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non native speakers try to do their best as for ... who can't be bothered to use correct grammar in English, and probably are comparably sloppy in their code. ... maybe but check INADA NAOKI Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ or the practicality of killfiling people who

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i appreciate every suggestions though ^^_ Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ Ahh, yes. The elegant purity of reading every email that goes through > this mailing list, or the practicality of killfiling people who can't > be bothered to use correct grammar in English, and p

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On Friday 06 July 2018 14:27:16 Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2018-07-06, Gene Heskett wrote: > > In that case, I hate to say it, but your education is sorely lacking > > in the fundamentals. Smelting for instance was discussed at length > > in the high school physics books I was reading by the time

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Robin Becker wrote: The villagers will shout "hey siri I need a compiler" and one will be provided Then one day someone says "Hey, Siri, make me an artificial intelligence that can respond to voice commands", and then it's not long before the AIs are breeding by themselves and take over. Berri

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On Fri, 06 Jul 2018 18:27:16 +, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2018-07-06, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> In that case, I hate to say it, but your education is sorely lacking in >> the fundamentals. Smelting for instance was discussed at length in the >> high school physics books I was reading by the t

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On 07/06/18 12:57, Terry Reedy wrote: On 7/5/2018 9:40 PM, Jim Lee wrote: On 07/05/18 18:25, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:27:09 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: Take a village of people.  They live mostly on wild berries. Because of course a community of people living on one food is

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On 2018-07-06, Jim Lee wrote: > On 07/06/18 11:25, Grant Edwards wrote: >> On 2018-07-06, Jim Lee wrote: >> >>> Pedantics again. Didn't even get the point before tearing apart the >>> *analogy* rather than the *point itself*. >> Jim Lee, this is the Internet. >> >> Intenet, this is Jim Lee. >> >>

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On 7/5/2018 9:40 PM, Jim Lee wrote: On 07/05/18 18:25, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:27:09 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: Take a village of people.  They live mostly on wild berries. Because of course a community of people living on one food is so realistic. Even the Eskimos and Inuit

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On 07/06/18 11:25, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2018-07-06, Jim Lee wrote: Pedantics again. Didn't even get the point before tearing apart the *analogy* rather than the *point itself*. Jim Lee, this is the Internet. Intenet, this is Jim Lee. :) You have an inaccurate anthropomorphic referenc

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On 2018-07-06, Jim Lee wrote: > > Pedantics again. Didn't even get the point before tearing apart the > *analogy* rather than the *point itself*. Jim Lee, this is the Internet. Intenet, this is Jim Lee. :) -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! I'm encased in the

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On 2018-07-06, Gene Heskett wrote: > In that case, I hate to say it, but your education is sorely lacking in > the fundamentals. Smelting for instance was discussed at length in the > high school physics books I was reading by the time I was in the 3rd > grade. Don't they teach anything in sch

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On 2018-07-05, Jim Lee wrote: > Take a village of people. They live mostly on wild berries. It's completely orthogonal to your point of course, but I thought villages happened precisely because people had stopped living off wild stuff and had adopted organized agriculture... -- Grant Edwards

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On 05/07/2018 21:43, Jim Lee wrote: ... identifying the poisonous berries. I would respect your analogy more if every compiler used today were forty years old and not being developed by anyone other than its original creator(s). ChrisA It's not about compilers - it's about skills. 

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On 06/07/18 07:04, Gregory Ewing wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: Even the Eskimos and Inuit, living in some of the harshest environments on earth, managed to have a relatively wide variety of foods in their diet. They might be living on a very wide variety of berries. Or perhaps, in their lang

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On 06/07/18 02:40, Jim Lee wrote: On 07/05/18 18:25, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:27:09 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: Take a village of people.  They live mostly on wild berries. Because of course a community of people living on one food is so realistic. Even the Eskimos and Inuit,

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Steven D'Aprano wrote: Even the Eskimos and Inuit, living in some of the harshest environments on earth, managed to have a relatively wide variety of foods in their diet. They might be living on a very wide variety of berries. Or perhaps, in their language, "berry" simply means "food". -- Gr

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On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 18:40:11 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: > On 07/05/18 18:25, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:27:09 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: >> >>> Take a village of people.  They live mostly on wild berries. >> Because of course a community of people living on one food is so >> realistic.

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On Thursday 05 July 2018 21:25:31 Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:27:09 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: > > Take a village of people.  They live mostly on wild berries. > > Because of course a community of people living on one food is so > realistic. Even the Eskimos and Inuit, living in som

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On 07/05/18 18:25, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:27:09 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: Take a village of people.  They live mostly on wild berries. Because of course a community of people living on one food is so realistic. Even the Eskimos and Inuit, living in some of the harshest env

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On 07/05/18 18:14, Michael Torrie wrote: On 07/05/2018 11:47 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: That wasn't me, but I do agree with the sentiment in that its often silly to focus on them at the wrong time and without constraints that warrant that focus. Premature optimization is the root of all evil,

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On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:27:09 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: > Take a village of people.  They live mostly on wild berries. Because of course a community of people living on one food is so realistic. Even the Eskimos and Inuit, living in some of the harshest environments on earth, managed to have a relat

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On 07/05/2018 11:47 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > That wasn't me, but I do agree with the sentiment in that its often silly > to focus on them at the wrong time and without constraints that warrant > that focus. Premature optimization is the root of all evil, the saying goes. I see this kind of th

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On Thu, 05 Jul 2018 10:41:36 -0700, Jim Lee wrote: > The horde of > programmers a generation or two from now may have no clue how to do > these things. That's okay, the horde of programmers have never known how to do these things (optimization). They either don't do it at all, or they run riot

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On 05Jul2018 11:22, Rhodri James wrote: On 05/07/18 09:43, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: just when to use main() in if __name__ == '__main__' : main() is far is it good in py? or should file intended to be run just not include it? It's a matter of taste. If your "file intended to be

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On 07/05/18 14:15, MRAB wrote: On 2018-07-05 21:43, Jim Lee wrote: On 07/05/18 12:58, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:27 AM, Jim Lee wrote: On 07/05/18 10:47, Calvin Spealman wrote: You say "pitfall", but I say "allow developers to focus on higher-level problems and en

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On 2018-07-05 21:43, Jim Lee wrote: On 07/05/18 12:58, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:27 AM, Jim Lee wrote: On 07/05/18 10:47, Calvin Spealman wrote: You say "pitfall", but I say "allow developers to focus on higher-level problems and enable developers to specialize among

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On 07/05/18 12:58, Chris Angelico wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:27 AM, Jim Lee wrote: On 07/05/18 10:47, Calvin Spealman wrote: You say "pitfall", but I say "allow developers to focus on higher-level problems and enable developers to specialize among tasks so every single one of us does

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On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 4:27 AM, Jim Lee wrote: > > > On 07/05/18 10:47, Calvin Spealman wrote: >> >> >> >> You say "pitfall", but I say "allow developers to focus on higher-level >> problems and enable developers to specialize among tasks so every single one >> of us doesn't have to be a jack of a

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On 07/05/18 10:47, Calvin Spealman wrote: You say "pitfall", but I say "allow developers to focus on higher-level problems and enable developers to specialize among tasks so every single one of us doesn't have to be a jack of all trades just to build a todo list app". Sure, that's the

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Jim Lee wrote: > > > On 07/05/18 10:15, Calvin Spealman wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Jim Lee wrote: > >> >> >> On 07/05/18 05:14, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> >>> Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer : >>> * Create as many functions as you can > perfo

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On 07/05/18 10:15, Calvin Spealman wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Jim Lee > wrote: On 07/05/18 05:14, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer mailto:arj.pyt...@gmail.com>>: * Create as many functions as you can

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Jim Lee wrote: > > > On 07/05/18 05:14, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > >> Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer : >> >>> * Create as many functions as you can >>> performance? >>> >> Python? >> >> Seriously, though. The principle of expressive encapsulation is one of >> the basi

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On 07/05/18 05:14, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer : * Create as many functions as you can performance? Python? Seriously, though. The principle of expressive encapsulation is one of the basic cornerstones of writing computer programs. Performance barely ever becomes a questi

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: > that's what happens when you type from mobile > > btw i have top posted since some days only in this thread > > as for my english well i got distinction in cambridge ucles in gp for high > school but practicality beats purity Ahh,

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:20 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Rhodri James : >> I'm not a big fan of "main()" functions myself; creating a function >> which will be called exactly once seems rather wasteful. > > A function is the encapsulation of a distinct ... well ... function. > Functions that are ca

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that's what happens when you type from mobile btw i have top posted since some days only in this thread as for my english well i got distinction in cambridge ucles in gp for high school but practicality beats purity Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ > > > -- https://ma

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On 05/07/18 11:39, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: i once saw a python course (by academics) advertising main() in it's promotional flier that's put me in doubt as whether it's that recommended or not Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ I can remember back to the good

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Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer : >> * Create as many functions as you can > performance? Python? Seriously, though. The principle of expressive encapsulation is one of the basic cornerstones of writing computer programs. Performance barely ever becomes a question, and even more rarely has anything to d

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no about wrapping everything in functions Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, 15:55 Joel Goldstick, wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer > wrote: > > performance? > > You are asking basic file layout questions in the learn

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On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: > performance? You are asking basic file layout questions in the learning process of understand how to code in python. Performance should be very low on your list of concerns. The only thing that happens when the file is loaded is

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performance? Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ * Create as many functions as you can -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On 05/07/2018 11:22, Rhodri James wrote: On 05/07/18 09:43, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: just when to use main() in if __name__ == '__main__' : main() is far is it good in py? or should file intended to be run just not include it? It's a matter of taste.  If your "file intended to b

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Rhodri James : > I'm not a big fan of "main()" functions myself; creating a function > which will be called exactly once seems rather wasteful. A function is the encapsulation of a distinct ... well ... function. Functions that are called just once are desirable. So I'm saying the opposite: * H

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Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer : > just when to use main() in > > if __name__ == '__main__' : > main() > > is far is it good in py? > > or should file intended to be run just not include it? I think all Python programs should have it. Marko -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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i once saw a python course (by academics) advertising main() in it's promotional flier that's put me in doubt as whether it's that recommended or not Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ > main() > > > > is far is it good in py? > > > > or should file intended to be ru

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On 05/07/18 09:43, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: just when to use main() in if __name__ == '__main__' : main() is far is it good in py? or should file intended to be run just not include it? It's a matter of taste. If your "file intended to be run" also contains things that might be

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just when to use main() in if __name__ == '__main__' : main() is far is it good in py? or should file intended to be run just not include it? Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer https://github.com/Abdur-rahmaanJ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Oct 27, 2017 5:38 PM, "Ian Kelly" wrote: In addition to what others have answered, if the code in question has any variables then I'll prefer to put it inside a function and call the function. This ensures that the variables are local and not going. It's a minor code hygiene point, but a good

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In addition to what others have answered, if the code in question has any variables then I'll prefer to put it inside a function and call the function. This ensures that the variables are local and not going. It's a minor code hygiene point, but a good practice in my opinion. -- https://mail.pytho

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On 10/27/17 2:05 PM, ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN wrote: While teaching my introductory course in Python, I occasionally see submissions containing the following two program lines, even before I teach about functions and modules: if __name__ = '__main__': ... main() When I ask about it, I hear thin

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On 2017-10-27, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:05 AM, ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN wrote: >> While teaching my introductory course in Python, I occasionally see >> submissions containing the following two program lines,[...] >> if __name__ = '__main__': >> ... main() > If it's JUS

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On 27/10/17 20:05, ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN wrote: > While teaching my introductory course in Python, I occasionally see > submissions containing the following two program lines, even before > I teach about functions and modules: > > if __name__ = '__main__': > ... main() > > When I ask about it,

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On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:23 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:05 AM, ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN wrote: >> While teaching my introductory course in Python, I occasionally see >> submissions containing the following two program lines, even before >> I teach about functions and mod

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On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 5:05 AM, ROGER GRAYDON CHRISTMAN wrote: > While teaching my introductory course in Python, I occasionally see > submissions containing the following two program lines, even before > I teach about functions and modules: > > if __name__ = '__main__': > ... main() > > When I

Just a quick question about main()

While teaching my introductory course in Python, I occasionally see submissions containing the following two program lines, even before I teach about functions and modules: if __name__ = '__main__': ... main() When I ask about it, I hear things like they got these from other instructors, or from