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On Monday 06 October 2008 00:01:50 Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > Not listed as one > . Look further http://directory.fsf.org/project/gnuplot/ -- José Abílio -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:42 AM, cm_gui wrote: > i am referring mainly to Python for web applications. > > Python is slow. Please just go away. You are making an embarrassment of yourself. --JamesMills -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Dec 22, 3:42 pm, cm_gui wrote: > Python is slow. Haven't you said that already? Well, you did it so many times that you convinced me... I'll tell the Google folks that they are a bunch of ignorant fools for choosing python. That's why their business is doing that bad. They will surely go to h

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On Dec 22, 6:51 am, Lou Pecora wrote: > In article , >  "James Mills" wrote: > > > In case anyone is not aware, Python is > > also used for heavy scientific computational > > problems, games such as Civilisation and > > others, and I believe (correct me if I"m wrong) > > it's also used by NASA. >

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In article , "James Mills" wrote: > In case anyone is not aware, Python is > also used for heavy scientific computational > problems, games such as Civilisation and > others, and I believe (correct me if I"m wrong) > it's also used by NASA. > > --JamesMills Python has become very popular in sc

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On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:47 AM, r wrote: > Could not have said it better myself Luis, i stay as far away from C > as i can. But there are usage cases for it. If you can think of 1 typical common case I'll reward you with praise! :) By the way, by common and typical I mean use-cases that you'd t

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Could not have said it better myself Luis, i stay as far away from C as i can. But there are usage cases for it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Dec 21, 2:34 pm, r wrote: > RTFM, use as much python code and optimize with C where needed, > problem solved! That's true if your *really* need C's extra speed. Most of the times, a better algorithm or psyco (or shedskin) can help without having to use any other language. This is unless you ar

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RTFM, use as much python code and optimize with C where needed, problem solved! -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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With my current experience with java, python and perl, I can only suggest one thing to who ever feels that python or any language is slow. By the way there is only one language with is fastest and that is assembly. And with regards to python, I am writing pritty heavy duty applications right now. J

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Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:18:40 -0800, cm_gui wrote: Seriously cm_gui, you're a fool. Python is not slow. haha, getting hostile? python fans sure are a nasty crowd. Python is SLOW. when i have the time, i will elaborate on this. You are not fast enough to elabo

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 14:18:40 -0800, cm_gui wrote: >> Seriously cm_gui, you're a fool. >> Python is not slow. > > haha, getting hostile? > python fans sure are a nasty crowd. > > Python is SLOW. > > when i have the time, i will elaborate on this. You are not fast enough to elaborate on Python's

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cm_gui wrote: >> Seriously cm_gui, you're a fool. >> Python is not slow. >> >> --JamesMills > > haha, getting hostile? > python fans sure are a nasty crowd. > > Python is SLOW. > Two lies in one posting! > when i have the time, i will elaborate on this. > Save your time, go somewhere else. Nob

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> Seriously cm_gui, you're a fool. > Python is not slow. > > --JamesMills haha, getting hostile? python fans sure are a nasty crowd. Python is SLOW. when i have the time, i will elaborate on this. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Dec 10, 1:42 pm, cm_gui wrote: > http://blog.kowalczyk.info/blog/2008/07/05/why-google-should-sponsor-... > > I fully agree with Krzysztof Kowalczyk . > Can't they build a faster VM for Python since they love the language > so much? > > Python is SLOW.    And I am not comparing it with compiled

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On Dec 16, 5:47 pm, "James Mills" wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:08 AM, r wrote: > > What about all the crap you had to go through just to get output? > > Python wins > > Yes I can't say I really enjoy writing C (at all!) > _except_ in the case where I may need to > optimise some heavy comput

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On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:08 AM, r wrote: > What about all the crap you had to go through just to get output? > Python wins Yes I can't say I really enjoy writing C (at all!) _except_ in the case where I may need to optimise some heavy computation. But then again with multi-core CPUs these days a

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What about all the crap you had to go through just to get output? Python wins PS. cm_gui try this piece of code >>> print 'hello world'.replace('world', 'idiot') -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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r wrote: On Dec 15, 7:15 am, Luis M. González wrote: On Dec 15, 1:38 am, cm_gui wrote: hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to make youtube.com fast??? By the way... I know of a very slow Python site called YouTube.com. In fact, it is so slow that

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n Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 AM, r wrote: >> What kind of performance problem have you find in python that makes >> you so unhappy? >> What are you going to do with all the extra speed provided by c++ (a >> Hello World! ?)... > > Still no reply from cm_gui, he must have googled "C hello world" :D

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On Dec 15, 7:15 am, Luis M. González wrote: > On Dec 15, 1:38 am, cm_gui wrote: > > > hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to > > make > > youtube.com fast??? > > > > By the way... I know of a very slow Python site called YouTube.com. In > > > fact, it is so slow that

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On Dec 14, 6:38 pm, cm_gui wrote: > hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to > make > youtube.com fast??? > > > By the way... I know of a very slow Python site called YouTube.com. In > > fact, it is so slow that nobody ever uses it. less than they'd spend to implement i

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, bearophileh...@lycos.com wrote: > In the next years people that use low-level languages like C may need > to invent a new language fitter for multi-core CPUs, able to be used > on GPUs too (see the OpenCL), less error-prone than C, able to use the > CPU vector instructions eff

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On Dec 15, 8:15 am, Luis M. González wrote: > On Dec 15, 1:38 am, cm_gui wrote: > > > hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to > > make > > youtube.com fast??? > > > > By the way... I know of a very slow Python site called YouTube.com. In > > > fact, it is so slow that

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On Dec 15, 1:38 am, cm_gui wrote: > hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to > make > youtube.com fast??? > > > By the way... I know of a very slow Python site called YouTube.com. In > > fact, it is so slow that nobody ever uses it. > > Buddy, just stop whining and go w

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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Andreas Kostyrka wrote: > So to summarize, Python is fast enough for even demanding stuff, and > when done correctly even number crunching or binary parsing huge files > or possible in competitive speeds. But you sometime need a developer > that can wield the tool

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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:38:58 -0800, cm_gui wrote: >> By the way... I know of a very slow Python site called YouTube.com. In >> fact, it is so slow that nobody ever uses it. > > hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to make > youtube.com fast??? Oooh, I know! ONE MILLIO

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Am Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:38:58 -0800 (PST) schrieb cm_gui : > > hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to > make > youtube.com fast??? yeah, as they do for basically all big sites, no matter what language is used for implementation. Next is the fact that it's rather simp

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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:59 PM, James Mills wrote: > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Benjamin Kaplan > wrote: >> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, cm_gui wrote: >>> >>> hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to >>> make >>> youtube.com fast??? >> >> Obviously not enou

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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: > On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, cm_gui wrote: >> >> hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to >> make >> youtube.com fast??? > > Obviously not enough to get to the point where it's cheaper to have the > programm

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On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, cm_gui wrote: > > hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to > make > youtube.com fast??? Obviously not enough to get to the point where it's cheaper to have the programmers write C code. And the hardware is more for handling the intens

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hahaha, do you know how much money they are spending on hardware to make youtube.com fast??? > By the way... I know of a very slow Python site called YouTube.com. In > fact, it is so slow that nobody ever uses it. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:35 PM, sturlamolden wrote: > On 10 Des, 19:42, cm_gui wrote: > > > And it is not just this Python site that is slow. There are many many > > Python sites which are very slow. And please don't say that it could > > be the web hosting or the server which is slow — because

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On 10 Des, 19:42, cm_gui wrote: > And it is not just this Python site that is slow. There are many many > Python sites which are very slow. And please don’t say that it could > be the web hosting or the server which is slow — because when so many > Python sites are slower than PHP sites, it could

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On Dec 12, 11:41 am, Bruno Desthuilliers wrote: > sturlamolden a écrit : > (snip) > > > Creating a fast implementation of a dynamic language is almost rocket > > science. But it has been done. There is Stronghold, the fastest > > version of Smalltalk known to man, on which the Sun Java VM is based

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On Dec 12, 6:58 am, bearophileh...@lycos.com wrote: > sturlamolden: > > > On a recent benchmark Java 6 -server beats C compiled by GCC 4.2.3 And > > most of that magic comes from an implementation of a dynamically typed > > language (Smalltalk). [...] > >http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/bench

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sturlamolden a écrit : (snip) Creating a fast implementation of a dynamic language is almost rocket science. But it has been done. There is Stronghold, the fastest version of Smalltalk known to man, on which the Sun Java VM is based. On a recent benchmark Java 6 -server beats C compiled by GCC 4

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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 06:17:43AM -0800, sturlamolden wrote: > None of those projects addresses inefficacies in the CPython > interpreter, except for psyco - which died of an overdose PyPy. Bullshit. All that discussion about performance forgets that performance is a function of the whole system

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On Dec 12, 11:17 am, sturlamolden wrote: > On Dec 12, 3:04 pm, Luis M. González wrote: > > > Why don't you guys google a little bit to know what's being done to > > address python's "slowness"?? > > Nothing is being done, and woth Py3k it got even worse. > > > It has been mentioned in this thread

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sturlamolden schrieb: > On Dec 12, 3:04 pm, Luis M. González wrote: > >> Why don't you guys google a little bit to know what's being done to >> address python's "slowness"?? > > Nothing is being done, and woth Py3k it got even worse. Indeed, it *is* slower for now. As I already said in another

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sturlamolden wrote: > How is the numpy support in Cython going? It was supposed to know > about ndarrays natively. It does. > I.e. not treat them as Python objects, but > rather as known C structs. That way an operation like arr[n] would not > result in a callback to Python, but translate direct

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sturlamolden wrote: On Dec 12, 3:04 pm, Luis M. González wrote: Why don't you guys google a little bit to know what's being done to address python's "slowness"?? Nothing is being done, and woth Py3k it got even worse. It has been mentioned in this thread the pypy project (isn't it enough f

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sturlamolden: > On a recent benchmark Java 6 -server beats C compiled by GCC 4.2.3 And > most of that magic comes from an implementation of a dynamically typed > language (Smalltalk). [...] > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32q/benchmark.php?test=all〈=all That is indeed a nice result, JavaVM ha

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On Dec 12, 3:43 pm, Stefan Behnel wrote: > http://cython.org/ How is the numpy support in Cython going? It was supposed to know about ndarrays natively. I.e. not treat them as Python objects, but rather as known C structs. That way an operation like arr[n] would not result in a callback to Pytho

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David Cournapeau wrote: > I want faster function > calls to use with numpy: do you know of any solution ? http://cython.org/ Stefan -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Dec 12, 3:27 pm, "David Cournapeau" wrote: > I want faster function > calls to use with numpy: do you know of any solution ? Pypy certainly > isn't, at least today. An interesting thing for numpy would be to use CUDA. If we can move floating point ops to the GPU, a common desktop computer cou

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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Luis M. González wrote: > It has been mentioned in this thread the pypy project (isn't it enough > for you??) Since pypy can't be used today for most production use (most python packages can't work on it), I don't see how it could be enough for anyone interested

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On Dec 12, 3:04 pm, Luis M. González wrote: > Why don't you guys google a little bit to know what's being done to > address python's "slowness"?? Nothing is being done, and woth Py3k it got even worse. > It has been mentioned in this thread the pypy project (isn't it enough > for you??) > Othe

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On Dec 12, 10:43 am, sturlamolden wrote: > On Dec 12, 2:29 pm, sturlamolden wrote: > > > Creating a fast implementation of a dynamic language is almost rocket > > science. But it has been done. There is Stronghold, > > I meant of course Strongtalk... Blah, blah, blah... Why don't you guys google

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On Dec 12, 2:29 pm, sturlamolden wrote: > Creating a fast implementation of a dynamic language is almost rocket > science. But it has been done. There is Stronghold, I meant of course Strongtalk... -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Dec 11, 4:25 am, Carl Banks wrote: > cm_gui is TROLL. And I am not compring it with bots like Aaron > Castironpi Brody. cm_gui is even troller than Xah Lee! Sure he is a troll, but he also have a point. Python is slower than it needs to be. Creating a fast implementation of a dynamic langu

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Giampaolo Rodola' wrote: The real (and still unsolved) problem with PyPy is the installation which requires something like a dozen of third-party packages to be installed. Unfortunately it seems there are no plans yet for releasing any Windows/Linux/Mac installer in the near future. I'm not us

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On 11 Dic, 13:06, Luis M. González wrote: > On Dec 10, 3:42 pm, cm_gui wrote: > > > > > > >http://blog.kowalczyk.info/blog/2008/07/05/why-google-should-sponsor-... > > > I fully agree with Krzysztof Kowalczyk . > > Can't they build a faster VM for Python since they love the language > > so much?

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On Dec 11, 7:06 am, Luis M. González <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 10, 3:42 pm, cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >http://blog.kowalczyk.info/blog/2008/07/05/why-google-should-sponsor-... > > > I fully agree with Krzysztof Kowalczyk . > > Can't they build a faster VM for Python since

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On Dec 10, 3:42 pm, cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://blog.kowalczyk.info/blog/2008/07/05/why-google-should-sponsor-... > > I fully agree with Krzysztof Kowalczyk . > Can't they build a faster VM for Python since they love the language > so much? > > Python is SLOW.    And I am not compari

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Does anybody else think it's really funny when people argue over which language used for _web apps_ is fastest? I mean, I'm not aware of any language that's slow enough to make it noticeable compared to say, network latency or database access. I guess you might notice if you're not caching any cont

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Benjamin Kaplan wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Carl Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: On Dec 10, 12:42 pm, cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Python is SLOW.And I am not comparing it with compiled languages

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On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Carl Banks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Dec 10, 12:42 pm, cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Python is SLOW.And I am not comparing it with compiled languages > > like C. > > Python is even slower than PHP! > > > cm_gui is TROLL. And I am not compring it

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On Dec 10, 12:42 pm, cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python is SLOW.    And I am not comparing it with compiled languages > like C. > Python is even slower than PHP! cm_gui is TROLL. And I am not compring it with bots like Aaron Castironpi Brody. cm_gui is even troller than Xah Lee! Carl

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@em_gui: You are outrightly wrong. Why ? Python's VM is not slow! In fact it's quite fast. What does tend to be slow is sloppy poorly designed code. Django/Turbogears (sorry for any devs reading this) are large frameworks with a lot of complexity - and yes they tend to be a little cumbersome and s

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cm_gui wrote: You guys are living in denial. Python is SLOW, especially for web apps. Instead of getting mad, why don't get together and come up with a faster VM/interpreter? The emperor doesn't like to be told he is not wearing any clothes? O The one in denial is the one without any eviden

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You guys are living in denial. Python is SLOW, especially for web apps. Instead of getting mad, why don't get together and come up with a faster VM/interpreter? The emperor doesn't like to be told he is not wearing any clothes? On 10 Dec, 14:48, Luis M. González <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You

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You are WRONG, WRONG, WRONG!! And when I say Wrong, I mean WRONG!!! And I am not saying that you are confussed. I say that you are WRONG! And when someone says so many times that you are wrong, it is because you are WRONG! And don't say that you are not wrong, because you are wrong! You are Wron

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cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [stuff] > Python is slow. Very slow. The same troll started this same flame earlier this year: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/5cea684680f63c82?q= -- Arnaud -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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cm_gui a écrit : (snip FUD) see also: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_frm/thread/5cea684680f63c82 by the same troll^M^M^M^M^Msmart guy. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 21:04:12 +0100 Stef Mientki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > cm_gui wrote: > > [...] > Put this guy in the junk filter, What's the point if people like you are just going to repost his entire message like that? -- D'Arcy J.M. Cain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Democracy is thr

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cm_gui wrote: http://blog.kowalczyk.info/blog/2008/07/05/why-google-should-sponsor-a-faster-python-vm.html I fully agree with Krzysztof Kowalczyk . Can't they build a faster VM for Python since they love the language so much? Python is SLOW.And I am not comparing it with compiled languages

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On Dec 10, 1:42 pm, cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://blog.kowalczyk.info/blog/2008/07/05/why-google-should-sponsor-... > > I fully agree with Krzysztof Kowalczyk . > Can't they build a faster VM for Python since they love the language > so much? WTF is Krzysztof Kowalczyk and why should

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Tim Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [nibbling a little flame-bait] > >> Python is even slower than PHP! >> >> Just go to any Python website and you will know. >> An example is: >> http://www2.ljworld.com/ > > I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing -- the dynamic page > loaded in under 2

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On Dec 10, 10:42 am, cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://blog.kowalczyk.info/blog/2008/07/05/why-google-should-sponsor-... > > I fully agree with Krzysztof Kowalczyk . > Can't they build a faster VM for Python since they love the language > so much? > > Python is SLOW.    And I am not compar

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* cm_gui (Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:42:40 -0800 (PST))> > Python is SLOW.And I am not comparing it with compiled languages > like C. > Python is even slower than PHP! Sure. But Perl is faster than Ruby (exactly 2.53 times as fast). And Python is 1.525 times faster than VisualBasic (or was it the o

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[nibbling a little flame-bait] Python is even slower than PHP! Just go to any Python website and you will know. An example is: http://www2.ljworld.com/ I'm not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing -- the dynamic page loaded in under 2 seconds -- about on par with sun.com, python.org, php.net

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On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Paul McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 10, 12:42 pm, cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Python is slow. Very slow. > > And... ? Was there a question or specific suggestion in there > somewhere? > > Do you go to your mechanic and say "My car wont go a

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On Dec 10, 12:42 pm, cm_gui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Python is slow. Very slow. And... ? Was there a question or specific suggestion in there somewhere? Do you go to your mechanic and say "My car wont go as fast as the other cars on the road! They should make it faster!"? Good luck to you

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Finney wrote: > Note that I consider a work free even if it fails to grant “the right > to distribute misrepresentations of the author's words”, because that > act is an exercise of undue power over another person, and so falls > outside the limit imposed by the

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, José Matos wrote: > The gnuplot license is a free software according to FSF ... Not listed as one . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Terry Reedy wrote: > greg wrote: > >> Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> >>> We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think irrational >> >> I think it's irrational for another reason, too -- it's >> actually vacuous. There's nothing to prevent you creating >> a

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greg wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think irrational I think it's irrational for another reason, too -- it's actually vacuous. There's nothing to prevent you creating a set of patches that simply say "Delete all of the original source and repl

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Steven D'Aprano wrote: We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think irrational I think it's irrational for another reason, too -- it's actually vacuous. There's nothing to prevent you creating a set of patches that simply say "Delete all of the original source and replace it with t

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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:06:08 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > > Note that I consider a work free even if it fails to grant “the > > right to distribute misrepresentations of the author's words”, > > because that act is an exercise of undue power over anot

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On Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:06:08 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Terry Reedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> > We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think irrational >> > (although I'd be interested in hearing the gnuplot developers' >> > reasoning before making a f

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Terry Reedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think > > irrational (although I'd be interested in hearing the gnuplot > > developers' reasoning before making a final judgment). > > I believe it is a matter of preserving cla

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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I simply don't think that having to run some variation on > > patch -i patchfile.patch > > is a requirement so onerous that it makes the gnuplot licence > non-free. Perhaps I'm just more tolerant of eccentricities than you > :) The distinction here

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Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:19:57 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: I do, because a natural, beneficial act (modify the work and redistribute it) that has no technical reason to restrict, is artifically restricted. We agree that the restriction is artificial, and I think irrational

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On Tuesday 30 September 2008 16:04:35 George Sakkis wrote: > What you're missing is that for Free Software (TM) zealots it's a > matter of philosophical principle, totally unrelated to how easy is to > overcome the restriction. There is not a "practicality beats purity" > clause in the FSF Bible.

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On Sep 30, 9:43 am, Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED] cybersource.com.au> wrote: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:19:57 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:04:41 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > >> > You're not free to modify gnuplot and redist

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:19:57 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:04:41 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: >> > You're not free to modify gnuplot and redistribute the result. >> > >> > That you're free to distribute patches is nice, but it's no

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On 30 Sep, 14:19, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is where the useful "your freedom to swing your fist ends at the > tip of the other man's nose" applies: As soon as the act you wish to > perform is restricting the freedom of another, you're not > contemplating an act of freedom, but

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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:04:41 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > > You're not free to modify gnuplot and redistribute the result. > > > > That you're free to distribute patches is nice, but it's not > > enough to make the work free. The freedom to help people

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:04:41 +1000, Ben Finney wrote: > Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:50:26 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >> > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, r0g wrote: >> > >> >> You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as patche

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Steven D'Aprano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:50:26 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, r0g wrote: > > > >> You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as > >> patches, but you can distribute it freely ... […] > Where's the

Re: Python is slow?

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:50:26 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, r0g wrote: > >> You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as patches, but >> you can distribute it freely ... > > This must be some new definition of "freely" of which I'm unaware. You

Re: Python is slow?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, r0g wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, r0g wrote: >> >>> You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as >>> patches, but you can distribute it freely ... >> >> This must be some new definition of "freely" of which

Re: Python is slow?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, r0g wrote: > >> You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as >> patches, but you can distribute it freely ... > > This must be some new definition of "freely" of which I'm unaware. As in beer. -- http://mail.python.org/ma

Re: Python is slow?

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, r0g wrote: > You can only distribute modifications to gnuplot itself as > patches, but you can distribute it freely ... This must be some new definition of "freely" of which I'm unaware. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python is slow?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro: >>> Gnuplot is non-Free software. > > Fly Away: >> Yes, it is. > > From: > http://www.gnuplot.info/faq/faq.txt > > 1.7 Does gnuplot have anything to do with the FSF and the GNU project? >[...] >Gnuplot is freeware in the sense that you don'

Re: Python is slow?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro: >>> Gnuplot is non-Free software. > > Fly Away: >> Yes, it is. > > From: > http://www.gnuplot.info/faq/faq.txt > > 1.7 Does gnuplot have anything to do with the FSF and the GNU project? >[...] >Gnuplot is freeware in the sense that you don'

Re: Python is slow?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro: >> Gnuplot is non-Free software. Fly Away: > Yes, it is. From: http://www.gnuplot.info/faq/faq.txt 1.7 Does gnuplot have anything to do with the FSF and the GNU project? [...] Gnuplot is freeware in the sense that you don't have to pay for it. However it is not free

Re: Python is slow?

On Sep 29, 3:05 am, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED] central.gen.new_zealand> wrote: > In message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > sturlamolden wrote: > > ... and possibility of interfacing with gnuplot ... > > Gnuplot is non-Free software. Yes, it is. Victor. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/li

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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, sturlamolden wrote: > ... and possibility of interfacing with gnuplot ... Gnuplot is non-Free software. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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