Some entity, AKA Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote this mindboggling stuff: (selectively-snipped-or-not-p) > Boys, do you really not understand that this is a religious issue? You > can't use arguments and logic to convince someone to convert their > religion, and you can't use arguments a

RE: Changing the names of python keywords

2007-06-23 Thread vedrandekovic
Hello, I on working on windows and Python 2.4. Where can I find and CHANGE python grammar. ( I just want to change the keywords ) PLEASE HELP ME SOMEBODY!! THANKS! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-lis

Re: PEP 3107 and stronger typing (note: probably a newbie question)

2007-06-23 Thread Kay Schluehr
On 22 Jun., 08:46, John Nagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > PEP 3107 seems to add negative value to the language. The > ability to add arbitrary attributes to parameters which can then > be interpreted by some external library yet to be defined is > a "l33t feature", one that's more cute than usef

Changing sound volume

2007-06-23 Thread simon kagwe
Hi, I am playing sounds using the winsound module. Is there a way I can change the volume? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

RE: Changing the names of python keywords

2007-06-23 Thread ...:::JA:::...
Hello, I on working on windows and Python 2.4. Where can I find and CHANGE python grammar. ( I just want to change the keywords ) PLEASE HELP ME SOMEBODY!! THANKS! __

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Bjorn Borud
[Falcolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] | | I guess ultimately I'm trying to argue the point that just because a | tool was written with a GUI or on Windows does not automatically make | it any less a productive tool than a text based terminal tool. Even in | windows, you can use the keyboard to do all of

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Paul Rubin
Michele Simionato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > BTW, there are already Python-like languages with macros > (i.e. logix) and still nobody use them, including people with a > Scheme/Lisp background. That should be telling you something. What about Dylan? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/p

Using PSE under Win32

2007-06-23 Thread Eduardo Dobay
Hello, I've been playing around with mod_python these days (using Publisher and PSP), and it has been working smoothly under Windows XP (using Apache 2.2). But when I installed PSE and went to use it with mod_python, it didn't work. The error I get whenever I try to load a PSE page is: Traceback (

Re: "assert" annoyance

2007-06-23 Thread Michele Simionato
On Jun 22, 5:05 pm, Paul Rubin wrote: > Unit tests are not a magic wand that discover every problem that a > program could possibly have. +1 QOTW Michele Simionato -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: SIMD powered Python

2007-06-23 Thread Paul Rubin
Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > True... But maybe in NumPy arrays that would be more feasible...? > > Yes but that's in external libraries and not in the Python interpreter. > So it won't speed up Python code like list comprehensions but "just" calls > to external function

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-23 Thread Bjorn Borud
[Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] | | > I have observed similar opinions in other non-computer-freaks. people | > who see the computer only as a tool and are only interested in getting | > the job done. they have a surprising preference for Linux. | | But not emacs, I'll bet. I think emacs appeals

Re: SIMD powered Python

2007-06-23 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bytter wrote: > Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch escreveu: >> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bytter wrote: >> >> > Is there any I&D ongoing about using SIMD [1] instructions, like SSE >> > [2], to speed up Python, especially regarding functional features, >> > like list comprehension, map

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Michele Simionato
On Jun 22, 8:09 pm, Douglas Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Functionality is no good if it's too cumbersome to use. For instance, > Scheme gives you first class continuations, which Python doesn't. > Continuations let you do *all sorts* of interesting things that you > just cannot do in Python.

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Martin Gregorie
BartlebyScrivener wrote: > On Jun 22, 3:47 pm, Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> If it requires years of mastery, it is clunky > > Well, now you keep harping on this, but it's just not true. > > I use vim myself, but for purposes of this argument it doesn't matter. > If you take the Vim tu

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Douglas Alan
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Nevertheless, in Python 1+2 always equals 3. You can't say the same thing > about Lisp. Well, I can't say much of *anything* about "1 + 2" in Lisp, since that's not the syntax for adding numbers in Lisp. In Lisp, numbers are typically added using the

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Matthias Buelow
Tim Roberts wrote: > Editors are like underwear. We each have our own favorite brand, and > nothing you say will convince me to change mine. You really should have stopped here :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Paul Rubin
Michele Simionato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Really powerful languages (say Haskell, just not to be too > Python-centric) do not need macros. http://www.haskell.org/th/ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Adding method to a class on the fly

2007-06-23 Thread John Henry
> > > But then how do I create the on_Button1_mouseClick function? > > That depends on what it is supposed to do, but in general you want a > factory function -- a function that returns functions. Here's a simple > example: > Steven, May be I didn't explain it clearly: the PythonCard package exp

Re: Python plain-text database or library that supports joins?

2007-06-23 Thread Michele Simionato
On Jun 22, 7:18 pm, felciano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello -- > > Is there a convention, library or Pythonic idiom for performing > lightweight relational operations on flatfiles? I frequently find > myself writing code to do simple SQL-like operations between flat > files, such as appending c

relative import question: packaging scripts

2007-06-23 Thread Alan Isaac
What is the recommended packaging of demo scripts or test scripts for a package that has modules that use relative imports? Example: Suppose I have the package structure: package/ __init__.py subpackage1/ __init__.py moduleY.py subpackage2/ __init__.py

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Bjorn Borud
[Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] | | That sort of negative-sum thinking is alien to me. Software being easy | for beginners to get started using does not in and of itself detract | from its value to expert users. the fact that you imply that this is my argument tells me that either you have not paid

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Michele Simionato
On Jun 23, 6:11 am, Lenard Lindstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When this thread turned to the topic of macros I did an Internet search > for information on macros relevant to Python. Dylan's macros look > promising. The Python-inspired language Converge has macros > (http://convergepl.org/). Mi

Re: People who reply to spammers [was: Re: I need some cleanings tips and advice.]

2007-06-23 Thread Lew
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:11:58 +, Colin B. replied to a spammer with: > >> Let's see if I get this right. >> >> You create a website for a subject that you know nothing about. Then you >> try to solicit content in a bunch of programming language newsgroups. >> >> Wow, th

Re: high performance/threaded applications in Python - your experiences?

2007-06-23 Thread Ivan Voras
Jay Loden wrote: > I was hoping for some experiences that some of you on the list may have had > in dealing with Python in a high performance and/or threaded environment. In > essence, I'm wondering how big of a deal the GIL can be in a real-world > scenario where you need to take advantage of

Re: Adding method to a class on the fly

2007-06-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 00:02:09 -0700, John Henry wrote: [snip] > Notice that the event handler for mouseClick to Button1 is done via > the function on_Button1_mouseClick. This is very simple and works > great - until you try to create the button on the fly. > > Creating the button itself is no pro

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Michele Simionato
On Jun 22, 7:54 pm, Douglas Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The proof is in the pudding for anyone who has seen the advantages it > brings to Lisp. As Paul Graham points out, it's hard to look up and > see the advantages of what is up there in a more powerful language. > It's only easy to look d

Re: Python live environment on web-site?

2007-06-23 Thread Thomas Lenarz
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:18:26 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Lenarz) wrote: >Hi all, > >I was wondering if there was a python-live-environment available on a >public web-site similar to the ruby-live-tutorial on Thanks a lot for all your replies. I looked at the "TryPython-Sites" and will have a

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Bjorn Borud
[Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] | You end up having to memorize the help, because *you can't | have arbitrary parts of the help and your document open side by side | and be working on the document*. All because you can't simply tab or | click to the document. yes you can. you even have a lot of cho

Re: SIMD powered Python

2007-06-23 Thread Bytter
Hi... True... But maybe in NumPy arrays that would be more feasible...? Cheers. Hugo Ferreira Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch escreveu: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bytter wrote: > > > Is there any I&D ongoing about using SIMD [1] instructions, like SSE > > [2], to speed up Python, especially regarding f

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Golden
Bjorn Borud wrote: > [Falcolas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > | > | I guess ultimately I'm trying to argue the point that just because a > | tool was written with a GUI or on Windows does not automatically > | make it any less a productive tool than a text based terminal tool. > | Even in windows, you ca

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-23 Thread Martin Gregorie
Joel J. Adamson wrote: > Xerox PARC (not Apple nor MIcrosoft) excelled in helping computers fit > in to how people already lived, not the other way around. > I've never got my hands on a genuine Xerox. About the nearest to that I managed was an ICL PERQ back in 1980, with a portrait-mode black and

Re: Adding method to a class on the fly

2007-06-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:06:36 -0700, John Henry wrote: >> >> > But then how do I create the on_Button1_mouseClick function? >> >> That depends on what it is supposed to do, but in general you want a >> factory function -- a function that returns functions. Here's a simple >> example: >> > > > Ste

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:39:51 -0400, Douglas Alan wrote: > One of the things that annoys me when coding in Python (and this is a > flaw that even lowly Perl has a good solution for), is that if you do > something like > > longVarableName = foo(longVariableName) > > You end up with a bug that

Re: is this a valid import sequence ?

2007-06-23 Thread Scott David Daniels
Stef Mientki wrote: > ... I've defined a class, like this, ... > > class T6963_device (tDevice): > def __init__ (self): > global LCD > LCD = self > ... In the same module I've a function, > that runs a method of the above class instance, ... > > def Write_LCD_Data ( data ): >

Re: C API: passing by reference

2007-06-23 Thread Carsten Haese
On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 18:25 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm writing my own python extension module with the C API. In python > all functions pass arguments by reference, "Pass by reference", while correct from a certain standpoint, is to be taken with a large grain of salt. It is correct in

Re: Collections of non-arbitrary objects ?

2007-06-23 Thread walterbyrd
On Jun 22, 11:43 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you help us understand, by showing a use case that would in your > estimation be improved by the feature you're describing? > Suppose you are sequentially processing a list with a routine that expects every item to be of a certain t

Re: C API: passing by reference

2007-06-23 Thread Martin v. Löwis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: > I'm writing my own python extension module with the C API. In python > all functions pass arguments by reference Can you please show an example what you mean by that? There is no "pass-by-reference" in Python: a function can not normally modify the variable in the call

Re: is this a valid import sequence ?

2007-06-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:03:03 -0700, Scott David Daniels wrote: > The global statement in Write_LCD_Data is completely unnecessary. The > only time you need "global" is if you want to reassociate the global > name to another object (such as LCD = LCD + 1 or whatever). That's technically true, but

Re: Adding method to a class on the fly

2007-06-23 Thread John Henry
On Jun 23, 10:56 am, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:06:36 -0700, John Henry wrote: > > >> > But then how do I create the on_Button1_mouseClick function? > > >> That depends on what it is supposed to do, but in general you want a > >> factory function -- a functi

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Douglas Alan
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But if you really want declarations, you can have them. > import variables variables.declare(x=1, y=2.5, z=[1, 2, 4]) variables.x = None variables.w = 0 > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File "variabl

Re: is this a valid import sequence ?

2007-06-23 Thread Stef Mientki
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:03:03 -0700, Scott David Daniels wrote: > >> The global statement in Write_LCD_Data is completely unnecessary. The >> only time you need "global" is if you want to reassociate the global >> name to another object (such as LCD = LCD + 1 or whatever).

C API: passing by reference

2007-06-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm writing my own python extension module with the C API. In python all functions pass arguments by reference, but how can I make use of this in C? Right now, I am using: PyArg_ParseTuple(args, "(ii)(ii)", &faceId1, &vertId1, &faceId2, &vertId2) I want the to change the faceId's in my function.

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Douglas Alan
Michele Simionato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Been there, done that. So what? Your example will not convince any > Pythonista. I'm a Pythonista, and it convinces me. > The Pythonista expects Guido to do the language job and the > application developer to do the application job. I'm happy to h

Re: C API: passing by reference

2007-06-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for that clarification Martin. When I googled it before, the first page I read said "Python passes all arguments using 'pass by reference'." However, after seeing your reply and further searching I see that this is not true. I have a python function insertEdge which takes to 2-tuples of (fa

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Douglas Alan
Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> So one use for macros would be so that I can define "let" and "set" >> statements so that I might code like this: >> >> let longVariableName = 0 >> set longVarableName = foo(longVariableName) >> >> Then if longVarableName didn't already ex

Re: Adding method to a class on the fly

2007-06-23 Thread John Henry
On Jun 23, 10:56 am, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 09:06:36 -0700, John Henry wrote: > > >> > But then how do I create the on_Button1_mouseClick function? > > >> That depends on what it is supposed to do, but in general you want a > >> factory function -- a functi

Re: Collections of non-arbitrary objects ?

2007-06-23 Thread 7stud
On Jun 23, 11:45 am, walterbyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jun 22, 11:43 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Can you help us understand, by showing a use case that would in your > > estimation be improved by the feature you're describing? > > Suppose you are sequentially processi

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread David Kastrup
Matthias Buelow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Tim Roberts wrote: > >> Editors are like underwear. We each have our own favorite brand, and >> nothing you say will convince me to change mine. > > You really should have stopped here :) Well if "It stinks!" is not incentive enough for him to ch

Re: Collections of non-arbitrary objects ?

2007-06-23 Thread Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, walterbyrd wrote: > On Jun 22, 11:43 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Can you help us understand, by showing a use case that would in your >> estimation be improved by the feature you're describing? >> > > Suppose you are sequentially processing a list wit

bicycle repair man help

2007-06-23 Thread Rustom Mody
Does someone know that when using bicycle repair man to refactor python code what exactly extract local variable means? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Do eval() and exec not accept a function definition? (like 'def foo: pass) ?

2007-06-23 Thread vasudevram
Hi group, Question: Do eval() and exec not accept a function definition? (like 'def foo: pass) ? I wrote a function to generate other functions using something like eval("def foo: ") but it gave a syntax error ("Invalid syntax") with caret pointing to the 'd' of the def keyword. Details (so

Re: Do eval() and exec not accept a function definition? (like 'def foo: pass) ?

2007-06-23 Thread Eduardo Dobay
Hey, I think you could use lambda functions for that matter (Ever heard of them?). You could write something like: def generate_html_tag_function(tag_name, start_or_end): start_or_end.lower() assert(start_or_end in ('start', 'end')) if start_or_end == 'start': function = lambda: '

pydoc with METH_VARGS

2007-06-23 Thread Stuart
With my Python extension module all the function definitions are with METH_VARGS. The result being that pydoc, just puts "(...)" for the argument list. Can I hand edit this to put the specific variable names I want? With optional arguments in brackets or something? Thanks. -- http://mail.python.

Re: Do eval() and exec not accept a function definition? (like 'def foo: pass) ?

2007-06-23 Thread MC
Hi! Try with change all '\r\n' by '\n' -- @-salutations Michel Claveau -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Python changing keywords name

2007-06-23 Thread vedrandekovic
Hello AGAIN, I on working on windows and Python 2.4. Where can I find and CHANGE python grammar. ( I just want to change the keywords ) PLEASE HELP ME SOMEBODY!! THANKS! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyth

Re: Portable general timestamp format, not 2038-limited

2007-06-23 Thread James Harris
On 22 Jun, 23:49, Roger Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > My rule of thumb in situations like this is "When in doubt store it as > text". The one format I am pretty sure we will still be able to deal > with in 2039. Interesting. I hadn't thought about using text. It would add to the storage

Re: Python changing keywords name

2007-06-23 Thread Michael Hoffman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello AGAIN, > > I on working on windows and Python 2.4. Where can I find and CHANGE > python > grammar. ( I just want to change the keywords ) > > PLEASE HELP ME > SOMEBODY!! > > THANKS! Thi

Re: Collections of non-arbitrary objects ?

2007-06-23 Thread Paddy
On Jun 23, 6:45 pm, walterbyrd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jun 22, 11:43 pm, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Can you help us understand, by showing a use case that would in your > > estimation be improved by the feature you're describing? > > Suppose you are sequentially processin

Re: Do eval() and exec not accept a function definition? (like 'def foo: pass) ?

2007-06-23 Thread vasudevram
On Jun 24, 1:20 am, Eduardo Dobay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, > > I think you could use lambda functions for that matter (Ever heard of > them?). You could write something like: > > def generate_html_tag_function(tag_name, start_or_end): >start_or_end.lower() >assert(start_or_end in (

Strange Thread Issue

2007-06-23 Thread Robert Rawlins - Think Blue
Hello Guys, I'm having an issue with a thread which I've not come across before and it has be baffled. The thread doesn't really do a lot, it simple contains a popen command to run something from cmd, now then i trigger the thread form my main application using the .start() method nothing happe

Re: Python changing keywords name

2007-06-23 Thread James Stroud
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello AGAIN, > > I on working on windows and Python 2.4. Where can I find and CHANGE > python > grammar. ( I just want to change the keywords ) > > PLEASE HELP ME > SOMEBODY!! > > THANKS! >

Re: Portable general timestamp format, not 2038-limited

2007-06-23 Thread rossum
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 13:37:14 -0700, James Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On 22 Jun, 23:49, Roger Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... >> My rule of thumb in situations like this is "When in doubt store it as >> text". The one format I am pretty sure we will still be able to deal >> with in

Re: database design help

2007-06-23 Thread Jacek Trzmiel
Hi, Brian Blais wrote: > I am trying to design a system for people to submit a series of documents to a > project. I want users to have the ability to submit updates to any > documents, so > that there should be a history (or sequence) for each document. [...] > project1: >document 1, docum

Re: Do eval() and exec not accept a function definition? (like 'def foo: pass) ?

2007-06-23 Thread Scott David Daniels
vasudevram wrote: > Hi group, > > Question: Do eval() and exec not accept a function definition? (like > 'def foo: pass) ? def is the first keyword in a _statement_, not an expression. exec executes statements, eval evaluates expressions. try this: exec "def foolish(x):\ny= x * 2\n

database design help

2007-06-23 Thread Brian Blais
Hello, I am trying to design a system for people to submit a series of documents to a project. I want users to have the ability to submit updates to any documents, so that there should be a history (or sequence) for each document. I think in terms of python data structures, so the relational d

trouble installing numpy 1.0.2 and scipy.0.5.2

2007-06-23 Thread 1960_j
I have tried to install numpy and scipy on python 5.2. Using gcc 2.95.3, lapack 3.1.1 and ATLAS 3.6.0. When installin numpy it seems to work but when I try to run test get error no test for numpy. When I try to Install scipy only get error. Any ideas on how to install would be appreciated. Thank

Re: urllib interpretation of URL with ".."

2007-06-23 Thread John Nagle
Martin v. Löwis wrote: > John Nagle schrieb: > >>Here's a URL, found in a link, which gives us trouble >>when we try to follow the link: >> >>http://sportsbra.co.uk/../acatalog/shop.html >> >>Browsers immediately turn this into >> >>http://sportsbra.co.uk/acatalog/shop.html >> >>and go fro

Leo 4.4.3 beta 3 released

2007-06-23 Thread Edward K Ream
Leo 4.4.3 beta 3 is available at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3458&package_id=29106 This release fixes all known bugs and adds several new features. Leo is a text editor, data organizer, project manager and much more. See: http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/intro.html

how to query/test the state of a qt widget?

2007-06-23 Thread raacampbell
Hi, I'm writing a simple Python/Qt3 application and I am trying to write some code in which the user presses a button and the program performs action A or B depending upon the state of a pair of radio buttons. I would therefore like Python to read the state of the buttons. I was expecting this to

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Robert Uhl
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > For an example of the latter, consider opening a file. Can't remember > the exact spelling and capitalization of the file name? Sorry, bud, > you're SOL. Go find it in some other app and memorize the name, then > return to emacs. Once again I am forced to wo

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Robert Uhl
Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > HOW IN THE BLOODY HELL IS IT SUPPOSED TO OCCUR TO SOMEONE TO ENTER > THEM, GIVEN THAT THEY HAVE TO DO SO TO REACH THE HELP THAT WOULD TELL > THEM THOSE ARE THE KEYS TO REACH THE HELP?! Because WHEN YOU START EMACS IT DISPLAYS A MESSAGE TELLING YOU HOW TO GET

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Robert Uhl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > So now we're expected to go on a filesystem fishing expedition instead > of just hit F1? Interestingly enough, f1 _is_ bound to the help system in emacs. So's C-h. So's the 'help' key. -- Robert Uhl That's why I love VoIP. You don't

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bjorn Borud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [Giorgos Keramidas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > | > | Educating the user to avoid confusion in this and other cases of made > | up, 'user-friendly' descriptions is not a good enough answer. > > there are two types of "user friend

Re: Python's "only one way to do it" philosophy isn't good?

2007-06-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 14:56:35 -0400, Douglas Alan wrote: >> How long did it take you to write the macros, and use them, compared >> to running Pylint or Pychecker or equivalent? > > An hour? Who cares? You write it once and then you have it for the > rest of your life. You put it in a widely av

Re: The Modernization of Emacs: terminology buffer and keybinding

2007-06-23 Thread Robert Uhl
Bjorn Borud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > for Emacs it would be far more helpful if the Lisp-implementation was > replaced with one that is more efficient and Common Lisp-like. > (indeed several friends of mine would like to see Emacs done in Common > Lisp, and I seem to have some memory of such

Re: The Modernization of Emacs

2007-06-23 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Twisted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [ snip ] > I find these anecdotes liberally sprinkled into this thread frankly > unbelievable. Either they are not using the same software I understand > "emacs" to refer to, I think this may be the explanation. The other peop

Re: Do eval() and exec not accept a function definition? (like 'def foo: pass) ?

2007-06-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 19:58:32 +, vasudevram wrote: > > Hi group, > > Question: Do eval() and exec not accept a function definition? (like > 'def foo: pass) ? eval() is a function, and it only evaluates EXPRESSIONS, not code blocks. eval("2+3") # works eval("x - 4") # works, if x exists eva

Re: Adding method to a class on the fly

2007-06-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:31:39 -0700, John Henry wrote: > it works fine but PythonCard isn't calling this function when I > clicked on the button. I think you need to take this question onto a PythonCard list. I have no idea how PythonCard decides which method to call. -- Steven. -- http://ma

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