Paul Boddie a écrit :
> Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>
>>To make a long story short, my opinion is that the only sensible thing
>>to do with Windows is to wipe it out and install an OS instead.
>
>
> If you're convinced you won't be running Windows, why deal with the
> problem so late in the game?
Cliff Wells wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 22:25 -0700, Luis M. González wrote:
> > IMHO the best way of using mod_python is with its publisher handler.
> > It let's you code your applications in a MVC (model view controller)
> > style.
>
> While I agree (or at least consider the point moot) that t
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 09:49 +0200, Sybren Stuvel wrote:
> Cliff Wells enlightened us with:
> > 1) PostgreSQL fans are perhaps a bit paranoid about claims of MySQL
> > being better. There used to be a tiny bit of truth in this claim
> > for certain applications (mostly relating to performance and e
On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 15:51 +0200, paul kölle wrote:
> Cliff Wells wrote:
>
> > For myself, I handle user-installation of TurboGears pretty much like I
> > do all user-installed Python packages: using setuptools. Any user who
> > uses easy_install or 'python setup.py install' gets their packages
Cliff Wells wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 23:13 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> > Another one is that it seems (here I go again :) that there is something
> > like a marriage between Python and PostgreSQL (or in other words, that
> > Python fans that develop web apps have a tendency to favor Postg
Cliff Wells wrote:
> For myself, I handle user-installation of TurboGears pretty much like I
> do all user-installed Python packages: using setuptools. Any user who
> uses easy_install or 'python setup.py install' gets their packages
> automatically installed into a subdirectory of their home dir
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 23:13 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> Thanks, that's one of the conclusions to which I also came. That final
> question was missing, even though I felt it was implied. I really had no
> clue that this is such a touchy subject.
Every opinion in technology seems to be touchy
On 2006-08-02 22:17:38, Cliff Wells wrote:
> On the other hand, had I appended "So I'd like some other opinions
> because I don't know." to the end, it would probably cut the irritation
> down considerably (or at least be in a much more defensible position if
> it didn't).
Thanks, that's one of t
On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 10:46 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> On 2006-08-02 00:51:28, Conrad wrote:
>
> > Which begins "A few years ago"
>
> Exactly. Isn't this a good start for honesty? It doesn't claim to state
> anything up to date.
>
> It continues "I did some research", "some" being a very c
Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>
> To make a long story short, my opinion is that the only sensible thing
> to do with Windows is to wipe it out and install an OS instead.
If you're convinced you won't be running Windows, why deal with the
problem so late in the game? Instead, order a system from a ve
Luis M. González a écrit :
(snip).
> I guess that the reason for not having used a framework already is
> laziness...
Strange enough, laziness is my first reason for using frameworks ;-)
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Conrad a écrit :
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:14:03 +0200, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>
>
>>northband wrote:
>>
>>>Hi, I am interested in re-writing my website in Python vs PHP but have a
>>>few questions. Here are my specs, please advise as to which
>>>configuration would be best:
>>>
>>>1.Dell Powe
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 23:26 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> Or is there something in PostgreSQL that makes its users acidic? :)
Well, ACID is popular in PostgreSQL circles.
Cliff
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ther you somehow got it all completely wrong, or
> you responded to the wrong message.
>
> Or is there something in PostgreSQL that makes its users acidic? :)
>
> Gerhard
Well, maybe so -
I followed up to this message:
Subject: Re: Using Python for my web site
From: Ge
On 2006-08-01 21:04:07, Conrad wrote:
>> A few years ago I did some research, and the result was that while
>> PostgreSQL was claimed to have more features and a better design, the
>> reports of database corruption seemed to have been more frequent than with
>> MySQL.
> I can't claim to have don
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 17:12:56 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> On 2006-07-31 15:00:15, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>
>> In fact, the real question IMHO is: what would MySQL advantage over
>> PostgreSQL be ?-)
>
> A few years ago I did some research, and the result was that while
> PostgreSQL was cl
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 19:14:03 +0200, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> northband wrote:
>> Hi, I am interested in re-writing my website in Python vs PHP but have a
>> few questions. Here are my specs, please advise as to which
>> configuration would be best:
>>
>> 1.Dell Poweredge Server, w/IIS, curren
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
northband <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just spoke with my department and looks like we still want to go with a
>server scripting method. Although MVC may be better fit, for the sake
>of the learning curve, we want to use a PSP style method.
.
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 06:38 -0700, Luis M. González wrote:
> Well... yes, you're right.
> I guess that the reason for not having used a framework already is
> laziness...
Trust me, I'm quite familiar with the laziness problem =)
> I have experience with Karrigell, which rocks too, but it lacks s
On Tue, 2006-08-01 at 10:41 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> On 2006-08-01 04:11:18, Cliff Wells wrote:
>
> > You say that you haven't tried Django or any other Python framework.
> > Perhaps you should. You seem to have at least the start of the right
> > idea about web application organization, s
On 2006-08-01 04:11:18, Cliff Wells wrote:
> You say that you haven't tried Django or any other Python framework.
> Perhaps you should. You seem to have at least the start of the right
> idea about web application organization, so I think you'd be pleasantly
> surprised with what you'll find alre
Cliff Wells wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 22:25 -0700, Luis M. González wrote:
> > I don't have experience with Django or any other python framework, but
> > I have used bare-bones mod_python and it rocks.
> > I wouldn't use PSP though...
> > It is not very polished, and they way it handles the "
Awesome response, thanks. I am definitely interested in the MVC and am
looking into it now.
Yes, we are migrating to Python mainly because we want unicode support,
more stability, and faster performance than what we are getting now.
We were going to move to php but seem python is the better choic
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> northband wrote:
> >
[Specifications]
> > I am trying to have the fastest page loads, averaging 100 items per
> > result page. I have read about using Apache's mod_python so I could
> > use PSP. Any help or tips are appreciated.
>
> So if I'm reading this correctly: y
northband wrote:
> Hi, I am interested in re-writing my website in Python vs PHP but have
> a few questions. Here are my specs, please advise as to which
> configuration would be best:
>
> 1.Dell Poweredge Server, w/IIS, currently Windows but considering
> FreeBSD
> 2. Site consists of result page
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 22:25 -0700, Luis M. González wrote:
> I don't have experience with Django or any other python framework, but
> I have used bare-bones mod_python and it rocks.
> I wouldn't use PSP though...
> It is not very polished, and they way it handles the "indentation
> problem" in pyth
I don't have experience with Django or any other python framework, but
I have used bare-bones mod_python and it rocks.
I wouldn't use PSP though...
It is not very polished, and they way it handles the "indentation
problem" in python is a little bit confussing.
IMHO the best way of using mod_python
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 21:57 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> On 2006-07-31 18:23:17, Cliff Wells wrote:
>
> > My point is to stop FUD right at that comment. I don't doubt your
> > research from "a few years ago", but ancient research is entirely
> > irrelevant for making a decision *today*.
>
> T
On 2006-07-31 18:23:17, Cliff Wells wrote:
> My point is to stop FUD right at that comment. I don't doubt your
> research from "a few years ago", but ancient research is entirely
> irrelevant for making a decision *today*.
That's exactly the reason why I added this information. It might not be f
northband a écrit :
> Just spoke with my department and looks like we still want to go with a
> server scripting method. Although MVC may be better fit, for the sake
> of the learning curve, we want to use a PSP style method.
I really don't think the learning curve will be a problem. We learned
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 15:06 -0700, northband wrote:
> Makes sense, I will follow your advice. Sounds like more time invest
> upfront will equal time saved over the long run. I am defitely
> interested in proxy caching and load balancing. Which do you
> recommend? I have used #Pound while workin
northband a écrit :
> So seems the best approach would be a MVC model rather than server
> scripting?
This is still "server-scripting" - at least since on the server-side and
is done with something frequently labelled as a "script language" !-)
> Currently our site is built with a closed sourc
northband schrieb:
> So seems the best approach would be a MVC model rather than server
> scripting? Currently our site is built with a closed source hypertext
> preprocessor much like PHP. So it would be easier for us to script
> another site, but if we would gain performance via a MVC model, th
Gerhard Fiedler a écrit :
> On 2006-07-31 15:00:15, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>
>
>>In fact, the real question IMHO is: what would MySQL advantage over
>>PostgreSQL be ?-)
>
>
> A few years ago I did some research, and the result was that while
> PostgreSQL was claimed to have more features a
Makes sense, I will follow your advice. Sounds like more time invest
upfront will equal time saved over the long run. I am defitely
interested in proxy caching and load balancing. Which do you
recommend? I have used #Pound while working for a university.
-Adam
Cliff Wells wrote:
> On Mon, 20
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 14:40 -0700, northband wrote:
> Just spoke with my department and looks like we still want to go with a
> server scripting method. Although MVC may be better fit, for the sake
> of the learning curve, we want to use a PSP style method.
I'm with the others who suggest using a
Just spoke with my department and looks like we still want to go with a
server scripting method. Although MVC may be better fit, for the sake
of the learning curve, we want to use a PSP style method.
So as of now we are looking at using FreeBSD, MySQL, and some form of
Python that will allow us t
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:58 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> On 2006-07-31 17:28:00, Cliff Wells wrote:
>
> >> I assume you don't agree... :)
> >
> > I certainly don't. [...]
>
> > Also, saying "a few years ago I did some research" in software terms is
> > pretty much equivalent to saying "I don
So seems the best approach would be a MVC model rather than server
scripting? Currently our site is built with a closed source hypertext
preprocessor much like PHP. So it would be easier for us to script
another site, but if we would gain performance via a MVC model, then
that's what we need.
I
On 2006-07-31 17:28:00, Cliff Wells wrote:
>> I assume you don't agree... :)
>
> I certainly don't. [...]
> Also, saying "a few years ago I did some research" in software terms is
> pretty much equivalent to saying "I don't know".
Exactly. So what's your point with this comment?
I stated what
On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 17:12 -0300, Gerhard Fiedler wrote:
> On 2006-07-31 15:00:15, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
>
> > In fact, the real question IMHO is: what would MySQL advantage over
> > PostgreSQL be ?-)
>
> A few years ago I did some research, and the result was that while
> PostgreSQL was c
On 2006-07-31 15:00:15, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote:
> In fact, the real question IMHO is: what would MySQL advantage over
> PostgreSQL be ?-)
A few years ago I did some research, and the result was that while
PostgreSQL was claimed to have more features and a better design, the
reports of databas
northband wrote:
> Thanks for the info. Reason why we are interested in PSP is because we
> think our developers would be able to quickly adapt to the migration,
> they are familiar with php and asp.
Yes, I guessed it had do to with something like this. OTOH, the
ServerPage model can quickly lead
Thanks for the info. Reason why we are interested in PSP is because we
think our developers would be able to quickly adapt to the migration,
they are familiar with php and asp.
I agree on the windows webserver, we are looking into using FreeBSD
instead.
What would postgre's advantage over MySQL
northband wrote:
> Hi, I am interested in re-writing my website in Python vs PHP but have
> a few questions. Here are my specs, please advise as to which
> configuration would be best:
>
> 1.Dell Poweredge Server, w/IIS, currently Windows but considering
> FreeBSD
I may be a bit biased, but I wou
Thanks I will look into it.
-Adam
Norman Khine wrote:
> northband wrote:
> > Hi, I am interested in re-writing my website in Python vs PHP but have
> > a few questions. Here are my specs, please advise as to which
> > configuration would be best:
> >
> > 1.Dell Poweredge Server, w/IIS, currentl
northband wrote:
> Hi, I am interested in re-writing my website in Python vs PHP but have
> a few questions. Here are my specs, please advise as to which
> configuration would be best:
>
> 1.Dell Poweredge Server, w/IIS, currently Windows but considering
> FreeBSD
> 2. Site consists of result pages
Hi, I am interested in re-writing my website in Python vs PHP but have
a few questions. Here are my specs, please advise as to which
configuration would be best:
1.Dell Poweredge Server, w/IIS, currently Windows but considering
FreeBSD
2. Site consists of result pages for auctions and items for sa
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